The Nation of Macintosh? 514
Devon Avenger writes "A new short British film has been released according to this article at Wired depicting a cult of Macintosh fanatics who are organised in a manner reminiscent of the Nation of Islam."
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Whoa. (Score:5, Funny)
I just don't think the bow tie would go with his black turtleneck.
Re:Hey man remember the 80s (Score:5, Funny)
Steve Jobs circa 1984 [apple-history.com]
I still think Sculley looks scared to have Steve behind him.
Re:Whoa. (Score:5, Funny)
My own mental image was a guy running around calling himself "Malcolm OS X"
original (Score:5, Informative)
Re:original (Score:5, Funny)
Another cool Mac vs. Islam reference: the Public Enemy song where Chuck D talks about sitting down to composes his next song by "smack[ing] the Mac on the back and attack"... anyone who remembers the old 9" monochrome machines remembers that little switch on the left in the back... and that happy little "bong!"
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He probably said Mack, which means pimp.
No, he's right (Score:5, Informative)
I got so much trouble on my mind
I refuse to lose
Here's your ticket
Hear the drummer get wicked
The crew to you to push the back to Black
Attack so I sat and japped
Then slapped the Mac(Intosh)
Now I'm ready to mike it
(You know I like it)
It's written exactly like that in the liner notes too.
FWIW, Chuck D has gone around helping indie rapper set up Mac-based ProTools studios for quite some time.
A new group in "OZ?" (Score:4, Funny)
Re:A new group in "OZ?" (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, those guys are always parading around
NoI is not Islam (Score:4, Informative)
However, the Qur`an states in chapter 4, verse 36, "Serve Allah, and join not Any partners with Him;
The followers of the Nation Of Islam further believe "in the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We also believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore, they will be resurrected first." But the Qur`an states in chapter 20, verse 55, "From the earth did We Create you, and into it Shall We return you, and from it shall We bring you out once again." Even more pointedly, the Qur'an also states in 64:7,
The Unbelievers think that they will not be raised up (for Judgement). Say: "Yea, by my Lord, Ye shall surely be Raised up: then shall ye Be told (the truth) of All that ye did. And that is easy for Allah."
Besides the above two differences, the followers of the Nation of Islam also believe in other things contrary to Islam as defined in the Qur'an and Sunnah, such as:
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[We, the Black Muslims, believe] "in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it".
The problem with this belief: The true Prophet of Islam ordered Muslims to neither accept the Bible nor reject it - certainly there was no mention of reinterpretation.
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"That we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for".
The problem with this belief: The Qur'an and Sunnah are crystal clear on the necessity of going to war when the situation demands it.
The Nation of Gods and Earths (5% Nation of Islam) is apparently an offshoot of the so-called Nation of Islam. Like its parent, this group's beliefs clearly identify it as being fundamentally outside the pale of Islam. Specifically, and we quote (from their homepage):
The original man is the Asiatic Blackman, the maker, the owner, the cream of the planet Earth, father of civilization, God of the Universe.
This is in clear contradiction with one of the essential axioms of Islam, namely that Allah (God) is Creator and all else (including men - asiatic blacks or otherwise) is created. In chapter 25, verse 54 of the Qur'an, Allah says that He has created man, therefore it is logically impossible for man to be Allah.
The second quote above is a prime example of a tendency of the "Nation of Gods and Earths" to conjure up beliefs that are, to a large extent, highly confused. Some examples of these beliefs that have nothing to do with Islam are "supreme mathematics and alphabet", an evil person named Yacob, a prophet named W. D. Fard, and a belief that black people are superior in some way.
The true Prophet of Islam refuted this last racist belief in his Farewell Address,
O people! Verily your Lord is one and your father is one. All of you belong to one ancestry of Adam and Adam was created out of clay. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab; nor for white over the black nor for the black over the white except in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious.
For a deeper expose of this group and its parent (the Nation of Islam), the interested reader might wish to examine the autobiography of the late Malik Al-Shabaz (Malcolm X).
The scariest thing... (Score:3, Interesting)
ok... (Score:5, Insightful)
So now I get to this little gem: It's about that whole religious fervor that grabs Mac users the way it doesn't with users of other platforms," said writer/director Jake Barnes, who described himself as a "recovering Mac addict."
