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Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.1.3 468

Posted by CmdrTaco from the lookit-all-that-fruit dept.
nbvb submitted what I'm pleased to say is our first apple.slashdot.org story. We'll be posting more news for our sizable Apple population there in the future. Anyway, He says "Apple today released Mac OS X 10.1.3. Be sure to click your "Software Update" and "Install" buttons! (Hey, if we can get an announcement every time a new point rev of a development kernel hits the FTP sites, can't we hear about Mac OS X?)" As usual, user reports of the new release have been both positive and negative.
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  • Nice theme. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by PD ( 9577 ) <slashdotlinux@pdrap.org> on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:22PM (#3039466) Homepage Journal
    Can we have this theme on the other pages?

  • DVD player (Score:5, Informative)

    by Jeffrey Baker ( 6191 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:22PM (#3039471)
    The new DVD player can show movies on the external monitor attached to my PowerBook G4. That was the only remaining regression OS X had versus OS 9 on my machine. I'm a happy sometimes-OSX user now :)
    • I'm very pleased to say it also works great on the Powerbook G3 (Pismo/Firewire)
      Just tested it on my TV and on an external monitor, all I can say is SWEEEEEET
      Together with an Cordless Optical Mouse from Logitech it's the ideal makedue DVD platform ;-)

      Now al we need is support for VCD and SVCD under OSX. And maybe mp3 audio support in quicktime so we can play Divx without all that conversion stuff.

      Apple really dropped the proverbial ball on that one if you ask me. I thought it was THE multimedia OS ?

      Oh, well I'm already happy I can play my copy "Hackers" when I'm in need of my regular fix of pure Bullshit.

  • New Apple Icons? (Score:4, Funny)

    by FortKnox ( 169099 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:23PM (#3039482) Homepage Journal
    Warning, Slashdot Conspiracy Theory:
    I think someone just wanted to use the new apple [slashdot.org] icons...

  • Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 2starr ( 202647 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:24PM (#3039486) Homepage
    Now, I'm a Mac user and do the rounds off all the Mac info and rumors sites each day as well as thoroughly reading evey article on /. having to do with Apple, so don't get me wrong. But, I guess I'm wondering why Apple stuff is being broken out? What's the reasoning? Will we have a windows.slashdot.org soon? Isn't this just going to make it possible to hide possibly interesting articles from people on the main page that don't visit apple.slashdot?

    • mac ghettos (Score:5, Funny)

      by plastik55 ( 218435 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:32PM (#3039652) Homepage
      It's because they're tired of Apple user's tireless honest answers to stupid flames:

      CmdrTaco: Oh yeah, the new xMac is out. It can burn DVDs and run BSD software while preparing you a tasteful, healthy meal for you every day and never needs to be taken for a walk, and it actually looks halfway decent, but I won't ever use it because it ships with a one-button mouse.

      Mac-using hordes: BUY A GODDAMN $10 3-BUTTON MOUSE ALREADY!

      Taco: All right, I'm sectioning off a Mac ghetto and sending you there so I don't have to listen anymore.

      BTW, I couldn't post to this article without going through apple.slashdot.org. That's annoying. And a shiny ugly green theme is still an ugly green theme.

      • Re:mac ghettos (Score:3, Informative)

        by iso ( 87585 )
        Mac-using hordes: BUY A GODDAMN $10 3-BUTTON MOUSE ALREADY!

        I'm just as sick of the one-button mouse complaint as everybody else, but for the record, the vast majority of complaints are about the one-button trackpad that can't simply be replaced.

        - j
      • It's also possble that we have entered the realm of the post Sarcasta merger. Oooo...

        --
        Evan

    • Re:Why? Well, Why Not? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by freality ( 324306 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:35PM (#3039681) Homepage Journal
      It's probably a very strategic move into the space of mac info/rumors sites, ~because~ those sites have a dedicated following like /., but with a splintered offering of niche info. In other words, Can /. rule the mac weblog space?

