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Opera 7 to be Released for Mac OS X 89

Posted by pudge from the sing-for-your-browser dept.
hoist2k writes "CNET is reporting that Opera 7 is going to be released for Mac OS X. I might have to take advantage of their discount for buying the Mac, Linux, and Windows versions all at once!" Opera 6.02 is slated for release on Thursday (the download page currently has Opera 6.0 for Mac OS and Mac OS X, though it erroneously says it is only for Mac OS). Opera 7 is expected "soon," with no word given in the CNET articles for whether it will be for Mac OS X only.
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  • Opera (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Who would pay for Opera on Mac OS X when they can use IE (free beer bundled with Mac OS X), Safari (free beer download for Apple fan boys), or Mozilla (free speech download)?

    • Re:Opera (Score:2, Insightful)

      by seinman ( 463076 )
      Because it's good software that's well worth the money. The same could be said about Windows, and yet I still paid for Opera, even though IE, Mozilla, and Netscape are all free.

      • Re:Opera (Score:4, Interesting)

        by wtmcgee ( 113309 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @11:33PM (#6012998) Homepage
        not on the mac though.... i agree opera on windows is a top notch browser - but the mac version is well behind other FREE alternatives right now.

        i'm glad to see opera developing on the mac platform - it's great to see so many competing browsers for a change - but i just don't think they have what it takes to be considered even one of the top 3 browsers on the mac right now.

        • Fools! Heed the past! (Score:5, Insightful)

          by ihatewinXP ( 638000 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @12:34AM (#6013213)
          When Safari was first released and the Opera team made some moronic pr statement about what Apple should do.... Well in all my years I have never once seen an issue so one sided, and this page will become a repeat of all thats been said - Opera, its good for windows, far behind the free on mac, a shitty port trying to penatrate a highly biased market.

          The only way this makes any sense is to conclude that they arent making a dime on the Windows side of things and are fool-crazy and desperate enough to develop and sell something we all told them to shove up their asses.

        • Re:Opera (Score:5, Interesting)

          by critter_hunter ( 568942 ) <critter_hunter@@@hotmail...com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @01:38AM (#6013323)

          I'll agree that Opera 6 for Mac sucked, and sucked hard. I downloaded it about as soon as it got out of beta, but it still felt like a beta version. It was slow and unresponsive, and it crashed a few times (in very little time, and crashed HARD). I went back to Camino (which back then was still called Chimera, I think).

          However, Opera 7 on both PC and Linux has been a HUGE improvement over O6. Hopefully these improvements will carry over to MacOSX. Afterall, they have a lot of competition on a small market with Macs (Mac users, however, seem to pay for shareware more readily than PC users). If they still want to compete, it must be because they feel they *can* compete, and they are confident that their product is better than the other parties' offerings.

          So anyway, I'd wait till I see it before I say that it's going to suck.

      • Opera is decent on Windows. It isn't my cup of tea, but I can respect that people would prefer it.

        My impression of Opera for the Mac, on the other hand, was that it was a buggy, bloated POS that couldn't render even simple web pages.

      • Good software? Boy, that's debatable! Look, I admire Opera for sticking to their guns, and really believing in their product. It is light, and quick. But Opera needs to get its act together, and offer a free browser that can better support standards...I know they're a business, but how can I, as a consumer, sit there, and reasonably pay for a browser, when so many others offer free alternatives? Having sampled all the browsers, I'm not convinced that Opera is so superior that it's worth shelling out th

    • Re:Opera (Score:5, Interesting)

      by singularity ( 2031 ) * <nowalmart.gmail@com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @12:27AM (#6013188) Homepage Journal
      The only thing missing from Camino and Safari (or any browser, for that matter) is the filtering power of iCab.

      Use iCab for a week, and use the filtering power.

      Want to always save cookies from Slashdot, refuse cookies from Doubleclick.net, and expire others at the end of the session? Done.

      Want to identify to your bank as Netscape 7.0 and all other sites as iCab 2.9? Done.

      Want to filter out images coming from a server named *.ads.*, or images that link to *.sponsor.*? Done.

      Want to allow your favorite anime site to open new windows on opening, allow a pictures site to open pictures in new windows on clicking, and refuse pop-ups from everyone else? Done.

      Yes, I realize that Mozilla can do a lot of this, but iCab provides a relatively easy to use graphical interface to all of this.

      I think the world would be a much better place if people took a look at iCab's Filter Manager.

      [I still use iCab for about 60% of my browsing, with Safari taking up the rest. iCab is just getting too slow and is not compatible with enough stuff]

      • Re:Opera (Score:2, Informative)

        by numpins ( 590723 )

        The only thing missing from Camino and Safari (or any browser, for that matter) is the filtering power of iCab.