Has Jake Barnes every met a linux user? Or a BSD user? Or a VMS user? Or hell, a BeOS or OS/2 user? He probably just looked at windows and thought "well 90% of the known universe uses it, so how excited can Hip Bob be when booting it up". He has failed to see the amount of umm... love some non-microsoft and non-apple people have for their computers. I mean come on... linux... what is there not to love. Hell even IBM spraypaints "Peace. Love. Linux." on stuff. Oh well... need coffee.
Re:ok... (Score:4, Funny)
Why bother to recover?
Re:ok... (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been playing around with some old Macs for the past few weeks. I'm trying to get Linux on a 6100 but having a hell of a time. But in the process, I've had to load OS 7.5 on this thing a dozen times, and even this antiquated OS impresses me. It is clean. Easy to use. The Drive Setup tool, the Mac answer to fdisk, is easy enough my grandma could use it. Yet this kind of stuff eluded the Windows realm for years.
I also finally got OS X on an old G3, and it is the coolest OS I have ever used. All my UNIX utilities are there. So are some gorgeous GUI apps. It is clean, simple, and that is just the way I like it. I love the CLI in Linux because I like simple, and I can get what I want to do done, and quickly. OS X is the GUI answer to that.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who uses Windows is a masochist.
And as far as the hardware debate, yea, Macs are more expensive. It is economies of scale. But even this old 6100 uses SCSI! And the layout is well though out, with one fan for the entire computer (the PSU fan).
Re:ok... (Score:5, Informative)
I'm getting tired of this old chestnut. More expensive than what, exactly?
Yes, the retail cost of a new Mac is more than your average clone, or built-it-yerself project, but this is not where Apple is positioned.
When I decided to get a Mac to replace a Windows box to run commercial applications, I decided to do an accurate price compare with other high-end vendors. That means I only looked at higher-end Compaqs (or whatever they are now), IBM (when they sold desktops), and anything from Sony. I did a build-your-own run on dell.com, making sure to choose all the "extra" items that came standard on a new G4.
Plainly put, I found that a Mac was less than $500 (Canadian) in most cases.
If I was building a super-deluxe gaming box, I would have built my own Intel/AMD box (again) and been done with it. This would not have been an economy solution either, based on the numbers I racked up pricing out an AMD godbox.
Look, a modest off-the-shelf or built-to-order Intel/AMD box running Windows is probably good enough for most people. If you want or need anything more, however, any top of the line brand-name box is going to be siginficantly pricier. Apple is not alone in this.
The bottom line is that, for what I wanted a home computer to be (semi-pro music production, web development, modest amount of gaming, software development) a Mac fit my life perfectly. I get a commercially supported OS, standardized equipment and a deep well of user experience I can draw on.
And I don't have to use Windows. I get enough of that at work.
If you want to criticize the Mac platform, a better place to start is the lack of cheap or free software. There isn't the same culture of freeware as in the BSD or Linux world, and the commercial apps tend toward higher prices. I attribute this to market-share.
This is changing, however. Anyone who uses OS X (and who doesn't) has access to Fink [sourceforge.net] for opensource love.
If it's fanatical to choose a platform that allows you the benefits of a commercially-supported platform with the pleasures of a nice UNIX GUI, then go ahead and call me a fanatic. I don't know from anything earlier than OS X, so cannot comment. People tend to get attached to their first user experience. Heck, I have a soft spot in my heart for the TRS-80 Model I and Northstar minis.
From my experience though, if you fairly compare a recent G4 with a recent offering from Sony, add the DVD-RW/CD-RW and Gigabit ethernet (ok, this last is a bit spurious -- who can use 1000 mbit devices to the fullest right now?) you'll find the price difference almost meaningless. Add a $500 tax for running Windows (that's only a dollar a crash), and the price ends up the same.
Re:ok... (Score:4, Interesting)
This is for our new outside sales force, so style is legitimately more important than substance. An iBook is undeniably stylish, and at $1,195 pretty reasonable. Compare that to the Sony subnotebook, which costs $1,699, or even the entry-level ThinkPad at $1,300-odd.