      Slashdot was probably asking themselves "Why not use our brand and slashcode to bring a superior geek news site to a community that has demonstrated their desire for this kind of content."

      The problems you bring up are going to be issues /. will have to deal with or risk dissolving its brand.

      P.S. I used to visit macosrumors everyday, then they posted a link to this new site "Slashdot"... 1997?
      • P.S. I used to visit macosrumors everyday, then they posted a link to this new site "Slashdot"... 1997?

        It was January 1998. BlackLightMedia - parent company of MOSR - used to do ad sales for /. That's how I ended up here.

    • It's Cool... (Score:2, Insightful)

      by WiseWeasel ( 92224 )
      It provides an alternative to other Mac sites with a discussion-based theme. Macslash and the other / sites are cool, but it's a pain to have accounts at all those sites, whereas here, we can just use our /. accounts and post with the convenience of the /. cookie in your Browser's cookies. It makes it convenient for all these Mac users to join the discussion and comment on different stories. Due to this, I'm sure we will get rich discussions here, not available on other Mac sites, due to the volume of /. users. If the main stories keep getting posted to the main /. page, and if they get some additional Mac heads to post interesting Mac-related articles to this section exclusively, this could be a good alternative to other Mac news sites. I'm all for it, as long as they don't stop posting important Apple stories to the main page.

  • Uhh.. (Score:2, Troll)

    by mESSDan ( 302670 )
    submitted what I'm pleased to say is our first apple.slashdot.org story
    Sizable Apple population? Where the hell is windows.slashdot.org? Sizable population there too! Linux.slashdot.org? I imagine that it could be construed that slashdot.org IS linux.slashdot.org. Go ahead, moderate me as a troll, but this begs the question!

    • Re:Uhh.. (Score:3, Interesting)

      by tomblackwell ( 6196 )
      Actually, it doesn't beg the question [alt-usage-english.org].

      • Re:Uhh.. (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Svencer ( 60261 )
        According to your link it actually does "beg the question," even if it does not conform to its original use in the 16th century.

        -------
        Many people unaware of the technical meaning of "to beg the question" in logic use it in one of two looser senses.... The second, "to invite the obvious question, (with an inanimate subject) to raise the question", is now the most commonly heard use of the phrase, although we have found no mention of it prior to The Oxford Guide to English Usage, 1st edition (1983), and
        it is not yet in most dictionaries.
        -----

    • Re:Uhh.. (Score:2, Insightful)

      by johnlenin1 ( 140093 )
      Maybe apple.slashdot.org is just an excuse to create Aquafied Slashdot graphics?

    • Re:Uhh.. (Score:2, Interesting)

      by FortKnox ( 169099 )
      I'd really like to know the statistics on slashdot.

      Give me the stats of how many Unix vs Linux vs Mac vs Windows to tell me what a "Sizeable Apple Community" is versus the MS Community...
      • That might be a kinda funky poll. You'd have to allow people to pick more than one. I, for example, use all of the above. Though if I had to pick one, I'd probably pick Mac OS X.

  • Didn't work here (Score:5, Funny)

    by ksheka ( 189669 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:24PM (#3039489)
    I hit the update button in the tools menu, and it didn't mention anything about 10.1.3.

    All it gave me was some "Welcome to Windows Update" page. :-(

  • Oooh....pretty theme! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Snootch ( 453246 )
    Can we have this on the main page? This is just coool!

    That said, i'm not sure why apple.slashdot.org exists. Unless bsd.slash, win.slash (ooh, flame target, bad example :-) ), or whatever are in the making, why the apple-centricity?

  • Har! (Score:3, Funny)

    by lblack ( 124294 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:27PM (#3039520)
    A Mac-branded portion of Slashdot, complete with oogly googly prettiness in the form of gradients and rounding.

