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LinuxPPC Co-Founder Resigns 47

acaben writes "Jason Haas, co-founder of LinuxPPC (and a semi-frequent topic of discussion on Slashdot) has announced he is resigning from the company to pursue a college degree and a life a little less hectic. Haas explained he was burned out, and that "Three or four years of trying to do as much as humanly possible will do that to you." There's more information available on his depature at MacSlash."
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LinuxPPC Co-Founder Resigns

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    He's a marketing guy, Not a Unix guy, not a Linux guy, Not a hacker. I am not sure where you get your information but you really need to check this stuff before spouting off like a moron.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    not to belittle jason's contributions, but people like paulus, benh, geert, kfukui, ani joshi and others are far far far more insturmental to linuxppc (the code, not the non-profit org).

    And your last sentance absolutely proves update()'s point.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Seems to me that they are two completely different distros and Apple is recommending Black Lab Linux.
  • People forget that they will be working for about 40 years of their lives (or more). If you burn out at age 25, you still have to figure out what you are going to do from now untill you want to retire or die. Unless you are one of the few who make *SO* much money by age 30 that you can raise a family and live the rest of your life off of it. You have to figure that you will need to keep working until you are 60 or 65 or so. So it makes sense to not try to work 80 hrs a week every week for the rest of your life.

    Hell you might even want to take time out to have a family and maybe a hobby or two.
  • That realize that playing with computers for some of us is how we pay the bills and that sometimes no mater how much money you are making working 80 hrs a week is just not worth it. (At least for some people)

  • > I have met this guy in real life. Jason Haaz is a real linux hacker, who are you to say otherwise?

    (You spelled his name wrong.)

    I worked with him and attended a few expos with him. He's simply not a coder. That's not to imply that people who don't code aren't worthy people, but let's get our facts straight please.

    -Hollis
  • First, a disclaimer: I don't represent any Linux for PowerPC company or organization, but come as someone who's been using the kernel on PowerPC hardware for several years, and who has been in contact with many people in the PowerPC community.

    Some points of clarification:

    Originally, the kernel was simply called Linux for the PowerPC, or the Port of Linux for PowerPC. Gary Thomas and Cort Dougan were the two main players in developing the Linux for PowerPC kernel in the early days. Jason Haas had little to do with the actual kernel. The kernel wasn't actually developed in conjunction with any type of distribution.

    Later on, Jason Haas and Jeff Carr started up a company called LinuxPPC, Inc. LinuxPPC, Inc. created the LinuxPPC distribution. This distribution used the Linux for PowerPC kernel. The other main distribution custom-designed for PowerPC is YellowDog/Black Lab Linux, by Terrasoft. In other words, there is no LinuxPPC or YellowDog distribution for non-PowerPC architectures. In addition to these, other Linux distributions have ported their packages over to Linux for PowerPC - SuSE and Debian to name a few. So you can get Debian or SuSE for PowerPC, and it will install and work nearly identically to Debian or SuSE for x86 or whatever architecture you care to install it on.

    Current distributions supporting the Linux for PowerPC kernel include:

    LinuxPPC, Inc.'s LinuxPPC 2000 Q4
    Terrasoft Inc.'s Yellowdog Linux 1.2 (2.0 will be available RSN)
    Debian's 2.2r3 (PowerPC port)
    SuSE Linux 7.1 (PowerPC port)

    These all generally use the same Linux for PowerPC kernel base, but some of the distributors make their own patches to the kernel (which are of course made available to anyone).

    Much of this information can be obtained from this site [penguinppc.org].

    Hope this helps...
  • by prwood ( 7060 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @04:47AM (#254436) Homepage
    ...can be found here [linuxppc.org].