I may just wind up getting my company to purchase Macs for the first time, since the software the salespeople use is browser-based anyway.
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Re:ok... (Score:4, Insightful)
Once you combine this with the cool form factors, the ease-of-use, the friendly Unix-like goodness of MacOS X, and the overall stability of the Macintosh platform, you will see that many people are deciding that a Mac laptop is a nice buy. Now I'm sure that other manufacturers have similarly decent offerings, but Apple is certainly to be praised for being among those in the front of the pack.
It isn't that people love other operating systems (Score:3, Insightful)
I realized this after I'd used a number of non-Windows operating systems and realized that I actually enjoyed using them -- the operating system itself, not the games or whatever written for the OS. All of them. Mac OS was elegant and had some amazing concepts. Lots of people doing binary hacks for it, and tons of good spirit and fun among the community. Linux is the same way, but with source instead of binary hacks, and a more techie community.
Windows has this bland feeling to it. You'd use it for work, but simply using and poking at the machine isn't really enjoyable.
Oh, and you can get *annoyed* with a non-Windows operating system -- like not having the GNU utils on Solaris...but I wouldn't really call that the same thing. There's no fundamental dislike in place.
Re:ok... (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows: I'm a mindless drone (haha, j/k).
Linux: I'm a super-sexy, super-genious and all the girls should sleep with me.
See how well that works.
Re:ok... (Score:2, Funny)
Please, I prefer reluctant conformist.
Re:ok... (Score:4, Funny)
Heh. Well, I do have a t-shirt that reads "Chicks dig UNIX".
At my job, this is actually true. There are many damn cute geek girls in this town anyway, and most do appreciate (Linux|BSD|!Windows) ubergeeks.
Hey, it can be hard to meet people! I don't use my geek status or OS choice to define myself (entirely), but it has sure helped me find people to spend non-computing time with. That includes real sex, for those of you who haven't looked up from the porn on your monitors in a few weeks.
That last was a joke, so don't get your (Thinkgeek) panties all in a knot.
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Fanatical? Mac users? (Score:5, Funny)
We have this Unix
You reboot now
Are you afraid?
Death to Microsoft
Death to Sun
Steve is great
Re:Fanatical? Mac users? (Score:2)
and we're different from Linux geeks how???? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:and we're different from Linux geeks how???? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:and we're different from Linux geeks how???? (Score:2, Funny)
They also usually don't care about all the pretty colors their computer comes in.
Re:and we're different from Linux geeks how???? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:and we're different from Linux geeks how???? (Score:5, Funny)
Well, it's simple. The Mac advocates are wrong and us Linux geeks are right.
Re:and we're different from Linux geeks how???? (Score:2)
Except for online, I have yet to meet either a Mac or Linux user who sees one and only one OS. I've met OS/2 and Amiga fanatics, though that list is quite small (1 for Amiga, 2 for OS/2).
I consider myself a Linux advocate yet I have no problem if someone has a good reason to use an 'alternative' platform. I've used everything from Solaris and BSD through Windows and MacOS. If a reference source is available, I can usually cope with anything.
I've met some Windows users in real life that seem a bit too aggressive and unyeilding.
New religion? (Score:5, Funny)
Other new religions include Linux, vi, and emacs.
Re:New religion? (Score:2)
A Scary thought (Score:5, Funny)
I know I'm one. And for some reason I happen to be wearing a black turtleneck today... Hmm, perhaps it's time to back away from the computer for a bit.
Steve Jobs New Title (Score:5, Funny)
It makes sense (Score:2, Informative)
Great, more hatred. (Score:5, Insightful)
Its not enough that Microsoft has the vast majority of the desktop.
Its not enough that the macintosh has been derided for the past 20 years as a toy, as inferior, and as the machine that is more style than substance.
Its not enough that we had a good solid ten years of the tech media announcing that apple was going out of business- never mind that when they first started making that claim, apple had more sales revenue than Microsoft!
Its not enough that most half educated self-styled geeks think macs are slow.
Or that theirs a cult of mac hatred, mac bashing, and downright viciousness directed at anyone who dares to buy the computer that is not the one ordained by the powers that be as the be all, end all, "how dare you want something else".