    The message being broadcast to me on a quick hop around the .slashdot.orgs would have to be:

    Apple = Pretty, ooh, ooh [slashdot.org]
    Linux = Ugly, stinky, green [slashdot.org]
    BSD = Red [slashdot.org]

    Hm.

    Anyway, this is far too hi-fi for me. Back to ugly, stinky, green.

    -l

    p.s. Why is Science [slashdot.org] ugly, stinky, green, too? Science and Linux don't look even nearly similar, I dual boot them!

    • Re:Har! (Score:3, Funny)

      by Graff ( 532189 )
      Actually, now that you bring up colors, shouldn't the Apple version of Slashdot be blue, not green? I mean Apple's Aqua is a nice blue color, not some greyish-green like the graphics on apple.slashdot.com.

      Other than the color I definately like the new graphics. I'd vote to use the green one on the main site, use a blue one for the Apple site, use a red one for the BSD site and to make the Windows site be black text on a black background with completely black graphics! :)

  • Attn: CmdrTaco (Score:5, Funny)

    by EricKrout.com ( 559698 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:56PM (#3039557) Homepage

    Dear Mr. Robert Malda:

    This law firm is the intellectual property and litigation counsel to Apple Computers (NASDAQ: APPL). It has come to our attention that you are the registrant and primary owner/operator of http://slashdot.org, a renowned site for open source and free software fanatics. Your new web site graphics scheme at http://apple.slashdot.org is in violation of Apple's copyright of any and all things computer-related and translucent in appearance.

    Please be advised that Apple Computer is the holder of "combined translucency and sex appeal" which the United States Patent and Trademark office has accepted for registration on the Principal Register. Since the late 1970s, my client has created beautiful engineering miracles of this aesthetic design. Apple Computer, courtesy of their marvelous, refined, and sexy produts, have an outward appearance that has become famous worldwide. Consumers looking for lime, flamingo, tangerine, and/or neon-colored computing devices have come to find my company's products, and only their products and parallel websites for advertising and selling said products.

    You are hereby warned and notified to CEASE AND DESIST your use of attractive shiny graphics, which you continue to use in bad faith. If you do not immediately remove them, we will take all action necessary to protect our mark. Your failure to comply will result in my client's full and forceful prosecution of all of its rights, and you could incur liability for damages in excess of $11,371,137 and responsibility for our attorneys' fees.

    Sincerely,
    The Law Firm of Geoffrey R. Morris,
    Washington/Tokyo/London/San Francisco

    (adapted from webtechniques.com's Bret A. Fausett)

    EricKrout.com :: 5, Interesting [erickrout.com]

  • Apple Poll Possibility (Score:5, Funny)

    by rogerl ( 143996 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @03:57PM (#3039563)
    Apple Macintosh:

    1. Nope
    2. Work
    3. Home
    4. Work and Home
    5. Cowboy Neal eating an apple. Yum.

  • whooo hoooo! (Score:3, Funny)

    by nbvb ( 32836 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:21PM (#3039565) Journal
    I guess this counts as a First Story, not a First Post? :-)

    --NBVB
    (Whee, my first accepted submission, too!)

  • OSX finder issues (Score:4, Informative)

    by linuxpng ( 314861 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:23PM (#3039580)
    Anyone know if, by chance, they have fixed the annoying finder issue where folder views are not kept?

    This is an issue with me that's actually addressed in the KB. They state it will be fixed in a future OS revision. Anyone else think that's kind of lame?
    • major
      1. finder views not sticking - AMEN!
      2. springloaded folders
      3. windowshade (is a haxie, *should* be a feature)
      ***are these three so christlessly difficult?***
      minor - could live with haxie but why?
      4. detent in the icon zoom
      5. where the *&^%@! is my os9 desktop in a std file dialog?
    • How about the one where in list view, when you move icons into and out of folders, the @#%#@$!! file name pane would shrink every time! It's about time they finally fixed that one. It was really driving me nuts.

