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stoffel writes
"According to this article on spymac retailers just received the 10.2.2 update to Mac OS X, which features an updated file system and improvements to FTP, NFS, and Print Services ... too bad you can't set the software update utility to check every minute."
Spymac (Score:5, Insightful)
Aren't these the iWalk guys?
Puh-leeze.
Re:Spymac (Score:2, Funny)
Correct me if I'm wrong (Score:1)
Re:Correct me if I'm wrong (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Correct me if I'm wrong (Score:4, Informative)
To mount something as ext3 you need to run:
tune2fs -j
on it first. This can be done on an unmounted or on a mounted filesystem. If you create the journal on a mounted filesystem you will see a
Now you can mount the filesystem as ext3 using:
mount -t ext3
Of note, this info was shamlessly stolen from http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext
Terminal my ass (Score:2, Informative)
"The most anticipated addition to 10.2.2 is File Journaling, which is off by default and can only be turned on via the Terminal."
Um, no. The journaled file system will not be enabled by default, true, but partially because it requires you to change from "HFS+" to "HFS+ (Journaled)" in Disk Utility.
In other words, no formatty, no journaly.
I, of course, could be wrong, but I remember seeing a screenshot of the updated Disk Utility window a few weeks ago, and "HFS+ (Journaled)" was a new option for formatting.
Never mind the fact that 10.2.2 getting closer and closer--/really/ close at this point--is essentially common knowledge, anyway. SpyMac has nothing new here.
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Yes, you are wrong (Score:5, Informative)
sudo diskutil enableJournal [volume]
And you don't have to format to enable it.
Re:Yes, you are wrong (Score:1)
Bummer.
Ah well, as long as there's $YOUR_PREFERRED_SHELL , everything's cool.
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Re:Yes, you are wrong (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Yes, you are wrong (Score:1)
Question to those who know: What happens if you turn journaling off, if anything at all?
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Re:Yes, you are wrong (Score:3, Informative)
question (Score:2)
Re:question (Score:3, Informative)
Not sure what use this is to the average single-small-drive user other than the fast reboot after a dodgy shutdown. I tried this & fsck automatically does journal replays (and FAST!)
Re:question (Score:2)
Some day I'll reformat my drive, but 'till then, this is a great time saver for me.
Re:Terminal my ass [Force Format to get Journal?] (Score:1)
If you had to format to get journaling you wouldn't have such an option via Software Update now would you?
Me thinks you'd have to get a new CD and during the installation select Journaling ala Linux does with ReiserFS.
Journal what? (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,634720,00.as
Software Update (Score:5, Funny)
Um, tell me again why you can't just make a cron job to run "softwareupdate" every minute?
Jeez.
not necessary (Score:2)
Java 1.4.1 included? (Score:2)
Re:Java 1.4.1 included? (Score:2)
Re:Java 1.4.1 included? (Score:2)
Re:Java 1.4.1 included? (Score:1)
Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:5, Informative)
the missing raid mode is worse than it seems. The mac xserves come with 4 big IDE disks. If you want to you want the Xserve to play nice in a unix environment then its a good idea to format the disks UFS. (you dont have to, NFS works fine with HFS+, but you risk screwing yourself with the file name case insensitivity of the mac. A rare event since most people dont have important files that differ in name only in their case but it's lurking.
But wait! you cant format the whole thing UFS becausesome of the mac apps break unless they are on HFS+. So this means you need to format atleast one of the disks HFS for the OS and apps. that leaves three disks. But in RAID 1, you cant use an odd number of disks. So that leaves two disks for raid 1 UFS.
Thus the best you can do is 120GB HFS+ Raid 1 and 120GB UFS Raid 1. So out of four disks the most you can get is 120GB UFS redundant storage. Ah you say, why not just make a small HFS+ partition and let the rest be UFS. Well apple does not yet support partitioning a disk with different File systems. Thus you cant split the disk into UFS and HFS+ partitions.
Two companies are promised a partionalble raid 5 system (Xraid and NXraid) but both suddenly announced delayed shippments. My guess is they are trying to incoporate this new journaling system.
I spoke to apple about this several times. It was hinted to me to keep watching because big things were coming. I suspect these are the Journalling FS and and an outboard mass storage disk sytem. but that's a conjecture.
That's the bad news. The good news is that these Xserves are otherwise a very good deal. The throughput is better than comparably priced linux systems. Also they occupy only 1U but hold 480GB of hot swapable storage. Yes there are some NAS systems that are 1U but they are about 10 X slower in throughput, not to mention that they dont support as many services as the macs (LDAP, NFS, SAMBA, SSH, SCP, FTP, MAIL server, RSYNC,NET info, Net boot ...). The macs have dual Gig-E too. ANd in a very nice move Apple will sell you a spare parts kit with everyhing you are likely to need to fix a deadXSERVE in the field.
Plus 24hour tech support.
the other nice thing about the Xserve is the construction. In addition to tool-free hot swap drives, the entire chasis slides out to the front revealing everything with no screws to undo or panels to remove. It's a clever design lacking the usual add-on slider rails of your gneric linux boxes. There's even a firewire port on the front for quick access. Another nice feature is that you dont need a terminal to set them up, they will auotmatically find the administration computer on any DNS system. And if you need to have a terminal attached, you can buy a UPS based KVM switch rather then the usual clumsy Video/mouse/keyboard KVMs.
Anyhow the bottom line is this as soon as a partionalble journaled raid 5 system is avaliable the Xserves will be one of the least expensivie full featured HIGH QUALITY 1U half terrabyte disk servers you can own. (note I said High quality). I just wish they would hurry up since I have two of these cooling their heels waiting for raid 5.
