Apple to Announce new Mac OS X version in June 507
swiert writes "Apple has announced that the WWDC conference has been rescheduled in order to present the new version of Mac OS X, codenamed "Panther". Unfortunately, Apple haven't given any details about what to expect from Panther, but after Jaguar this looks promising."
why (Score:5, Funny)
Re:why (Score:5, Funny)
Especially when Apple is switching to INTEL!!!! [slashdot.org]
Re:why (Score:2)
Because nobody's emailed Cmdr Taco about the error in the last 2 hours.
Re:why (Score:3, Funny)
so that it's distinctly differnt from another story somewhere [slashdot.org]. as such it's not a dupe ;)
Re:why (Score:4, Funny)
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/21
Looks like it worked, too.
Re:why (Score:3, Funny)
AMD mutates to Apple over time. Just watch
Re:why (Score:2, Funny)
(*yawn*)... so tired...
Re:why (Score:3, Informative)
XI (Score:5, Funny)
Re:XI (Score:3, Informative)
Re:XI (Score:5, Funny)
;)
WoooHoo (Score:4, Funny)
Way to go taco. Noch another one down.
Love the AMD icon BTW.
Re:WoooHoo (Score:2, Funny)
Forced Upgrade? (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder how much they'll suck us for this time.
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:5, Insightful)
Considering that a June preview indicates a fall release (remember that Jag had an early summer preview and a fall release) it will have been a year since the last paid release when this comes out. That would seem to indicate this will be a paid release assuming one paid release per year.
Not that I am saying you are wrong, it is just that I'll believe it when I see it.
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:5, Informative)
7.5 - Paid
7.6 - Paid
8.0 - Paid
8.1 - Free
8.5 - Paid
8.6 - Free
9.0 - Paid
9.1 - Free
9.2 - Free
10.0 - Paid
10.1 - Free
10.2 - Paid
It hasn't always been an exact alternating of paid and free updates, but it's been pretty close for a long time. So if you want to go by history, the next update will be free.
On the other hand, I think the really telling bit of information would be Apple's financials after the Jaguar release. If the money gained from charging $129 for an OS update had a significant positive effect on Apple's bottom line, I would think that Apple would be looking long and hard at charging for Panther.
One thing that has always puzzled me. Why didn't they just call it OS X 10.5 instead of OS X 10.2. People complained because it was just a .1 update, which Apple has rarely charged for. I think simply calling it 10.5 would have placated a lot of people.
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:3, Informative)
System 7.5 had a ton of different enablers and patches through 7.5.2. (Supporting all the Mac clones coming out at that time only added to the confusion.) And PCI PowerMacs had recently come out, which the old networking core didn't support at all. So Apple rushed Open Transport (their new networking core) out for these new Macs.
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:3, Insightful)
But look at the release dates of the major Mac OS releases (working backwards):
10.2 - 2002 - Paid
10.0 - 2001 - Paid
There was no major OS release in 2000, save for the OS X Public Beta, free except for $20 shipping.
Mac OS 9 - 1999 - Paid
Mac OS 8.5 - 1998 - Paid
Mac OS 8 - 1997 - Paid
Mac OS 7.6 - 1996 - Paid
Mac OS 7.5 - 1995 - Paid
At least, I
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:3, Insightful)
6.0 - Paid (1988)
7.0 - Paid (1991)
7.1 - free
7.5 - free (1995)
7.6 - free
8.0 - Paid (1997)
8.1 - free
8.5 - free
8.6 - free
9.0 - Paid (1999)
9.1 - free
9.2 - free
10.0 - Paid (2001)
10.1 - free
10.2 - Paid (2002)
Apple _has_ made the decision to start using its operating system as a source of revenue, rather than something solely to support their hardware sales. I d
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:3, Informative)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr & u=http://eibr.adfi.ucl.ac.be/apple/apple.misajour. anciens.os.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpurchase%2Bsyst em%2B7%2Bmac%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3 DG [google.com]
Apple charged for system software before 7.5. I used to have System 6 floppies somewhere.
However, versions prior to 7.6 (7.5.5 and before) can be downloaded freely from ftp.apple.com--but this is today, not back during the days of their releases.
-/-
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Forced Upgrade? (Score:5, Informative)
Of course just before that he said they would have charged for 10.1 but they wanted to encourage the adoption of OS X.