Its not enough that despite better economics of mac software, we've had 20 years of idiot marketing types canceling mac products to focus on windows (And then losing to microsoft in the end.)
Its not enough that bigotry and hatred towards mac users is wide spread among computer enthusiasts- and is not only tolerated but encouraged.
No, none of these are enough.
Now we need to start comparing mac users to terrorists?
Its continually amazing how threatened so many people are that some segment of the population buys the computer that works best for them.
How can you be so threatened at people thinking for themselves? Oh yeah, that's right, this is a nation that worships conformity.
This is a sad state of affairs. And some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Re:Great, more hatred. (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree with you that this is a cheap-shot against Mac users. But you are not alone. Amiga users were also considered zealots. So were OS/2 users. And so are Linux users.
This has been going on for a LONG time. Anyone who isn't towing the Microsoft/Intel party line has been branded a zealot since day one. Why? What exactly about Microsoft and Intel automatically makes them the "bastion of reason", why anyone that disagrees is considered a zealot?
As a former Amigan, I can honestly say that the Amiga had -soul-. Mac users will say the same thing about the Macintosh--and they're right. This is what inspires such loyalty, and this is the very thing the Microsoft/Intel PC has always lacked--soul.
Re:Great, more hatred. (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure, the mac is not alone in this. I agree.
but the thing that strikes me is how much outright hatred there is out there.
ITs not about preference-- its actually persecution (in the same way gay people are persecuted-- not burned at the stake, but harassed and denied opportunity.)
Just look at the blatantly biased way my post has been modded.
Yes, amiga users suffer the same fate, and Linux users too, but its worth noting that at least in these parts its the linux users running around calling us "macfags" and getting modded up for it!
Re:Great, more hatred. (Score:3, Insightful)
The Nation of Islam is a racist, reactionist, extreme black Muslim group--but they're hardly terrorists.
Criminals maybe. Name-thieves, probably (the orignal Nation of Islam actually became Muslim, not racist.) Ignorant racist bastards, definitly (most arabs are closer to "white" than "black").
But they're not terrorists.
How can you be so threatened at people thinking for themselves? Oh yeah, that's right, this is a nation that worships conformity.
Tell me again how being a rabid fanboy of ANYTHING is "thinking for yourself?"
I'd love to have a Mac. I'd like to be able to use Linux for what I need it to do. But neither of those means that I'm "thinking for myself."
Admittedly offtopic, but... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:YOU FORGOT the MOUSE and GUI!!!!! (Score:2)
I still haven't forgotten the day that the Wall Street Journal announced that Sun had bought Apple.
They never retracted that story, btw.
Re:Message to Moderators (Score:5, Insightful)
You need to get out of the house more, kid. I'm sick and tired of hearing the incessant bitching and whining about the slashdot moderation system. This is slashdot - your comments and views are being thrown into the mix with 12 year olds, the janitor from Radio Shack, legit geeks, and bored out of work guys.
By looking at your profile, you've been around long enough and certainly posted more than enough to be an occasional moderator yourself. Put up or shut up - the only worthwhile thing you can do is moderate responsibly. Whining about it is a waste of your time, my time, and any other poor schmuck who bothered to read your post.
If someone mods you down, remember, this is just slashdot! I swear some people need to go into therapy just because their shitty post got modded down by a thirteen year old.
But look (Score:3, Insightful)
People who complain about the moderation here have too small a sample rate.
Re:Message to Moderators (Score:5, Funny)
Report back to us about what a life is like.
Re:Message to Moderators (Score:3, Funny)
*snicker*
Let me guess.. (Score:2, Funny)
Timng is everything (Score:3, Interesting)
Despite driving upgrades to its new Mac OS X 10.2 "Jaguar" operating system, Apple reported a US$45 million loss and flat year-on-year revenue for its fiscal 2002 fourth quarter.
Hopefully, this is just an issue of absorbing the R&D costs [fool.com] of their new O/S. I'm not a Mac user, but some of my best friends are
Re:Timng is everything (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Timng is everything (Score:5, Informative)
Read the earnings report yourself. They actually posted a 7M profit before one-time non-recuring changes due to an internal reorg and recent acquisitions.