  • Actually, some RISC developers use "Restricted" because "Reduced" is a bit of a misnomer, what with things like the supposedly ReducedISC DEC Alpha having more instructions than the Pentium. Instead of continuing such incongruities, they've updated the term to be a better reflection on reality. Maybe your post deserves a "stuck in the past" rating? ;)


    Cheers,

  • by mcc ( 14761 ) <amcclure@purdue.edu> on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @06:08AM (#254438) Homepage
    Black Lab Linux says on their page they are based on Yellow Dog Linux. Yellow Dog Linux uses the LinuxPPC kernel, which Jason Haas is directly responsible for. Black Lab Linux seems to have done some kernel tweaking, but it's still the LinuxPPC team that did all the work..

    Something that almost NOBODY seems to have straight is the difference between LinuxPPC the kernel and LinuxPPC the distro. I'm still a bit confused m'self. From observing, i get the vague sense that the LinuxPPC distro is just kind of tossed together by kernel developers who are much too busy maintaining the kernel to actually put together a distro, and the LPPC distro is nothing more than redhat recompiled without any testing, a thousand disparate and mostly uncessecary parts thrown together on a CD, most of which are for various reaons broken. Personally, i have used (buying one of them) multiple versions of LinuxPPC and had a simply miserable time with them all. I then went and got me a copy of Debian/PPC, which uses the LinuxPPC kernel -- which was as easy as downloading a disk image and letting dpkg handle the rest-- and my experience with it has been absolutely blissful. (I have had serious problems with the X server, i will admit, but i suspect this could easily be fixed were it not for the fact i am purposefully choosing not to run X on this machine.) I have never used Yellow Dog Linux, but everyone i've talked to who used it was quite happy with it. I personally would rather use Debian/PPC, being as i love apt-get and dselect more than i can express, but YDL may be better for people who are not (as i would consider myself now) relatively experienced linux users. I am still wonderfully grateful to the LinuxPPC project, it just seems to me the quality of their distro is not very high on their list of priorities.

    If i am mistaken as to the nature of the LinuxPPC distrbution, or if the LPPC distribution has improved in quality since the times i used it (it has been awhile, relatively speaking) i wish to apologize greatly to anyone i have slandered.

  • And JWZ did basicly write netscape.

    Considering the state of the original Netscape source code, I wouldn't be too proud of that...

    -jon

  • You know, if they had services similar to PayPal back in those days (or the earlier Windows days), some little appreciation payments might have sent more often... I gotta find the printouts of the ML for the GeOS apps I wrote for my C-64... the disks have been bad for a few years now...

    --
  • It's been really nice working with you, Jason. If you ever need previous customer references, I'd be more than happy to be one for you. I hope you keep some ties with the LPPC project. You've been a great asset to it. Go out and take a vacation with Cassie. You both deserve it. Good luck buddy.

    Justin

    --

  • I appreciate it. Yes the trolls have gotten out of hand lately. It's not that I'm a karma whore but my karma is how I judge how good my comments are. If I haven't gone up a point or two in a week or so, I must not be spending much time thinking about what I'm writing and should do better.

    I emailed Taco man with a link to one of my two posts and asked him to take a look at it. Not that I'm asking for karma but because I wanted him to read my suggestions when he had time and to see the exact case of what's happened here. Sure he's probably seen it before but maybe he hasn't. So many threads happen so quickly, how can one or two people check and double check everyone else's work. That really the only bad thing about the moderating system. Good karma is awarded easily if you hit a on a good point with someone. If you don't please the first moderator though, they'll mark you down and most moderators will follow suit. No real checks and balances take place. Anyhow, that's my opinion. I could be wrong. Thanks again.

    --

  • Effect can be a verb too. I can "effect repair" of a device.

    no, you can "affect" repair of a device
  • I run LinuxPPC on an iMac at home, and while it has some way to go with regard to X-Windows performance, (The Rage Pro display drivers are dog-slow, even the allegedly 'accelerated' ones, causing excessive CPU-thrash when redrawing windows etc.) otherwise it runs really well.

    I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a Mac running LinuxPPC as a server or for running apps remotely.

    LinuxPPC does a great job supplying PPC-compiled packages, and while i have had issues with installing and upgrading systems, overall my impression is good.

    Once display drivers are available that work as well as the drivers on my x86 machines, it will make a pretty sweet little desktop workstation too.