      Now if they would just bring back icon labels/colors. That's how I sort my pr0n, which is still kept on a 9.1 machine.

    • Re:OSX finder issues (Score:5, Informative)

      by zephc ( 225327 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @07:51PM (#3040930)
      most likely its because you dont have write permissions to said folder (directory) and your account cant write the .DS_Store file to said folder. Otherwise I have had no problem with folders keeping their views.

      In Terminal.app, try `chown -R [yourusername]:staff ~/' and to any other folders you frequent (like on other drives, etc).

  • Apple Thinks it's 2001 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Schlemphfer ( 556732 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:24PM (#3039592) Homepage
    I happened to be in the process of downloading 10.1.3 when I came across this discussion on Slashdot. The installation was effortless, and it's great to have system software that's less than 24 hours old. But when I rebooted and selected "About This Mac," the box came up saying 10.1.3 is installed, "Copyright 1983-2001 Apple Computer."

    Oops! Fortunately, other than that little oversight, 10.1.3 seems amazing so far. Rock solid and gorgeous.

  • Wow! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by thedbp ( 443047 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:25PM (#3039594)
    Slashdot got Aquified!! i hope this isn't some sort of plot to keep us apple-ites separated from you "real" computer enthusiasts ;) J/K, I have noticed a lot more coverage of Apple stuff since OS X started gaining steam in the tech community, and I really appreciate it. Also i think its funny that you guys remade the UI elements in aqua fashion.

    Mac users may have to fight for respect and fend off the "condolences" of our Windows counterparts a lot of the time, but its nice to know that we have Slashdot on our side, or at least not berating us. Thanks for the recognition guys!!!

    Oh, and 10.1.3 RULES. easy flawless upgrade. System keeps getting snappier and more impressive. I'm dying to see 10.2: The Return of Sping-Loaded Folders! Excuse me while i trip out to my killer iTunes visuals on my 27" television :)

    • Re:Wow! (Score:3, Interesting)

      by version5 ( 540999 )
      I have noticed a lot more coverage of Apple stuff since OS X started gaining steam in the tech community, and I really appreciate it.

      True. Apple has gained noticeably more respect since the release of OS X, unfortunately, I can't say the same about the Apple enthusiasts. They have a long way to go. Here's why: For the most part, the nerd contingent refered to in "News for nerds" believes in function before form. This is an engineering principle. I am a graphic designer, but I respect and understand the importance of this principle. Many Apple users are of the "Oooh, shiny!" variety, and some even go so far as to deride command line interfaces and less-than-perfect GUIs. It is commonly believed that such people have no place in a serious discussion of technology.

      • Re:Wow! (Score:3, Insightful)

        by SmittyTheBold ( 14066 )
        You may think that, but also look at such screenshots as the one below:

        http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/yo ur nick_fluxbox.jpg

        BlackBox (and by extension, FluxBox) rocks. (that's just fun to say =) but GNU/Linux and X apps in general lack a cohesive UI. In the aforementioned screen shot, I count no fewer than four window styles. That means no less than four separate ways of intereacting with the machine. That's the *windowing* level, for chrissakes. Get on down to the widgets, that's another four interfaces to get used to, and all of them can get mixed and matched.

        On OS X, you have three sets of interface elements, but all of them are *very* similar. (Aqua for one, Classic for another, and the "Pro app" brushed metal of all the Apple media apps) it's much more cohesive - and the lessons learned from one UI apply almost directly to the others.

        Now, one of the keys to OS X is simplicity. Yes, it's impossible to do some things in the stock GUI. But, the things you can do are very easy. Not only that, but the features that are missing from the GUI are almost certainly available in the Terminal.

        Furthermore...many Mac users are of the Oooh! Shiny! approach...but just try denying that Luna doesn't attemt to pander to that taste. Not to mention the downright crappy-looking transparent terminals things liek eterm provide in X...