Given this, they actually met their predictions. This is pretty good while other hardware manufacturers plummet.
With more than 4 billion in cash reserve, a net loss of 47M is just a good tax evasion for the next quarter.
Apple's Heros (Score:5, Insightful)
It is fun to notice all these little fanatic communities for all old computers: Atari [atari.st], Amiga [worldonline.dk], ABC80 [lysator.liu.se], Spectrum [worldofspectrum.org], C64 [www.hut.fi]...
It is nice to see that some of us aren't here just for performance and the latest games!
Re:Apple's Heros (Score:3, Insightful)
Interesting (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm convinced the reason behind it is that the typical Mac user is someone who is not very technical and was perhaps intimidated by using a computer, so when they figured out how to use their Mac they get a certain sense of pride and accomplishment which they in turn morph into zealotry.
Thankfully this is changeing with more affluent Unix people migrating over to try OSX, but the core zealot remains the same.
The funny thing is that while I was working with the *BSD dev team to straighten out their internal shceduling problems with the threading code in the kernel I noticed that the dev guys were very calm and rational people, pretty much just the opposite of the Mac user. Interesting indeed.
Warmest regards,
--Jack
Re:Interesting (Score:2, Interesting)
I haven't seen any of them lately, maybe they joined the Mac camp.
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Insightful)
Common misconception. Most Mac users are creative professionals that have no NEED to learn the inner workings of computers and the technical details of their machines. It has nothing to do w/ "pride" in figuring out how to use it. It has to do with the perceived ability of the Mac to facilitate their creativity.
Like you said, this is changing. With many *nix heads coming over to the Mac camp, the average tech savvy-ness of the Mac user IS going up. However, please remember that a great majority of Wintel users can't even figure out how to use AOL by themselves, let alone use Final Cut Pro to create a full-length movie w/out a manual.
And there are PLENTY of tech savvy mac users. I happen to be one of them. I've been building x86 boxes since the 286, worked on every flavor of windows, use linux regularly, and have ALWAYS preferred Macs.
People with no vision are always the first to deride those with style. People with style are always the first to help out those with no vision.
I noticed that the dev guys were very calm and rational people, pretty much just the opposite of the Mac user
Maybe that's because instead of having to crunch their brains fixing problems (which, trust me, the high-level OS engineers at Apple would behave the same way as your BSD dev team) with a kernel, most Mac END-users are EXCITED that they have enough free time after getting all their work done cuz their machines don't crash freeze ask for money or otherwise hinder functional use.
Just a thought.
Macs & Creativity (Score:5, Insightful)
Now I suppose Adobe Premiere on a beefy Windows machine could do the same, but I'm getting nervous just thinking about it. I use Windows every day and consider myself a very proficient user. (blech)
So what do I need to do the same project? I suppose:
Premiere, Beefy Windows-based Machine (XP? 98? 2000?) - I'm guessing 2000, but that's just a guess - So I have to downgrade. And the right video card - Oh my gosh! Which one shall I get? Hmm.. And I forgot: I need a FIREWIRE card b/c they aren't standard on most PCs. Oh crap. Firewire drivers, Oh yeah - video card drivers. What, there's a conflict (IRQ?) between my add-on FW card and my add-on HD. CRAP! See what I mean?
Before you write "Dude, you're stupid" I'll concede the point. I'm stupid. You got me.
But I am smart enough to figure out how to run FC Pro in some fashion or another, produce multimedia, etc. etc.. and I'm pretty sure I'm smart enough to puzzle out all the Windows crap, BUT I DON'T WANT TO. I'm smart enough to get my work done, and that's all I care about. I don't like "computers" and I don't want to spend half my life figuring out why they don't work.
Re:Interesting (Score:2, Insightful)
Speaking as an old Amiga user who's now a Mac user, I'd have to say you're way off base here.
The comment about 'typical' Mac users not being very technical doesn't hold (after all what percentage of Windows users do you know qualify as remotely tech-savy?) and whifs somewhat of intellectual/technical snobbery when you stop and think about it.