  • No, RISC means Reduced Instruction Set Computing. Go check out Ditzel's (inventor of the RISC concept along with Hennessy & Patterson, later Transmeta founder) original paper of 1980. Also make sure you open that big Hennessy & Patterson book that has been lying (apparently) unopened on your shelf since you took Comp. Org.; and look up RISC again. Ironically your post deserves the "Misinformative" rating, too.
  • he is resigning from the company to pursue a college degree



    Geez, we used to BUY MBA's for our executives. He needs to get a better package.

  • No. The Complex/Reduced refers to the instruction set - RISC architectures tend to have an large number of registers and very simple instructions, CISC architectures have fewer registers and highly detailed, complex instructions.

    Take a Pentium MMX, which has single instructions to add and crossproduct floating point vectors but have only 16 or 18 primary registers and 8-16 floating point / mmx registers. Even something basic like the 8086 had DJNZ, one instruction capable of implementing most loops singlehandledly. (DJNZ = Decrement CX, Jump to immediate address if Non-Zero)

    In contrast, take the SPARC, which has 64 registers and a minimal instruction set (adds, multiplies, etc..)

    I can almost guarantee you these numbers are incorrect, since I've been up all night studying dataflow analysis for a compiler design final this morning. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I won't take it personally :)

    On the other hand, one of the problems in RISC architectures is you got a lot of incredibly similar CPUs that vary just enough to be impossible to support with a single code base. A good example of this is the MIPS processor - everyone and their mom implements it differently. I remember attending a talk from the woman who implemented the memory management system for VxWorks and hearing they had some amazingly huge number of different implementations and feature set definitions for MIPS processors.
  • by haggar ( 72771 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @05:25AM (#254448) Homepage Journal
    Yet another case to introduce -1, Misinformative. The post is not off topic, it's not a troll, it's not a flamebait. But the information it presents is simply completely wrong, and it baffles me that somebody actually cared to mod it up.
    I wouldn't want to moderate it as Overrated, either, because it would seem, to an uncareful meta-moderator, that I have some personal thing against the poster, which is really not the case.

    As someone already noted, RISC means Restricted Instruction Set Computer, not restricted number of registers. Said that, I am not willing to get into the debate whether LinuxPPC is or is not a good idea, due tothe difference between CISC and RISC architectures. I'll leave that to the experts.

  • by Ender Ryan ( 79406 ) <TOKYO minus city> on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @04:03AM (#254449) Journal
    And I'm sure being in a serious car accident and almost losing your life in the middle of it all probably doesn't help.

    Good luck to him in all his future ventures.

  • One would think, though, that someone would take these things into account when they do a port from one platform to another.

    the only things that deal with register allocation are gcc and the asm macros in the kernel.

  • A good example of this is the MIPS processor - everyone and their mom implements it differently. I remember attending a talk from the woman who implemented the memory management system for VxWorks and hearing they had some amazingly huge number of different implementations and feature set definitions for MIPS processors.

    the reason there are so many mips implimentations is cuz companies license soft cores that people redesign.

  • by intmainvoid ( 109559 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @03:02AM (#254452)
    Apple even suggests using PPC linux [apple.com] to build beowulf clusters from G4s [apple.com].
  • by tjwhaynes ( 114792 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @05:07AM (#254453)

    I often wonder how people manage to continously create some of the most useful open sourced products when they are not getting paid for it. Don't get me wrong I understand life isn't all about money, but you have to sometimes look at the realities of life, and you do need money to pay your bills.

    Yes - but most open source developers have normal paying jobs providing their income. The development of a lot of the software you see on Sourceforge and elsewhere is being created in their spare time - if you are in the software business because you love coding, it shouldn't be a surprise when people go home and create something of their own to tackle a problem, create a game, provide them with a better debugging environment or whatever, without the pressures of commercial development.