    • Re:Wow! (Score:3, Funny)

      by SnarfQuest ( 469614 )
      What's a sping, and why are you loading them in my folder?

  • Put it on last night - some findings (Score:4, Informative)

    by Dark Paladin ( 116525 ) <jhummel.johnhummel@net> on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:27PM (#3039604) Homepage
    At home, I run fetchmail, UW Imap/pop3, and postfix. (Some excellent instructions for installing it are here at Stepwise) [stepwise.com], Image Magick, Gimp, and some other Open Source programs on OS X. I also use BBedit and Microsoft Office X. (And I can say that Entourage is a far superior program to the one I have to use with Windows.)

    The good news: Nothing broke. 10.1.3 didn't rewrite any mail settings, so all of my mail continued to come in/get sent out just fine.

    The bad: Still no focus-follows-mouse, multiple desktops, or the ability to connect to my wife's printer on her Windows 98 box.

    I did have a problem with Samba for a little bit (I have another computer running Win98 I use just for games playing). Once I turned off the SMB service and turned it back on, it worked fine.

    Some of these things comes from a former KDE user (ie: focus-follows-mouse, etc), but overall, since it didn't break anything, I'm assuming all went well. As person who used Linux 90% of the time up until last week, OS X is still surprising me by all the little nice things they put in.
    • You could do some fancy things on the Win98 box to use ghostscript to accept PS input and output to the native printer driver, then access the PS printer via lpr. I had to do that do use a Xerox inkjet that didn't have any MacOS drivers, from my primarily Mac network (why did I buy the Xerox? It *said* it had Mac drivers ... it didn't).

      Good luck!

    • Multiple desktops (Score:4, Informative)

      by GeorgeH ( 5469 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:55PM (#3039822) Homepage Journal
      Check out Space [sf.net] for multiple desktops. Not quite true multiple desktops but I can't imagine OS X without it.

    • no focus follows mouse?

      glad I didn't go out and buy a mac then, that would have infuriated me...

    • Mouse focus was one of the things I missed the most when I finally ditched my old BeOS box and got my OS X G4. But, think about it for a minute; focus follows mouse wouldn't work on a Mac. Your toolbar is at the top of the screen not the top of the window. Mousing up to it would focus on the Finder before you got to the toolbar which would be the Finder's bar then.


      A real multiple desktop would be sweet though.

  • Pre-nup? (Score:4, Funny)

    by toupsie ( 88295 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:28PM (#3039611) Homepage
    So is the new apple.slashdot.org [slashdot.org] a pre-nuptial arrangement that Kathleen Fent [slashdot.org] required of CmdrTaco before marriage?

    I think it is a cool idea since now, because of Apple, BSD has a 3 to 1 lead [osopinion.com] over Linux on the Desktop. Take that Tux!

    • I think it is a cool idea since now, because of Apple, BSD has a 3 to 1 lead [osopinion.com] over Linux on the Desktop. Take that Tux!

      What? Dont you know that BSD is dying? I read all about it here on Slashdot.

      • Re:Pre-nup? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by toupsie ( 88295 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:41PM (#3039724) Homepage
        What? Dont you know that BSD is dying? I read all about it here on Slashdot.

        Yea, I read that all the time. But then again, Apple has been dying since they released the first Mac back in 1984. Every year, I hear "Apple can no longer survive with a 5% market share". They fail to understand that Apple has $4 billion cash in the bank.

  • Good stuff! Right on, Slashdot! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PatJensen ( 170806 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:31PM (#3039641) Homepage
    First off, I really like the new apple.slashdot.org site, and the GUI is quite lickable. Talk about serious hickory! I'm going to have to wipe off my monitor! Kudos to the graphics designers at /. for this supreme Apple lovin'.