What?? Apple SELLS software?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple's OS development cycle involves one paid rev per year and one or more incrimental upgrades that are free. It's really not that hard to get. And nobody is forcing you to buy it, either.
Jesus, there's plenty of legitimate reasons to knock a wierd company like Apple. Try to bring up one of them next time yo
Re:What?? Apple SELLS software?? (Score:5, Funny)
The time is now to drop your jolt cola, fire up your major comipile jobs, lock up your computer room, don your smelliest sweat soaked t-shirt (hint, the one you're wearing right now), and go forth to meet at Zero Infinite Loop. We will attack at dawn (*).
* bring extra sweat soaked shirts for use as biological weapons against the door guards
<sarcasm
Re:What?? Apple SELLS software?? (Score:3, Interesting)
1.) Apple users often claim that Apple is just a hardware company. According to them, the software is just a way to sell the hardware and that's why the hardware is so expensive.
When people ask why an update costs money, they are refering to Apple software beeing a "bonus" to the hardware.
2.) Microsoft (yeah, flame me) does still provide free updates for Win2k. Microsoft provides free updat
Re:What?? Apple SELLS software?? (Score:4, Informative)
Security Update 2003-03-03 (10.1.5): Information and Download [apple.com]
The real question (Score:5, Insightful)
no no you see (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The real question (Score:4, Offtopic)
Because if only one person pointed out that the post is either a dupe, or has the wrong logo (this has both, along with grammatical errors), then Taco et al can say "Of the x million readers only ONE cares". As it is, now though they still try to laugh off their mistakes and carelessness as irrelevant, they can't say that no one cares. Eventually they might get annoyed or embarrassed enough from people bitching that they implement any of the simple systems that would detect most dupes or spelling mistakes. Forcing them to select the correct logo might be harder, evidently.
Panther? I don't know but... (Score:5, Funny)
You have diamond theme, and your screensaver could feature the bulmbing antics of Inspector "Meecroseeeft" as he tries to do the same tasks the Pink Panther so suavely and easily performs.
- JoeShmoe
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Re:Panther? I don't know but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Sherlock! (Score:2)
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pre-release advertisement and hype (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:pre-release advertisement and hype (Score:3, Funny)
"announcing windows XP SP5, the 'must buy' of the computing year!"
yeah... ok... whatever.
Re:pre-release advertisement and hype (Score:2)
In his book titled "THE DILBERT FUTURE", prediction #43 says:
"In the future, the science of advertising will improve to the point where buying what you see in an advertisement is no longer optional"
Please read the book for details, on why advertisement will be important in the future.
Exclusive info behind the name of Jaguar... (Score:5, Funny)
"Well, we did want to name it yellow-tailed marmoset at first, but figured it was a little wimpy and obscure. Bitch was suggested too, until we remembered Microsoft had already taken that (albeit in their case it was the name they bestowed on users of Windows). What else choice did we have? Like an OS called Poodle would sell any copies..."
And there you have it!
one thing it will have (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:one thing it will have (Score:3, Informative)
Radar #3160445
Apparent random crashes of Java applications.
Some applications that use Java2D can crash unexpectedly with a crash log that specifies a failure in Java_apple_awt_CRenderer. This is a known issue and is being investigated.
Workaround: None.
Re:one thing it will have (Score:4, Informative)
I can smell the rumors. (Score:2)
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Re:Ocelot (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ocelot (Score:3, Funny)
Would... (Score:5, Funny)
Ba du dum.
They will just change the spots (Score:2)
(at least I am sure how MSFT would update it - change how it looks
Well (Score:5, Funny)
10.3 features (from loop rumors.com) (Score:5, Informative)
Support for 64-Bit architecture
QuickTime 6.5
iChat 2.0 with videoconferencing capabilities
Final Safari release 1.0 GM
Updated iApps (possible inclusion of iWorks?)
Enhanced Dock features
Overall system speed enhancements
Optimized for the new systems (AMD, Itanium or PPC970??)
Re:10.3 features (from loop rumors.com) (Score:5, Insightful)
I hope not; it has more enemies than Aqua has had, and would represent an awfully rapid departure from Aqua, which Apple clearly used to love.
Support for 64-Bit architecture
This would be nice; it's truly OS-related and is likely to happen sooner or later.