    Recently, there have been more companies providing salaries to fund development of particular open source projects - this speeds up the development process enormously, but it doesn't reduce the fact that people are still able to contribute their own skills to further these projects regardless of they are being paid by RedHat or Ximian or whoever. Don't think that Open Source development will disappear if all the commercial companies who contribute go out of business - it might grab less headlines, but it will go on.

    Cheers,

    Toby Haynes

  • True enough,

    After almost dying after my appendix ruptured and went untreated for a couple of days, and spending a month in the hospital not really too coherent, I gained an appreciation for a lot of things.

    Like waking up. And being able to walk and see the world around me as a whole human being. And enjoy seeing trees.. and generally everything I took for granted.

    While I still love computers.. It is very hard to not put your life in retrospect and ask yourself if these are my last few days would I rather have geeked out on bits and bytes or enjoyed feeling the Sun beat down on me, or hold my girlfriend close to me. Sure some people actaully love computers, but I think if your honest with yourself the answer is evident.

    Nothing will change your persepctive on life quicker than almost dying. I am usually smiling like a fool most of the time. It has helped me deal with a lot of pettiness in life. I dont mind just sitting in traffic listening to music anymore. I dunno, its a near religious experience for anyone involved with a near death accident. Its hard to really quantify what it is to each person but to me it is an appreciation for my brief glimmer of life I will have on Earth and trying to get as much enjoyment as I can.

    Jeremy

  • I was too weak to really hurt. I felt really bad because I had more anti-biotics that make you feel sick than you can think of.

    I did really really hurt when I threw up with a 4and a half inch cut on my stomach, owchie.

    But I had to have tubes in my stomach near the incision to drain off fluids, skin kinda holds onto things like that, that was the most extreme pain as they slooowly pulled the tubes out of my stomach... Worse than snapping my leg and seeing it visibly broken.

    Jeremy

  • by ejbst25 ( 130707 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @03:02AM (#254456) Homepage
    I wonder if he would partially attribute this decision to the accident he was involved in. It seems like events like that make us appreciate life... and, depending on your view, get out from behind your computer for a bit. :-)

    Good luck Jason!
  • by HerrGlock ( 141750 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @03:01AM (#254457) Homepage
    He finally figured out what is important. Yes, driven people tend to get things done, but a lot of them forget they have families and loved one and forget to spend time with them when available. LinuxPPC will continue and has a hell of a jump start thanks largely, if not entirely on Haas. Now he can get the rest of the college done and dabble in PPC AND have time for the important things in life, family and friends.

    Sometimes people forget that the really important things in life are their family and get focused on things that will continue after they are gone.

    For some of us, it took deployments and a war to figure that out. I'm glad he does have the time and chance to get to that conclusion.

    DanH
    Cav Pilot's Reference Page [cavalrypilot.com]
  • After everything Jason's been through I'm surprised he's stuck with it this long, but it's probably good for us Mac folk that he did. Even so, I think he deserves a round of applause -- recovering from a major car accident is no picnic (my dad went through something similar a couple of years ago) and let's hope the LinuxPPC world can carry on without him.

    /Brian
  • I agree with you. I modded up both of your posts after seeing your original labeled as "offtopic".

    It seems as though the trolls have gotten their rounds of moderation alot more than the rest lately. Although I am not a troll (I usually just come on and read articles/posts, I dont do much posting at all myself), I have gotten moderation points 3 seperate times within the past few days. So maybe the moderation system is messed up and giving the trolls too much power.
  • Even if he needs a flexible schedule to get things like school taken care of, you need his expertise. Who knows PPCs and UNIX better than this guy?

    No disrespect to Jason Haas, who is a nice guy and who has contributed enormously to Linux on the PowerPC, but this is a classic case of free software celebrity worship, similar to the notion that Jamie Zawinski singlehandedly wrote Navigator or that every icon and pixmap in a Gnome distribution is the work of tigert.

    I agree that Jason Haas would be a great hire for Aple because of his strong connections in the Mac and Linux worlds. But he's hardly a leading PowerPC Linux hacker, by any stretch.

    Unsettling MOTD at my ISP.