    Now, because I'm at work I haven't had a chance to install the 10.1.3 update. Someone please tell me they did some Aqua or ATI 3D optimization on the Rage chipset in the new iBooks. That is -all- I want! Also, I haven't really seen much comments or reports on the update, since Apple doesn't publish a really big CHANGELOG. But Macintouch [macintouch.com] has a fairly huge reader reports section. If not, I guess I'll have to wait for the next 10.2 beta.

    Anyone know how to make non-supported DVD drives play with OS X DVD player.app? I have an LG 12x burner 8x DVD that is supposed to work according to xlr8yourmac.com - it'll work fine in OS 9 but no love from 10.1.2. Cool. Have fun!

    -Pat

  • It's started already.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Fubar ( 1615 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:32PM (#3039655)
    Looks like Kathleen is 're-decorating'.

    :)

  • what is this? separationistic feelings? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sofar ( 317980 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:34PM (#3039669) Homepage
    Ah geez people:

    apple.slashdot.org
    windows.slashdot.COM
    micros oft.slashdot.NET
    freebsd.slashdot.edu

    what's the point in separating ourselves from the rest in what /. is all about? It's a multiculture (well, geek-culture of course) discussion and news forum. Maybe it has it's own mind, but at least every opinion is hosted.

    First poll suggestion:

    cease apple.slashdot.org?

    O Yes, please post all mac news on the real /.
    O Maybe, I dunno
    O No, I don't care about the rest, Apple is my leader
    O what's a poll?

  • Do apple.slashdot.org users not get a poll? That is the only reason to come to /.

  • apple.slashdot.org? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Triv ( 181010 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:35PM (#3039673) Journal
    Question: What does this do to Macslash? I've always looked to them for info first (although the conversations were admittedly dead and moderation points were nonexistant) and they're apparently in a bit of a financial scrape. [macslash.com] Personally, I'd rather an active discussion here than dead air there, but I'm still curious. Triv

  • 10.1.3 Upgrade Results - TiBook 667 (Score:3, Informative)

    by greygent ( 523713 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:37PM (#3039691) Homepage
    Locked up during the "Optimizing OS X" portion of the install. Cursor moved, but no apps responded. I almost expected this, as I read about install lockups with tibook users. I was not immune.

    Powered off, and rebooted. Ran 'sudo update_prebinding -root', which is what "Optimizing OS X" usually means. Seems to work like a champ, now. I notice a little speed increase.

    % uname -a
    Darwin neptune.sps.lane.edu 5.3 Darwin Kernel Version 5.3: Thu Jan 24 22:06:02 PST 2002; root:xnu/xnu-201.19.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc

    • I suffered the same fate with my G4 cube 450. The GUI just froze up (although I could still telnet in and gracefully shut it down). To tie up any loose ends I downloaded the 10.1.3 package [apple.com] from the Apple support site and ran the update again. Different fix, same end result.

      I'm kind of disappointed that there are problems with this update. Software update has been nothing but solid in the past and it's a shame to see that reputation tarnished. Still, it's a testament to the stability of OS X that it could suffer such a crash and still be totally accessible via ssh or telnet. Much better than the old MacOS.

  • Why not a minor versions-topic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Aapje ( 237149 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:45PM (#3039754) Journal
    What I would really like is a topic where all these Linux 2.2.0.2.3.4.1.3 and MacOS X 10.1.3 updates are posted so I can skip them. I like to read about a substantially new version of an OS, but why should we be bothered with these minor bug-fixes. The people who use the respective OS's will learn about the update from their own sources (I learned about this update from 5 sites before Slashdot told me about it) and the others couldn't care less about minor fixes that don't affect them.

    Besides, the most important reason to read slashdot is for the comments and these topics get the worst comments of all. It's mostly trolling (Mac/Linux/BSD rulez/sucks) and uninteresting trivia (did you know that this update fixes DVD on external monitors?). Get me some serious technology news that illicits comments about the problems of EPIC or an ethical story about censorship.
  • 1. Apple will never release OS X for Intel although it would be cool, they make most of their money from hardware!

