Also remember this is from unnamed sources and not official. It could all be speculation. Many times these reports are not correct as Apple might be working on something that does not make it to a product.
Why not allow both? We're both speculating, but they gain nothing by removing USB-C charging and then can sell Apple branded battery packs down the road or at least say they support it. Tim Cook's apple seems more open to playing nicely with others.
Magsafe was awesome. Everyone loved it. It worked precisely as designed, produced less wear and tear from daily proper usage, and has saved MANY laptops. Not only was it effective, it just 'felt' cool to hear that snap when you got the cable close enough.
I would love to see them keep the same brick, but introduce a new USB-C to magsafe3 cable. Their base would go nuts.
If I were apple, I would be more concerned about the early wear and tear on the warrantied laptops USB-C produces. Apple is arguably more a luxury goods provider than a hardware provider. I think charger cables are small fries in profitability, so they don't gain much by forcing you to use a proprietary charger. They gain more by not having to service dropped laptops as well as the sales factor of people seeing shiny, new macbook pros owned by their friends and wanting to buy one themselves. That is greatly diminished if your friend's macbook has battle scars: scrapes, dents, gashes.
That is why I am hopeful, they will play nice and produce a USB-C to magsafe and still allow USB charging, call it innovation, and let the 3rd party manufacturers fill the gaps needed, like battery packs, chargers, etc.
Not everyone. In my opinion it fell off too easily. And like most Apple products of the time, the cable had no strain relief whatsoever so the cable would split and break next to the connector.
It's a neat solution but I can't recall ever tripping on a laptop power cable. Spinning hard drives are rare to find in laptops now, so there is much less chance of breakage even if a device does fall off a desk.
Magsafe was awesome. Everyone loved it. It worked precisely as designed, produced less wear and tear from daily proper usage, and has saved MANY laptops.
Never heard anyone saying his laptop broke because of lack of magsafe. Never.
Not only was it effective, it just 'felt' cool to hear that snap when you got the cable close enough.
Can't argue with you here. Typical Apple user I guess. The real reason to use Apple is because of how it feels. It doesn't matter how crappy or overpriced the product is, as long as it feels good.
Never heard anyone saying his laptop broke because of lack of magsafe. Never.
And yet, broken power jacks are one of the most common problems in laptops. Enough so that many teardowns see if the power jack is soldered to a circuit board or plugs into the motherboard because it's a common replacement item.
And there are countless examples where someone has tripped over a power cable and sent the attached laptop to the floor.
I've even seen it done by the presenter at a seminar.
The real reason to use a Mac is: it runs Unix out of the box.
99% of Apple users couldn't care less about Unix and never use the terminal on their Mac. Not sure there is even one on iOS, or anything left from Unix accessible to the end user.
Never heard anyone saying his laptop broke because of lack of magsafe. Never.
If you've never seen a laptop or any device fall because someone tripped on a cable, I would guess you haven't used it very often near kids, in airports, conference rooms at conventions or large companies, dogs, even my cat, and especially my wife.
My wife drops hers all the time. It's a serious risk if you use one on a couch or bed. Also, with kids and dogs running around, you get up, place it on the coffee table and someone runs near it and sends it on the floor. Only adults who are paying attention te
Never heard anyone saying his laptop broke because of lack of magsafe. Never.
If you've never seen a laptop or any device fall because someone tripped on a cable, I would guess you haven't used it very often near kids, in airports, conference rooms at conventions or large companies, dogs, even my cat, and especially my wife.
I do that all the time, yes. Except being near your cat and wife.
You know most of big tech uses Apple laptops, right? For me, it's my programming workstation issued by my employer.
Even if it were true, it doesn't make it the typical Apple user. Apple's market share in the corporate world is even lower than its global share.
the best selling laptop
Again not sure if it really is the single best selling laptop (which one? the Mac Book Air?), but given it probably has something like 5% of the market, I don't see what is your point. That the competition (non-Apple PC makers) is healthy and divided between many different brands and models people can
Some people are happy paying more for a better product. Some people are happy paying less for a "good enough" product. That's market segmentation, and people in both segments are both right, for what they want.