QuickTime 6.5
Apple has historically shipped QT as its own product (and clearly as its own source of revenue). It might get rolled up with the shipping version of 10.3, but it won't be a major feature since you'll almost certainly be able to get it elsewhere.
iChat 2.0 with videoconferencing capabilities
Granted, OS X as a whole is still a new beastie, so Lord only knows the directions in which Apple will go, but I have a hard time believing that Apple will expect us to drop $120 or so for a bunch of updated applications (particularly when they could potentially sell a suite of updates as its own product a la iLife). Again, this might ship with 10.3. It might even be only supported under 10.3, but is not compelling enough to make 10.3 necessary. Still, H.323 support (or support for whatever its heir apparent is) within the OS is SORELY lacking, according to my videoconferencing friends, so I know they'll gleefully welcome this.
Final Safari release 1.0 GM
Same as above, but I really think this will probably be available as a standalone, free download.
Updated iApps (possible inclusion of iWorks?)
You should be able to anticipate my answer here. iWorks would change things, but I bet if it ends up really happening, it will be like Keynote, a standalone product. Or maybe I should have likened it to AppleWorks....
Enhanced Dock features
Again, not compelling.
Overall system speed enhancements
Something to be excited about, enough for some people to finally make the jump, but not enough on its own. Remember, since adoption of OS X has been pretty high, 10.3 has to appeal at least as much to people who are already running OS X as it does to people who have not upgraded from 9 or lower-- and also to people running Windows.
Optimized for the new systems (AMD, Itanium or PPC970??)
This would present a pretty radical departure and is one sort of exciting "event" that I have to assume Apple have plenty of with 10.3, but again, isn't compelling to people already owning Macs or already running Mac OS X 10.2.
I have to expect, simply from paying attention to the past:
1. several "new" GUI changes, perhaps re-inclusion of OS 7-9 features, such as labels, some maybe from other OSes, some we haven't seen before.
2. some application or GUI features the likes of which just about no one has anticipated. Just like Jack Kirby [twomorrows.com] did, Apple is always forcing you to expect the unexpected.
--Kimota!
Re:10.3 features (from loop rumors.com) (Score:5, Informative)
Yahoo Messenger for Mac OS X provides video-conferencing, and fairly well too - it works over NAT too, which is something I believe H.323 doesn't natively support.
So far, it's the only decent system I've found. It's free, it's cross-platform, and I like it a lot
Re:10.3 features (from loop rumors.com) (Score:4, Informative)
Slashcode splits apart domains for some reason
Sshh..... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sshh..... (Score:5, Funny)
AMD logo? (Score:3, Funny)
The REAL reason (Score:5, Interesting)
They are doing this because they want the developers to have access to "new features" that won't be ready until then. There are also reports like this [envestco2.com] that indicate that Apple is about to release a new architecture based on the PowerPC 64 bit G5 processor.
It takes an important reason to reschedule a convention the size of WWDC. I believe that the move is an effort to keep details of the new G5 machines secret from everyone INCLUDING developers until the product announcement.
If the bids for the motherboards are due any day, then the release of the G5 boards could easily be made in June with production release soon after.
If you think Apple is REALLY switching to iX86 technology, I've got a small country to sell you.
Re:The REAL reason (Score:5, Funny)
Funny, so do I. Except the current residents are being difficult about vacating the premises. I sent over the boys to air the place out. Should be done in a couple of weeks. Oh, you're not with Texaco? Never mind...
Paying for bug fixes (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Paying for bug fixes (Score:5, Interesting)
I think that Apple has redeemed themselves from 10.1 and if 10.3 is as big of an improvment as 10.2 was it's worth $129.
Pather = Jaguar (Score:2, Funny)
Puma, Mountain Lion, TomAYto, TomAto.
Re:Pather = Jaguar (Score:5, Informative)
I hope Apple doesn't abandon 10.2.x for X11... (Score:2)
Has Anyone Noticed... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Has Anyone Noticed... (Score:4, Informative)
100% Content-Free (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately, this story is 100% content-free. There aren't even any good rumors about Panther. I can think of only two explanations for this: either Panther is going to be remarkably free of anything new and interesting, or Panther is going to be so amazingly ultra-mind-bogglingly spectacular that Apple relocated the development team to some secret Iraqi WMD labs to protect the secrecy of the project.
If 10.3 is as big a step forward as 10.1 and 10.2 were, I will be glad to pay for it. Heck, I'll be thrilled to pay for it!
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Re:Various rumors and speculations (Score:5, Interesting)
iLife was just released. iTunes will be upgraded (it's the oldest of the four, right now) soon, though.