    2. Apple.slashdot.org should not a high priority. No equal representation.

    3. Aqua/OS X theme is cool.

    4. Don't complain about OS X, its Unix and its cool.

    5. return this/self;

  • Are we going to see some syndication here? I mean - like the /. XML [slashdot.org] file found on the main site?

    I like to browse the headlines, and not go back and revisit every stinking discussion site I watch every single day.

  • SCSI CD-RW support (Score:2, Informative)

    by nullard ( 541520 )
    I'm just glad that my old SCSI Yamaha 8x4x24 actually works in OS X using the built in Disc Burner and iTunes. Burning CDs was just about the last thing justifying keeping OS 9 on my G4.

  • So has slashcode been (Score:3, Funny)

    by ellem ( 147712 ) <ellem52.gmail@com> on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @04:55PM (#3039827) Homepage Journal
    Carbonized or rewritten completely in Cocoa?

    (I really tried, I just couldn't help myself)

  • Faster (Score:2, Informative)

    by ruiner13 ( 527499 )
    It really seems much snappier. I updated a G4/450 and a G3/350 without problem, and all window functions and menu functions are really faster. It is most apparent on the G3. THe G4 has a gig of ram, and the g3 has 128, but without classic on the machine, it runs very well and can convert MP3's to an audio CD in iTunes at 8x speed. Not bad for old hardware.

  • also in german! (Score:2, Informative)

    by skymester ( 323871 )
    What impressed me, was that the update was instantly availible in the german language version also. I (Mac user since two weeks) expected to have to wait at least a few days.

    Does apple always release all language versions at the same time?
    Would be nice.

    BTW: hasnt anybody sayed recently that Star Wars Episode II will premire in europe on the same day as in US. Do i see the trend here that US companies stop treating ther non US customers as second class people, or is it just apple.

  • Karma Whoring For Apple? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by namespan ( 225296 ) <namespan.elitemail@org> on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @05:14PM (#3039979) Journal
    Hmmmm. I'm wondering if, with the advent of apple.slashdot.org, I'll be able to come here, make pro-apple comments, and more easily get Karma.

    Not that I don't have better things to do with my time... and most Apple fans I know really aren't drooling idiots.... but one has to wonder if segmenting the audience would lead to this kind of change in moderation.... kindof like talk radio shows don't tend to attract people whose views diverge wildly....

    Just a thought...

  • Nothing new (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @05:14PM (#3039980)
    apple.slashdot.org [macslash.org] has been around for over a year. It is called MacSlash [macslash.com] and it is run by actual Mac users.
    • Actually pudge is a real Mac bigot :)

      The last time I checked the computer sitting next to my Linux box is a G4 with OSX. Of course, I am a UNIX bigot, not a Linux bigot.

  • Our own sandbox? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sg3000 ( 87992 ) <<sg_public> <at> <mac.com>> on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @05:25PM (#3040068)

    First, I have to say, I've had no problems with 10.1.3, and it works fine on my PowerBook G4.

    About the apple.slashdot.org site: does this mean that Apple stories won't be cross-posted to the regular slashdot site? If they are still cross posted, then that's cool.

    If not, I see a problem: partitioning Apple-related stories away in a separate site from general science, technology, YRO, and other non-Linux stories seems counterproductive and silly. I mean, there's a reason why MacSlash [macslash.com] doesn't get a tenth of the traffic as Slashdot. That is, as a Mac user (and Linux and Windows user), I don't care to visit another site that only covers Mac stuff; that's what Macintouch and MacCentral are for.

    So if this site is going to be like the latter, you should have done a poll to see which topic had to get off the swingset and play by itself.

    The Aqua-fied slash look is pretty cool, though.

  • My favorite new feature... (Score:4, Informative)

    by MidKnight ( 19766 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @05:33PM (#3040123)
    ... is in the Detect Displays button on the Displays System Preferences pane. Previously, to get my laptop to recognize an external display, you'd have to put it to sleep & wake it back up. This wasn't a big deal, since OS X can go to sleep & wake back up in about 4 seconds total. But, it's nice to have a button to detect other monitor(s) on the fly.