The problem with Apple is that many people would can't afford it spend way too much money on iDevices. As a shareholder, I'm glad. But from a society perspective I find it pathetic.
The only problem I've run into with MagSafe, is that after a 2 years or so (or actually depending on the environment you have it in), it seems to stop working. What is happening is that there is just enough dust and lint in the MagSafe connector in the MacBook that it won't charge. Sometimes the light won't turn green. My employer bought a few replacement MagSafe plugs and they worked just a few weeks and failed. Then we noticed the dust, we used one of those air blowers used to clean keyboards on the MagSa
Why not allow both? We're both speculating, but they gain nothing by removing USB-C charging
My prediction, because it's such an obvious thing to do, is that Apple will offer a Magsafe connector - but in the middle of the Magsafe connector on the laptop, will also be a USB-C port. So you could charge either with the Magsafe cable, or a standard USB-C cable, and also the Magsafe port is not taking up one of the USB-C slots when you are not charging.
There are a number of companies selling things somewhat like this - adapters so that you plug a magnetic connector into USB-c on your laptop, then use a cable that's magnetic on the end. It's a bit of a hassle because there's a thing sticking out the side of your otherwise nice looking laptop, and a random little adapter to keep track of if you take it out.
What would be ideal (IMO) would be that there's one magnetic connector that's power + everything else, and then a few USB-c connectors just like now. So
Yes, that would be best if the magnetic connector could hook up a whole dock of all other connectors, almost like a custom USB-C port that could also support faster charging or maybe even multiple USB-C buses (not sure what the proper term for that would be)..
Oh yes, I remember the magsafe proprietary chargers that cost well over $100 CAD and that broke constantly. Awesome!
I'll stick to standards, thanks. USB-C is just fine. If you want magsafe, here you go: https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=usb+c+magnetic+charging+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
I moved off an iPhone to a Samsung phone that used USB-C... I then needed to buy a set of charging options that Used USB-C because I had USB-A and Micro-USB charging options with all my other technology.
Now granted I got my wife a new laptop, which had USB-C charging, so Now if my phone needs a Charge I can use her laptops charger, which is nice... However the question is when I get new devices in the next 4-8 years will USB-C still be common, or would there be USB-D or companies all decided to go back to
In the 20 years before that I guess you had the ADB connector.
Even that wasn't proprietary. Mechanically, it was a commonly available connector that wasn't designed specifically for Apple (and, in fact, was also broadly used for S-Video on a large number of TVs, VCRs, camcorders, and DVD players) In fact, Apple wasn't even the only company that manufactured computers and keyboards/mice that used ADB. NeXT also did (for many years).
Of course, to be pedantic, Apple is currently the only company that ever manufactured any computers that use ADB, because it owns the on
Apple tends to introduce proprietary connectors when the standards aren't good enough. For example, in the olden days when networking was insanely expensive and fragile, Apple built it in standard into all their computers, making network super-cheap, using a connector Apple invented. Then when Ethernet got cheap, they eliminated the proprietary connector and used Ethernet. Same deal with ADB getting replaced by USB. And their display connectors. And so on. Yes, Apple does proprietary things to be better tha
Oh yeah! I forgot about those. I actually still have a box of AppleTalk adapters (not sure what their name is), some of which used phone lines for networking, and, IIRC, some of which used rj45 cable.
Magsafe and iPod/Lightning are the only connectors that Apple has used in the last 20 years. Maybe there was a Mac in 2000 that still had an ADB connector? Not sure.
You and another commenter reminded me of LocalTalk/AppleTalk. That was such a great networking setup. Made it super easy to transition to 10bt and TCP/IP as that evolved. Far easier than Win3.1 and Trumpet Winsock at the same time.
I am very glad I live in a country where a largely unaccountable central government doesn't control minutia like wha
Magsafe and iPod/Lightning are the only connectors that Apple has used in the last 20 years.
MagSafe and Lightning predate USB-C so it's not like Apple had some standard to follow.
Before MagSafe it seemed every model of laptop had it's own power connector specific to that model. MagSafe made a standard that was common among multiple Models. This changed slightly with the introduction of MagSafe2 but a simple adapter allowed compatibility between the two.