There won't be that much benefit from a Cocoa rewrite. If you want a Cocoa Finder, give PathFinder a try; my experience with that one is that it has a few nice features, but is often way too slow (which reminds me of most other Cocoa apps, unfortunately).
New version of Safari? 1.0 isn't even out yet. Surely the 10.3 release will be the latest date they can offer the final; otherwise, it wouldn't make sense to me.
Video conferencing in iChat is quite likely - check its bundle for some unused icons
Multiple Customizable Docks - I doubt this. I hope they come up with a way to make the Dock a lot more useful, or, at least, fully replacable by third parties.
Now let's come to the less likely things:
- Metadata (Database FS)
As you said, they hired BeOS's file system engineer, who supposedly implemented journaling in HFS+. It would be very nice if he helped work on a metadata implementation.
My idea of it would be to work similarly as iTunes' Smart Playlists do, but even more transparently. Per default, the Metadata Finder won't show you the hierarchical file structure, but the semantical one. There could be such a topic as "downloads", which would show your recent downloads. It would consist of sections like "music" and "shareware". Each download would have information like "downloaded at" and "downloaded from" attached to it.
More interesting would be a topic like "e-mail", split up between your various e-mail folders. It would provide information like "date received", "subject", etc. Opening an e-mail letter would launch Mail.app with that specifict mail, of course. BeOS actually could do such a thing already, and that was half a decade ago.
Another topic is Aqua2: a resolution-independent approach. The Dock shows the benefit of (almost) perfectly resizable icons: No matter how good or bad your eyes are, you'll always be able to have the icons in your optimum size. But what about the rest of the GUI? Any of the text labels are already resizable, in theory. They're vector-based. Widgets, aren't, though.
I think one of the plans of Apple is to wait until we have very-high-resolution displays (closer to 300 dpi, instead of the currently typical 96 dpi) and then automatically scale any object on the GUI to fit best.
Rendezvous: I really hope Apple will offer a Rendezvous implementation for Windows. Some parts of it are there, already, but I have yet to see a working implementation example.
Re:Various rumors and speculations (Score:4, Informative)
J.
Pronunciation (Score:5, Funny)
What's with the Atari game system names? (Score:5, Funny)
First they named the last version of OS X "Jaguar." Jaguar also was the last console game system made by Atari Corporation. The ill-fated "64-bit" (flame on!) game system...
Now they are naming their next version of OS X "Panther." Panther was also the name of the unproduced 32-bit game system Atari had under development until they cancelled it in favor of throwing all their development resources behind the Jaguar.
Seems kinda backwards if you ask me. Perhaps the previous version of OS X should've been named "Panther," since it was 32-bit based, and then saved the name "Jaguar" for the version of OS X set to support the Power PC 970 chip...thereby being a more appropriate 64 bit reference... But then again, Apple has to "think different"...
So, will we see a PalmOS based Apple PDA codenamed the "Lynx"?
- The Lynxpro
(forgot my password)
*anyone know how many former Atari Corp. (and Flare Ltd.) employees now work for Apple?
Re:What's with the Atari game system names? (Score:3, Funny)
No, but I do know a couple of former Atari employees that now work for Apple. I think they wrote "Breakout".
Re:What's with the Atari game system names? (Score:3, Informative)
Apple goes into some details here (Score:3, Informative)
Apple goes into some details about what will be in the next major rev of the OS.
Cheers,
AMD tie in (Score:5, Interesting)
The metal interface isn't that bad.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Not too shabby.
http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/themes.htm
safari everywhere (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ummm.... (Score:2, Interesting)
"Intel" in this case meaning "not PowerPC"
Re:While you're at it (Score:5, Informative)
Re:While you're at it (Score:3, Funny)
"Apple has..." is used at the start, and "Apple haven't..." is then used in the second sentence.
And yes, this post is really as pointless as it looks.
Re:While you're at it (Score:2)
Not on slashdot, my friend. And, incidentally, the title of your post should instead read "While your at it".
Re:While you're at it (Score:2)
Of course (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft did not give out copies of Windows XP to people who bought computers with Windows 98.
Re:Of course (Score:2)
Bullshit (Score:5, Informative)
Not that I am in favor of proprietary software, but this is no way compares to the upgrade path for OS X.