    And on a random external-monitor point, it blows people away when you're doing an Powerpoint presentation, then you pull up a pretty translucent terminal for a Unix-y CLI demo, then you start up an X-served app, all from a little Mac laptop. It amazes me that so many *nix folk still don't appreciate the phenomenal job Apple has done w/ OS X.

    --Mid
  • You will need 300MB of free space on your macosx volume to download and because I partitioned my disk and there is no way in the updater to specify a different volume, well I am fscked. The installer will start filling up what ever free space you have before giving you the error message, so you lose all that time before finding out. Bug!

    I've got two (2) ibooks here. And YES, if you have two or more machines, you will need to do the download n times because the file can't be opened after download.

    apple.slashdot.org: I think it sucks. It just put people like me who use both Linux and OS X on the tip toe. Please do something about that and remove this alienated walls around mac stuff.

    PPA, the girl next door.

  • Drivers? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by karlm ( 158591 )
    I confess I've looked at the Aple support sight, but haven't dug too deeply. Can the "Classic" emulation layer now wrap drivers and expose them as Darwin drivers?

    When I was home for Christmas, I noticed that Mom had an unopened OSX box on her shelf. She didn't know she had it. She's the kind of person that still asks me about "memory" when she means to talk about HD space and it seems that OSX would protect her from herself much better than OS 9.1 does. The only problem is that HP doesn't have printer drivers for her printer under OS X. She would get extremely confused if some apps could use the printer but others gave her error messages.

    I end up solving printer issues for her every few months. Last time, I had to talk her though downloading and reinstallilng the printer drivers over the phone. (Thank God she has a second line for the modem.) Over Christmas, it was a cable that had giggled itself loose, but almost everything else seems to have been either stability or protection issues with OS 9.

    BTW, those Apple guys are masters of (relatively) seamless transitions off of legacy Hardware/Software/APIs. I wish things were so good for things I can afford on my student budget. Maybe CLR/Mono will do better than Java for this problem, although I think we're going to start seeing legacy VMs being a problem. Anyone working on coding up a good java JIT to run under Mono or a bytecode cross compiler from JVM to CLR?

  • What's really changed (Bullet points, hah!) (Score:3, Informative)

    by ronabop ( 520121 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @05:42PM (#3040201)
    If you're kind of person who really wants to know how much is in an "update" (Measly bullet points doesn't do it justice):
    "lsbom /Library/Receipts/MacOSXUpdate10.1.3.pkg/Contents/ Resources/MacOSXUpdate10.1.3.bom"
    Will produce a file listing... piped to WC, there's 1832 files/folders involved in this "litte" fix.

  • MacSlash (Score:4, Insightful)

    by kriebz ( 258828 ) <kriebz@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @05:44PM (#3040225)
    What happened to MacSlash.org
    If thsi si the same thing, why the "new" site?
    If it isn't, why don't you leave this to them?

  • Install Froze, No SMTP+SSL (Score:3, Informative)

    by dew ( 3680 ) <david@weekly.TOKYOorg minus city> on Wednesday February 20, 2002 @05:49PM (#3040262) Homepage Journal
    I just installed 10.1.3: the install froze on my titanium g4 about 1/3 of the way through the "optimization" phase. I rebooted after the system became unresponsive and it looks like all the updates are in place, although 10.1.3 isn't listed as having been installed on my Software Update Log.

    Getting IMAP+SSL support in Mail is huge for me since that's the only way into my mail server (short of pine over SSH!). Unfortunately, Mail doesn't seem to support SMTP+SSL, so I have to rely on local relays which change depending on my connection. What a simple feature to add and what a joy that would bring to me!

    It's a good update, but some loose ends remain.

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