        Cookie management?
        Identification options?
        URL Filtering?
        Privacy options?
        All with a "relatively easy to use graphical interface?"

        Have you tried OmniWeb [omnigroup.com] yet?

        OmniWeb has all these great features and more. The Omni Group is a cool company; I recommend you check out all their cool applications. You can get a one-day trial license at the store. They update OmniWeb much more frequently than the iC

        • Re:Opera (Score:5, Informative)

          by singularity ( 2031 ) * <nowalmart.gmail@com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @02:38PM (#6017208) Homepage Journal
          OmniWeb has all these great features and more.

          On your advice, I downloaded OmniWeb and gave it a try for about ten minutes. From what I can tell, OmniWeb cannot do half of what I listed in my original post.

          These comments are what I was able to find after playing around for ten minutes. I migh tbe wrong on some of these, but I was not able to figure out where to change some of these.

          Want to identify to your bank as Netscape 7.0 and all other sites as iCab 2.9? Done.

          OmniWeb only seems capable of changing the value globally. You are not able to set it on a domain by domain basis.

          Want to always save cookies from Slashdot, refuse cookies from Doubleclick.net, and expire others at the end of the session? Done.

          Am I only able to do this when the server tries to save a cookie? I would rather be able to set these up (and edit the filters) in a seperate window. OmniWeb seems to allow me to edit and delete cookies, but not work with the cookie filters themselves.

          Want to filter out images coming from a server named *.ads.*, or images that link to *.sponsor.*? Done.

          OmniWeb does seem to be able to do this. I do like iCab's ability to filter an image from the contextual menu, though. Right click "Image:Filter..." and set it up right there. OmniWeb also apparently only has default ad image sizes, where iCab will filter based on any size you want.

          In addition, OmniWeb seems to only be able to filter based on the server the image is coming from, and not the server the image is pointing at.

          Want to allow your favorite anime site to open new windows on opening, allow a pictures site to open pictures in new windows on clicking, and refuse pop-ups from everyone else? Done.

          Once again, this only seems to be a global setting, and not changable based on the site you are looking at.

          OmniWeb also does not seem to support tabs.

          In all, OmniWeb's filtering power is pretty weak compared to iCab's. I suggest you download a copy of iCab and see aht I am talking about.

          [Note to everyone else who is responding to my original post - I am not saying everyone should use iCab. It is slow, and not compatible. I mention these two problems in my original post. Instead, I was writing to suggest that other browsers would come a long way if they were to copy some of the features found in iCab.]

        • Re:Opera (Score:3, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          I'm sorry but OmniWeb cannot even come close to matching the control power that iCab provides.

          iCab is a control freak's dream. iCab is the benchmark that all others must follow when it come to features.

          I personally love it for its comprehensive contextual menu options and its compressed web archives but there is so much more in the thing.

          There is still a fair way to go but for a one man show, it's a miracle it got this far in such great shape.

          I happen to be a registered user and as such have access to t

      • Re:Opera (Score:2, Funny)

        by avendasora ( 252765 )
        iCab is just getting too slow

        Hmmm...could it be all the filtering rules it has to process just to open a URL?

      • Re:Opera (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Mikey-San ( 582838 )
        And the only thing missing from iCab is ...

        Remotely good CSS1 and CSS2 support.

        Good JavaScript implementation.

        Good interface.

        Multithreading.

        Tabs.

        iCab is a dinosaur. It hasn't had any improvements to its rather--okay, /really/ weak rendering engine in a very, very long time.

        It's a good thing I can filter all of those sites I can't render properly! Whew!
      • I suggest you download PithHelmet [versiontracker.com] for Safari. That should take care of most of your filtering woes.

  • Sure (Score:1)

    by Photar ( 5491 )
    Surely you mean Mac OS 9 old chap.

  • Opera 6.0.2 for Mac is Out (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Download it from here: ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/pub/opera/mac/602/en/Opera_6 .02_en.smi.sit [task.gda.pl]

  • Opera is the odd man out (Score:4, Insightful)

    by MalleusEBHC ( 597600 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @03:10AM (#6013582)
    I don't really want to rag on Opera as it is given for free (assuming you don't mind a small ad), but there really is no room/place for it in the Mac market. Safari, Camino, Mozilla, Omniweb... the list goes on. While the OS X browser scene was once so barren that IE was one of the best choices (thank you Omniweb for saving me from IE), I would use any of those browsers I mentioned for daily use if I needed to. (I'm basically using Safari, with a little Camino still.) Hell, even Phoenix/Firebird is coming. It renders like none other, although the dev team has violated certain unbreakable rules at this time. (COMMAND-H SHALL HIDE THY CURRENT APPLICATION!!)