  • by 3G ( 220614 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @03:24AM (#254461)
    Hire this guy. Even if he needs a flexible schedule to get things like school taken care of, you need his expertise. Who knows PPCs and UNIX better than this guy?

    With OS X just now getting off the ground, it needs as much application support as it can get. Haaz has the know-how to take these excellent open source *NIX apps/utilities and make them fly on X. Hell, he single-handedly ported how many of them to PPC?

    Anyway, Jason- thanks so much for all your hard work over the years, and good luck to you in all your future endeavors.

  • Technology companies have had a business strategy of working their employees until the burn out, for years. It doesn't matter if it's a doc com that you have a stake in or a monsterous existing and stable company.

    It seems to me that this became a trend after the stabilization of the computer science coriculum at universities. Every industry seems to go through this cycle. An industry like the computer industry gets a tremendour boost by, say, the introduction of the PC, and a half a deckage goes by without there being an academic curiculum availagle to churn out reasonably qualified people, then as soon as that curiculum is in place, companies feel that they have a never ending supply of grist for the mill. The same is true for the rapid growth of the internet. With the advent of an easy interface to information (the web), growth is spurred, and qualified people are difficult to find. The academic community lags about half a decade behind, but as soon as a curiculim is developed - and I saw a TV ad for a trade school advertising "become a certified webmaster" yesterday - companies feel their is a never ending supply of talent out there.

    This leads to the companies working people to the bone and relying on the academic world to keep churning them out., not only does this have a negitive impact on the people thrust into these jobs with little or no exxperience, but it affacts the highly qualified personel as well. They are now forced to compete with those less experienced, and less qualified, on equal footing - because of course management doesn't understand what it takes to manage these technologies anyway, so they don't make the distinction between tradeschool graduates and truly experienced personel.

    Now lets see if I can reign this in and make it apply to Jason's situation. Well, there are those of us who truly enjoy our jobs and do the work for that reason alone. There are those whodo it because they have a large stake in the company, and there are those who do it to put food on the table. The problem is, the glut of truly unqualified people in the industry now, which are not recognized as un-qualified, allows companies to pressure everyone to do the 80 hour work week thing, just to compete.

    Jason was trying to make a business work. Most of us who are doing the same, have seen it get infinately harder to move his company forward in the industry, due in most part to corporate inability to understand that this industry is just like any other. It is now stable. It will always be there, and truly qualified staff are just as hard to come by as in any other industry.

    My best wishes to Jason in his new endevours, and congradulations on making a good choice!

    --CTH

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  • Haas explained he was burned out, and that "Three or four years of trying to do as much as humanly possible will do that to you."

    Maybe changing track is the real answer and that's what he seems to be doing. Good for him because some guys are so addicted to their work that once they leave it, they go through severe depression as they just don't seem to know what else to do, their previous addiction having left them good for nothing. They just drift around till they've had enough and go back to doing the same thing that is if they find their direction again, but many a times they just drift through life unable to go back or do anything else.

    It's high time people started finding solutions to this because now we are seeing many young retirees especially in the internet field -- these guys have made their money through hard work and now know there is nothing more to gain as of now and so are in retirement.

  • by Codeala ( 235477 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @03:25AM (#254464)

    Good for you Jason. Before anyone say LinuxPPC is dieing; I say that by the time you finish your degree, LinuxPPC will still be alive and kicking. And when you are recharged, I am sure we can expect more good things from you. Come back soon.

    On to some slighly OT comments about LinuxPPC in general...

    I feel that the Macs are often overlooked as a platform for Linux. I recently got a chance to install LinuxPPC on an old 9600 for various benchmarking. It is easy to install (and co-exist well with MacOS) and extremely reliable as you'd expect from Linux. Macs are not just for artists, they are real number crunching machins, especially the G3 and G4. And they look good while doing it :-)

    Forget OSX, "UNIX" is already on the Mac and it is called LinuxPPC.

    ====

  • I don't think JWZ's involved (or programmed) with Netscape Browser 4.x.