Windows9x and NT are two completely different operating systems. I can see Microsoft marketing them as two different products and hence, owning one does not mean you get the other. However, paying to upgrade Windows95 to Windows98 is an absolutely asinine thing to do. That upgrade is essentially a set of system updates an a free web browser. In fact, one could upgrade Windows95 to Windows98 for free -- download the latest Internet Explorer and let it do shell integration. You got the kernel enhancements, a more threaded Explorer, and all that.
Going from Mac OS X 10.n to 10.n + 1 should cost nothing for someone who already owns 10.n. It is an incremental upgrade. Yes, 10.2 includes some very hot technologies (Quartz Extreme, for instance), but it is really only a marginal upgrade over the previous version. It is something the user should have received with previous versions, nothing radically new or improved.
Minor version upgrades have traditionally been something the user should have gotten with the previous release. They make a product you already own more complete. Charging for them is robery. Major releases, on the contrary, are typical radical advances in the software, such that it is largely dissimilar from previous major releases. MacOS 9 versus MacOS X is an example of this -- that's a worthwhile purchase.
Re:Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows 95 to Windows 98 to Windows ME
They each cost a lot to upgrade from one to the other.
Ok, so maybe Windows 98 to Windows XP would be like comparing OS 9 to OS X. But Windows 95 to Windows 98 would be OS X 10.1 to 10.2
Here's to hoping 10.3 Windows ME
Re:Bullshit (Score:3, Informative)
Not necessarily. For example, the upgrade from MacOS 8.0 to 8.5 was a paid upgrade, though still 'incremental' in number. The same can be said about a number of similar incremental upgrades with various software packages and operating systems over the years, not just from Apple. Whether a company calls a significant upgrade a minor point release or major point release often depend
Re:Bullshit (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bullshit (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, except that microsoft made its big change in file systems from windows 95a to 95b
95b was the major change, and most people didn't even know that it had happened. Which also meant that when people paid for an upgrade to win 98, it was quite a difference if they were going from 95 or 95a than if they had 95b or 95c
Exce
Re:Money (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Money (Score:2)
Seriusly I bought my ibook and i'm thinking that my next laptop will be a IBM with XP.
If you decide to sell it, I may be interested in buying it :).
Re:Money (Score:3, Insightful)
Thinkpad's are really nice, I love the keyboard especially. But then I love my iBook too (I've got both). But I prefer to run OpenBSD on both of my notebooks.
I think it would be nice if Apple re-arranged their version numbering so that "major chargable upgrades" came once every 2 years and everything in between was a free online update. I was about to purchase Jaguar about 2 weeks ago, I'm glad the local Apple dealer wa
Re:Money (Score:5, Informative)
Apple has released dozens of bugfixes for Mac OS X which were free, whether maintenance upgrades of the OS, or Security Updates, etc. It charges for the major releases: 10.0, 10.1, 10.2. Stop the FUD.
Plain and simple (Score:2)
Ten Point Three
As we have today 10.2.4 I dont see anything changing (well maybe a few things, but not the naming scheme).
Re:How is it gonna be called? (Score:5, Funny)
This is sarcasm, so don't flame!
Re:64 bit OS? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:64 bit OS? (Score:5, Interesting)
Adam
Re:Why Apple will not switch to intel (Score:4, Interesting)
Apple simply needs to add a proprietary ASIC (application integrated circuit) to the motherboard to keep clone makers at bay.
Apple could use the cheap pc components to bring their prices down. They'd be able to say their machines run at the same MHz as pcs. But if you wanted to run Mac OS X on Intel, you'd still have to buy a computer from Apple.
Hence, no need for the drivers you mention.
(You may also recall, that Motorola and IBM briefly made PowerPC machines (I'm not talking about the Mac clones either) that were NOT capable of running Mac OS 8/9. These machines ran AIX or other unix OSes. But the motherboards lacked the correct ASICs to run the Mac OS.
Re:Mac OS/X on x86-64 Opteron/Athlon64 (Score:5, Insightful)
It's been said many times already, so I'll just make it short: If Apple were to support the x86 architecture, it would only be on Apple hardware. For the near future (as long as Apple makes its money from hardware sales), you can forget about running OS X on your x86 box.
Finally, please, PLEASE Steve, simple admit that a two-button mouse (along with scroll well which also serves as a third button) is simply better than a single-button Apple mouse, and get on with it!!! A one-button mouse SUCKS!!!
I agree, which is why I use a three button/scroll wheel mouse on all my Macs. It really doesn't cost that much, and I don't have to spend any energy frustrated about what Steve Jobs thinks.