My theory is that the reason users on both platforms tend/tended to be enthuisasts is that we derive a lot of pleasure from using well designed machines/OSes (OK so there's a flaw in my argument there with pre-OS X Mac-users
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Insightful)
You know what it is about Mac users? People who 'discover' the Mac (or Linux/*nix for that matter) and like it more than Windows feel like they've made this major leap. They know 90% of the planet isn't aware of any other OSes because they used to be one of those people, not too long ago.... so it's hard not to feel smug.
Look at the reaction of any newly converted users. They are flabbergasted at the difference. Again, goes for both Linux and Mac... really, it's not hard to see why. Not for the people in here.
This actually goes with my larger theory that only 90% of the planet even cares, or can objectively see the difference between a good UI and a bad one. Hence, Apple remains at 5~10% (don't give me the 4% figure, I've never believed that).
Actually.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Interesting (Score:2)
These are not geeks, gurus, or deep into graphic design. They see Windows PCs everywhere and think that they are missing something since Windows is so popular. Asking them a few simple questions usually eliminates doubt and they stick with Apple out of inertia;
* They have a Mac.
* While they can use Windows there is no reason to not keep or buy a Mac.
* They stick with Apple.
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
That shit happens normally on Wintel for me (cant get this or that going.)
I'm a C/C++ developer. I'm no moron. But I have a job, friends, family, and no desire to spend my time "fixing windows that shouldn't be broken in the first place."
I was always zealous about the Mac because it pretty much worked as advertised. If that ain't the kinda shit you preach from the mountain tops, I don't know what is.
To me, there was very little downside to temper the kind of excitement and satisfaction I got from fuckin around with my Mac.
Purple Koolaide (Score:5, Funny)
Woz: "Just trust me and insert the purple disk..."
So riddle me this (Score:5, Insightful)
Way back when there WAS computer diversity, it was no different. If you used an Amiga, you were a zealot. If you liked OS/2, you were a zealot. But if you used Windows, you were the bastion of sanity and reason! (never mind the crashing, the unreliability, etc). And this was in an era when Windows did NOT have the majority (yet). And this was primarily a North American attitude, as well.
So now we have Mac users AGAIN being branded as fantics and zealots. What has changed? The smarmy attitude of Windows drones is more like a dominant religion, in my opinion. The Cult of Bill is far more repugnant than a few stalwarts who want to compute differently.
Re:So riddle me this (Score:3, Insightful)
Whooaaa there Captain. Lower your shields!
I don't think they are trying to say that EVERYONE who uses a Mac is a zealot. (And I do not ever recall seeing the terms 'bastion of sanity' and 'Windows user' being used together.) The 'hardcore' Mac users that I have known typically wanted a computer to do a few specific things (desk top publishing, etc) and the Mac did an excellent job for them with fewer hassles than a PC. Therefore they could not see why someone would want any other kind of system.
Also, if you really want to see zealotry, go to a Java newsgroup and post "I heard that C++ was better than Java" (or vice versa)
Re:So riddle me this (Score:4, Insightful)
Many of us have known ABMers. If Microsoft didn't exist, they'd find some other reason to distinguish themselves...
It's alla bout Conformity (Score:2, Insightful)
It keeps people in line by their own natural reaction to strange and unknown things.
You Lie (Score:2, Insightful)
I see the Macsterbators have lots of moderator points today!
Mac users fanatics? Try Amiga users! (Score:5, Informative)
They should try Amiga users, they're several times worse Mac users. Really.
Most of us already joined the cult. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, there are still Mac fanatics, but just like the suffragettes, the Cult of Macintosh faded when it won.
The Macintosh successfully delivered the GUI desktop paradigm to the masses. After that, well, anyone applauding Windows 95+ was also supporting the ideals that the Macintosh was successfully promoting into the marketplace - like it or not.
Sure, the Mac had some really really dark days... mostly in the late 80's, early 90's when that Pepsi guy was pretending to run the place.
But again Apple has taken the industry to a new level, with computers that push design and function, and with a real, extendable, fairly open, standards-friendly OS behind it.
In any case, the war is over. Maybe Apple didn't win all the love and money. But it propelled the industry forward on many, many fronts.
Thank goodness for comapies like Apple pushing innovation into the marketplace. Maybe someday Microsoft will be able to do the same.
Nah, they have no incentive to do that.