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:3, Interesting)
So -- have you actually tried it or are you just spouting off?
Sorry you are wrong: raid cannot be partioned (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Sorry you are wrong: raid cannot be partioned (Score:2)
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:3, Interesting)
The confusion undoubtedly comes from the fact that you can mix a UFS and HFS+ partition on a single non-raid drive. But you CANNOT DO IT ON A RAID 1 System. end of story. Note this is a limitation of the apple tools not the RAID system.
Dont you just love the way the fools above insiunuate that the poster is an idiot "mouthing off". Sheesh, what dorks.
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:2, Insightful)
You said and I quote,
You didn't explicitly say you meant only on a RAID system. Hence the confusion.
BTW Resorting to calling them "fools" twice and "dorks" doesn't help your credibility.
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:2)
Re:Raid 5, the missing feature (Score:2, Informative)
No you cannot mirror 2or more xserves? (Score:2)
I Sure Hope They Fixed WINS (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple claims CIFS compatibility, but they horribly broke WINS in their Samba implementation. If you add a WINS server you can't browse across subnets. All you can see is the WINS server itself. If you remove WINS you can browse your local subnet normally.
For some reason, I seem to be the only person who cares about this. I have never seen it mentioned and nobody responds when I post about it. My local Apple Tech rep didn't even know aout it. I did find it documented in this technote. [apple.com]
Re:I Sure Hope They Fixed WINS (Score:1)
Don't feel bad.
I had five hard disks on three identical computers wiped clean within two days of each other by a defect in the Mac OS X operating system. Well, they weren't actually wiped clean, which makes everything all the more interesting.
Actually, every file -- including all system files -- where deleted from the hard disk, but every folder (thousands of them) remained in tact.
Very weird. And no one cared a bit. --Richard
Re:I Sure Hope They Fixed WINS (Score:1)
OS version (w/ build number)
any services/daemons you had running
any apps you had running
etc.
I've never heard of this before, and since I'm going to be doing support for a moderately large OS X lab in the near future, I'd like to know more.
Thanks,
Ster
Re:and how much does this "Service Pack" cost? (Score:1)
Re:and how much does this "Service Pack" cost? (Score:1, Funny)
Try Free.
And where do we get this software update?
From Software Update.
Uh-huh, and how much does it cost?
Um, it's free.
I see, and where is it?
Software Update.
And what is Apple charging for this free software update?
Psst, the boss is coming.
It's free, right?
Re:and how much does this "Service Pack" cost? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:10.2.2 (Score:1)
Help is out there man.
Probably not (Score:1)
I'm not trying to make an argument that Apple is so innately pure that they would never do such a thing. They do things like sell ibooks and imacs which theoretically have the hardware to do monitor spanning, but have this feature disabled for product marketing purposes.
However, they pretty much only do these things when they feel it's in their best interest. And the number of people who would make a purchasing decision based upon the ability to hack in quartzgl support for pci video is almost precisely zero, slashdot notwithstanding. Hence, no real incentive for them to intentionally thwart such things.
Exactly how much space does journaling take up...? (Score:1)
Heh, I'll probably enable it even with the performance hit; sure, my iBook will be slow, but it's so cool. =)
Re:Exactly how much space does journaling take up. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Exactly how much space does journaling take up. (Score:1)
Software update once a minute... (Score:3, Informative)
#!/bin/bash
while true; do
sleep 60
done
A perl wrapper to parse the output of "softwareupdate" is probably more useful, as it could email you that there's new updates, or maybe do the installation itself.
Actually, that's not a bad idea for a server... set up a cron job to automatically update and reboot as needed. Hmm.
you can't wait? (Score:1, Redundant)
#!/bin/sh
:
while
do
softwareupdate Mac OS X
sleep 60
done
no confirmation yet? (Score:1)
a few comments (Score:3, Interesting)
FTP: I suppose this means that apple will be intergraiting FTP into the finder gui, and possibly improving the built-in FTP server. On a side note: why can't we all use FTP for file sharing with some common locator/naming service... FTP seems to be the only file sharing protocol properly implimented into every major OS. SMB is a great protocol, but has lots of room for improvement.
NFS: Who uses THAT? Honestly, people... SMB is much more widely supported, no matter how poorly implemented.
Print Services - Apple needs more of a unified printer driver architecture similar to the one used in windows. The one in OSX now is good, but not quite there yet.
File system - Journaling FS is niice, even though HFS+ already maintains data integrity quite well without a journal.
All in all, this one looks like a winner. Had Jaguar included these enhancements to begin with, chaces are that apple would have sold many more copies (although I admire apple's policy of incremental updates that add functionality, as well as fixing bugs. No other OS offers that. Not linux, not windows, nothing.)
Re:a few comments (Score:2)
Ugh. I wish. Windows XP still ships with completely broken FTP support, both on the command line and in the Explorer, just like every version since Windows 95. The explorer doesn't support ftp upload at all.
And even if it were properly implemented everywhere, FTP is a horrible protocol. A crufty and overdesigned two-channel connection setup, no security, only one generally supported authentication mode, and terrible error handling. FTP is a relic from the bronze age of the internet, and the sooner it goes away, the better.
NFS: Who uses THAT?
You're kidding, right?
Fortune 1000 companies use NFS. Universities use NFS. The linux kid in the next apartment from you probably uses NFS. I use NFS. We don't necessarily like it, but we use it.
Apple needs more of a unified printer driver architecture similar to the one used in windows.
They have [cups.org] one. Really. It's as unified as it's possible to get. They just need more/better drivers.
HFS+ already maintains data integrity quite well without a journal.
You are a funny, funny man.
It's here. (Score:3, Informative)