    On the other hand, Opera for Mac is a piece of shit. I admit having never tried it on Linux or Windows, but I can't see how anything related to its Mac version could be considered a passable browser, let alone one worth paying for. The UI is neither intuitive or graphically pleasing. The customization in other browsers is not present. There are no tabs. It renders well most of the time, but fails miserably on some tables in my experience.

    If they were smart, they would quit whining at Apple for releasing a superior product and stick to the Linux/Windows market. Until there, I'm just happy it is their money being thrown away, not mine.

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @07:18AM (#6014118)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • Re:Opera is the odd man out (Score:5, Informative)

      by kalidasa ( 577403 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @09:43AM (#6014636) Journal

      There are actually only five other native graphical browser rendering engines for OS X in wide use, even if there are many browsers. There is the Mozilla family: Camino/Chimera, Mozilla, Phoenix/Firebird - lots of different UIs, but the same rendering engine, Gecko. Next there's IE, based on Tasman - a giant load of crap that is only better than the Windows version if you prefer eyecandy to standards (the OS X version can only handle a few text encodings, for instance). Safari, another promising browser, based on KHTML/WebCore. And there is OmniWeb (and there's talk that OmniWeb might switch to WebCore, which would bring us down to three other rendering engines). Finally, there's iCab, which is dropping behind it seems.

      The more competition there is in the browser market on all platforms, the bigger the win for standards. The further that standards pull ahead of non-standard (i.e., IE) rendering, the bigger the win for developers. The bigger the win for developers, the more time developers can spend on what really makes the net worthwhile, innovative content and presentation, and the bigger the win for consumers.

      Let a thousand browsers bloom!

    • On the other hand, Opera for Mac is a piece of shit.... The UI is neither intuitive or graphically pleasing.

      Looks fine to me in its default. You can also use custom skins and such, I hear.

      There are no tabs.

      Wrong again. I'm typing this in a tabbed window in Opera 6 for OS X right now.

      It renders well most of the time, but fails miserably on some tables in my experience.

      It renders most pages just fine. All browsers have trouble with some pages some of the time.

      Please don't make stuff up.
    • I like using the same browser on all the platforms I use (Windows, Linux, FreeBSD and Mac). I use Opera 7 on Windows and Linux because it is the one that suits how I use a browser best. I use Opera 6 on FreeBSD and Mac because that is the latest version availible for these paltforms (although I think the Linux version of Opera 7 can run in FreeBSD but I haven't tried yet). From my point of view, Opera 7 on the Mac and on FreeBSD would be useful.

      When I emailed Opera a few months back to ask if they pla

    • Ah, but right now I'm doing some J2ME development and find myself needing to test some WML pages. Opera is the only browser for OS X that supports WML (as far as I know; someone correct me if I'm wrong).

      And, of course, it never hurts to have another browser to test against.
    • I agree with you to a point. Prior to Camino nee Chimera, Opera was the best browser for OS X. IE, though serviceable, was so user hostile and complicated that it was, and still is, only good for specialized content, such as porn or company specific intranets, and it's requirement often indicates lazy or incompetent programmers. Likewise, Mozilla was so unstable as to be nearly unusable. I was very happy to have Opera, and was eagerly waiting the real OS X release so I could send them money.

      Unfortunat

  • Yay! (Score:4, Funny)

    by zangdesign ( 462534 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:44AM (#6013833) Journal
    And there was much rejoicing in the land.

    And then they ate the developers.

  • Hurrah! (Score:5, Funny)

    by dynayellow ( 106690 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @06:53AM (#6014075)
    This means Apple won't be going out of business! I know well over a kazillion individiuals who were waiting to buy a Mac, anxious to use it's unique suite of photo, movie, and DVD tools, not to mention the Apple Music Store, but when they found out that there was a fast, reliable broswer that WASN'T skinnable, they became suspicious.

    "No Opera!?" they said, "No thanks!"

    On report of this news, Smith Barney raised Apple stock to a new "Super-Buy" rating, and gave candy to everyone.

    Leave me alone. I'm on NyQuil.

  • I'll never register Opera (Score:5, Insightful)

    by truffle ( 37924 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @08:22AM (#6014279) Homepage
    I like Opera, a lot. It's my primary PC browser and my primary Linux browser. My main computer is a mac, and while safari is my primary mac browser, I still use Opera a fair bit.

    I'll never register Opera though because, even with a 35% discount for registering for multiple operating systems, I think it's just cheap for companies to charge you more than once for their software. A good example of a company that does not do this is Blizzard, who ships the Mac and PC versions of their game on the same CD.