Re:Most of us already joined the cult. (Score:3, Insightful)
That's funny (Score:2)
Poor Rodney Lain (Score:2, Interesting)
I always thought he was a little macadamia nuts. You've done your damage, Rodney, rest in peace.
Windows zealots? (Score:5, Funny)
Don't those Heathens know their Mac? (Score:3, Interesting)
Next they'll be telling me that the Classic was the original mac like all those posers do on eBay.
Malcolm X (Score:2, Funny)
Incite Different (Score:2, Funny)
In related news (Score:3, Funny)
Greetings from the iNation. (Score:4, Funny)
My name is Mac-colm X, and I will soon make my pilgrimage to Cupertino.
It's not Malcom X ... (Score:2, Funny)
Passive zealots (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, what about the scores of MCSE monkeys that think every other operating system outside of Windows is a toy? Isn't that a type of zealotry? They're not going out and actively preaching Windows but they're passively dissmissing any other platform. There's plenty of Kool-aid to be drunk that's coming out of Redmond.
If the movie's any good, they'll have a confrontation between a mac zealot and an MCSE monkey that tells him "Macs can't network." I'm picturing a Steve Martin type reaction from the movie "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid" when somebody mentions "cleaning woman".
For a company with 5% market share... (Score:5, Insightful)
As far as the Cult of Steve, I am a member, having recently returned from exile in the PC wilderness. Ah, how nice it is to return to the warmth of the Reality Distortion Field, where all benchmarks are Photoshop and all the UI components are lickably delicious.
Macs aren't the only products that inspire fanatical devotion (see comments re Linux, BSD, etc.). Not even just computers (shocking, isn't it?). Have you ever met people who drive Saturns? We're rather fanatical about our friendly dealerships and polymer side panels (dent resistant *and* rust proof
I wonder... (Score:4, Funny)
We are gonna bomb them! (Score:2, Funny)
(Yeah. I'm a mac user alright
All bow down before Matt from AmbrosiaSW (Score:3, Funny)
All bow down before the AmbrosiaSW oracles!!
~this is just the begining.
Here Comes the NAACP and Friends (Score:2)
Beware, I think I heard one of them dial already... I thought they'd wait till the movie made some money...
NEWS AT 11: Gnostic religious groups file a lawsuit against the makers of The Matrix for mis-representing the concept of the DemiUrge. Catholics groan as they thought they stomped out the Gnostics after the Nicean Council. Constantine rolls over in grave!!
apple store (Score:2, Funny)
Still... (Score:4, Funny)
For example, we don't bomb things.
We
I'm waiting for the chants (Score:4, Funny)
Off the pigs!
Revolution has co-ome.
Make the switch [apple.com]!
[Note to mods: if you were born after 196x, you may not get the reference. Mod accordingly.]
Pesky pseudo-religious platform fanatics! (Score:3, Funny)
"It's about that whole religious fervor that grabs Mac users the way it doesn't with users of other platforms"
Pardon him. He hasn't visited Slashdot.
Re:Aargh! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:If Only... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Discriminatory, demeaning, uncalled for? (Score:5, Informative)
Wha? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't like stereotyping, but this is exactly what the above is: somone read it, saw the word 'Islam' and instantly thought "terrorism blaming! terrorism blaming!" without seeing the context.
More power to you for defending your faith. But try and read what the context and the article is before you go calling everyone racist. Unless you're actually Nation yourself, in which case you're allowed to be offended.
Re:Discriminatory, demeaning, uncalled for? (Score:2)
I do understand why you'd think so though, as ignorance and propaganda following 9/11 have made a LOT of people think all muslims are terrorists out for some western blood.
Dude, chill (Score:3, Insightful)
Parodies of Nation of Islam (the racist political organization) usually aren't saying much about Islam (the religion).
Re:No he wouldn't (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, if Apple used Malcolm in a "Think Different" ad, that would be different. I myself get pretty pissed at the use of Gandhi, Cesar Chavez, etc. to sell computers. Frank Sinatra, not so much... :)
iTorvalds (Score:3, Funny)
I heard that some guy even did a TTY-compatible port of the thing with iBrotha script.
Re:hmmm (Score:3, Insightful)