    I could be wrong.

  • What do you base that on?
    I have met this guy in real life. Jason Haaz is a real linux hacker, who are you to say otherwise?

    And JWZ did basicly write netscape.



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  • He said PPC Linux. I think there's a difference between LinuxPPC "and PPC Linux".
  • by Curien ( 267780 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @04:49AM (#254468)
    The C in CISC stands for complex. The R in RISC for reduced. Wouldn't the register rich chip have more then the register poor?

    Yes, but the "IS" in both acronyms stands for "instruction set". The PowerPC registers [apple.com] far outnumber the i386 registers [apple.com].

    One would think, though, that someone would take these things into account when they do a port from one platform to another.
  • Why did this story get put in the Apple topic category? Sure the majority of users use LinuxPPC on Apple hardware but it also runs on RS/6000s and other PPC boxes. I think this shows ignorance on the part of Slashdot. This story belong in the "Linux" category!
  • by deran9ed ( 300694 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2001 @03:27AM (#254470) Homepage

    Recently I was on IRC when this guy was beefing about paying for the CD of OpenBSD when he could just download it instead of having the ISO, not neccessarily related but hear me out. I argued with this guy for a few minutes pointing out the fact that developers often create these OS' on their own spare time, and $30.00 is relatively cheap considering most Open Sourced operating systems are heaven compared with others.

    I often wonder how people manage to continously create some of the most useful open sourced products when they are not getting paid for it. Don't get me wrong I understand life isn't all about money, but you have to sometimes look at the realities of life, and you do need money to pay your bills.

    To all the open source developers most of us appreciate your works extremely much, and for the majority of us who do understand life as it is, I know speaking for myself I would rather purchase a CD every here and there to support you as much as I can. Maybe its time many start looking into ways of recognizing the developers of the products they're using, and assist them with anything they can, even a dollar helps.

    It keeps developers who are under tough times semi compensated when times can go rough for them, as well as provides incentive to create better work. Think about that for a quick second. If you were in the opposite person's shoes you would hope someone would do the same for you.

    Sadly I hope these layoffs/out of business/quittings/etc don't affect the overall Open Source segment in the long run. Maybe its time most Open Source developers start using Pay Pal for tips on their sites. I know I would kick in between 5-10$ for products I use. Multiply that by about 2000 others and you have a nice little salary for a side job.

    hellraiser [antioffline.com]

  • I know what you mean. Back in the fall of 2000 I got a extremely severe case of ulcerative colitis. After nearly bleeding to death(for your lunch's sake, I won't go into detail on that), I was brought into Beth Israel here in Boston. The doctors tried another form of medication, immuno-supressents(yes, they do what the name implies. They screw your immune system), which failed, the decision was made to remove my colon altogether(I was, and still am 20 years old, too).

    I was recovering in the hospital recovering for about 2 more weeks, and was discharged on nov 23rd, right before Thanksgiving. It's amazing how it felt to get out of the hospital. 2nd maybe only to the fact that even though I now lack a large intestines, I do not have a colostomy bag(reworked internal plumbing). Anyways, after the whole experience, I did appriacate life more. heh, guess you can only truly appriacate life after nearly dying.

    Oh, and the surgery didn't hurt....that is, until I woke up afterwards;)
    -Henry
  • This is just a note to hallmark.... "I was the first person to think about introducing a line of sympathy cards for those who are victims of dot-bomb syndromes, and related demises."

    How about:

    Sorry to hear your job...

    ... was not all it was hacked up to be.

    Enjoy "The Road Ahead."

  • by MSBob ( 307239 )
    I wanted to do exactly that. The problem for me is financing such a pursuit. An alternative might be to take a pay cut and get a job in academia. This is usually a more feasible option for most.

    Anyways, good luck to you and enjoy your course.

  • Jason Haas has contributed in the developement of LinuxPPC and Linux for PowerPC Distro. He will be surely be missed!
    +++
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  • So is he going back to school to get a degree in Botany? (or maybe to teach the profs.)

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