    Obviously their are additional costs in developing for multiple platforms. But there are also three potential ways to increase revenue:
    1. more platforms means more potential users, and thus more sales
    2. multi-platform users will be thrilled to use multi-platform software, increasing the chance of a sale
    3. sell multiple copies to multi-platform users

    Number 2 and number 3 are in competition. I'm not thrilled to pay for the same software 3 times over. I'd have registered long ago if it was one payment for all 3 operating systems. Personally, I think Opera would make more money if they didn't charge for multiple OSs.
    • Agreed. I use Opera on Windows, Linux, FreeBSD and Mac, and while I would be quite prepared to pay $25 for a student license if it meant I could run it on any platform, I am not willing to pay $100 for a web browser.
    • I too like Opera a lot, and have always promoted their use. I have also registered for two windows versions (older and newer). Does that mean I don't use their Linux and Mac versions too? Of course not.

      We register software to support the companies that produce them, not because we are forced to. In the case of Opera, Rijk and the rest of the developers have created a wonderful product that deserves our recognition and our financial support. Now there are whole mythologies about licenses following user
  • Hold on a second. I'm supposed to give a crap about a browser that has a terrible UI and relatively no Mac support (fucking /Internet Explorer/ is updated more often than Opera, guys)? Opera 6 is easily the worst browser on the Mac (slow, buggy, blah rendering engine), and they had the nerve to threaten to pull out of the Mac market when Apple released Safari and wouldn't use their [Opera's] rendering engine at the core [of Safari]?

    Opera doesn't care about the Mac, so why should we use their languishing br

    • Moderators are on crack today (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I do not want to complain, but could it be the moderators are on crack today? nearly every second posting is moderated troll or flamebait. Either you guys need to get a live, read the moderation rules or just get some fresh air.

      Mmmh, meta-moderation.
    • While the parent does at a glance seem to be a troll: sweeping statements, needless vulgarity and mean spirited ranting, in this case the man is correct. Opera is a piece. When they said they were leaving the mac community in unison the community responded with raging apathy and honestly if you cant find a good browser (hell, a great browser) for the mac platform today then you probably work for the opera team.

      Well If my choices are between: Cyberdog, Netscape 4, AOL, Opera, and MSN for OSX.....I guess I
    • I don't see the above post as a troll. Opera for mac so far has been THE worst browser on the platform. Even when Netscape 6 was at its worst, Opera was still slower.

      When it comes to efficiency and leanness, the Opera versions that have been released for macs are nowhere to be seen. It's small bytewise, but doesn't have anything to show for it. Netscape 7 is faster. Mozilla is faster. IE is faster. Then move up to Firebird, Camino and Safari and they're faster still.

      It seems truly a case of needing Ghz ma

  • It ain't over... (Score:1, Offtopic)

    by blakespot ( 213991 )
    "Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

    (fat lady, singing)


    blakespot

  • Opera rules (Score:2, Informative)

    by a8f11t18 ( 614700 )
    I once tried to convert someone by this messy,
    lengthy and biased comparison of opera 7
    and firebird. Unfortunately, I failed :D, but
    still.. Opera rules, and personally I would not
    even consider using an apple before opera software
    had a good opera browser on there.. which apparantely
    they still don't? Sounds stupid, but it's true. OS X
    sounds very tempting in some ways, but no way in hell
    am i gonna even think about making a switch unless
    opera's on.. and the GOOD opera.. :)

    Just trying to make the point that for
    • Let's get this straight... The only thing holding you back from converting to MOSX is the lack of a 'good' version of Opera? Have you even used any of the MOSX browsers?

      Safari (which btw is still BETA) is probably one of the best browsers I've ever used Mac or PC.

      Camino is a close second.

      OmniWeb is a joy to use.

      IE may jump back into the game with v6, but who knows...

      And Opera? Opera just plain sucks!

      For want of a 'Opera' the kingdom was lost -- or -- Sounds like trolling to me.

    • Re:Opera rules (Score:2, Interesting)

      by cyman777 ( 631050 )
      Even though I appreciate your detailed listing of features Opera seems to offer, you never seem to have used Mozilla 1.3 or 1.4b which offers a whole bunch of features you mentioned with _real_ platform independence not to mention that it is free as in free speech (a term that has been stretched to much, I know, esp. when it comes to projects like Mozilla that are basically funded by one more or less huge company) - but still... On the long run I see more potential in Mozilla / firebird than in Opera. BT
  • There are aspects of Opera that I like, such as preserving the state of all the tabbed pages
    and restoring them when it is restarted. However, the performance is so dismal in OS X
    that I browse using Opera 6.? running in a remote X-window from my 450 MHz Linux
    box. Not quite Safari speed but better than Mozilla, IE or Omniweb speed.

    I complained to the Opera developers and I'm hoping Opera 7 for OS X will have addressed this issue.

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