There were some "universal" laptop power supplies on the market that had a high probability to charging many popular brands and models of laptops
I realize I am responding late, but I thought you might get a kick out of this.
At work I have a closet with old macs in it (we've actually needed to access old files that are only only weird media several times in the last decade).
I have one of the Blue&White Power Mac G3s, with an ADB port (and two firewire ports, Ethernet, 2 USB, built-in modem, mic in and audio out, VGA on an expansion card, SCSI on an expansion card, and Ultra2 SCSI on a different expansion card), and a manufacture date of 2/1999. N
It'll still have USB-C ports. There are other things to hate Apple about but I don't think this is one of them. MagSafe is one of the feature that I miss from my previous MacBook Pro.
Well, for power connectors, the PC world didn't have standards for laptops either. Even from the same manufacturer you'd have multiple types of chargers, different voltage levels, etc.
The magnetic connector for the Mac has had more than one style as well, as it shrunk on one occasion at least; though I have seen a simple (tiny) adapter being used so that you could keep the old power supply.
Don't pretend that other laptop makers don't also make their power bricks proprietary. Apple is actually pretty good about opening up their ecosystem to 3rd party manufacturers. I was able to replace my MBP's power brick with a $30 unit off Amazon.
Also OG Magsafe was one of those things that Apple just knocked out of the park. It was a shame when they discontinued it for USB-C. It'd be really cool if they could find a way to support both technologies.
Apple just can't stand to have a standard connector on any of their products. Can't have people buying inexpensive, non-Apple accessories.
When Apple switched from MagSafe to standard USB-C Charging, the entire planet screeched and moaned, lamenting the cruel removal of that most-beloved feature.
Now you are whining that it may require a return to a proprietary power connector?!? Make up my mind, willya!!!
So long as they continue to support USB-C charging, then who cares if they also allow MagSafe with a proprietary connector? Could that new MagSafe connector just be the power pins from USB-C, to simplify internal circuitry?
Only through hard work and perseverance can one truly suffer.
Proprietary or Nothing (Score:5, Interesting)
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Now they just have to invent some.
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Why not both? (Score:5, Interesting)
Magsafe was awesome. Everyone loved it. It worked precisely as designed, produced less wear and tear from daily proper usage, and has saved MANY laptops. Not only was it effective, it just 'felt' cool to hear that snap when you got the cable close enough.
I would love to see them keep the same brick, but introduce a new USB-C to magsafe3 cable. Their base would go nuts.
If I were apple, I would be more concerned about the early wear and tear on the warrantied laptops USB-C produces. Apple is arguably more a luxury goods provider than a hardware provider. I think charger cables are small fries in profitability, so they don't gain much by forcing you to use a proprietary charger. They gain more by not having to service dropped laptops as well as the sales factor of people seeing shiny, new macbook pros owned by their friends and wanting to buy one themselves. That is greatly diminished if your friend's macbook has battle scars: scrapes, dents, gashes.
That is why I am hopeful, they will play nice and produce a USB-C to magsafe and still allow USB charging, call it innovation, and let the 3rd party manufacturers fill the gaps needed, like battery packs, chargers, etc.
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Magsafe was awesome. Everyone loved it.
Not everyone. In my opinion it fell off too easily. And like most Apple products of the time, the cable had no strain relief whatsoever so the cable would split and break next to the connector.
It's a neat solution but I can't recall ever tripping on a laptop power cable. Spinning hard drives are rare to find in laptops now, so there is much less chance of breakage even if a device does fall off a desk.
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And like most Apple products of the time, the cable had no strain relief whatsoever so the cable would split and break next to the connector.
I'm starting to think I'm the only person on the planet who never had this problem... Lucky me!
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Magsafe was awesome. Everyone loved it. It worked precisely as designed, produced less wear and tear from daily proper usage, and has saved MANY laptops.
Never heard anyone saying his laptop broke because of lack of magsafe. Never.
Not only was it effective, it just 'felt' cool to hear that snap when you got the cable close enough.
Can't argue with you here. Typical Apple user I guess. The real reason to use Apple is because of how it feels. It doesn't matter how crappy or overpriced the product is, as long as it feels good.
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And yet, broken power jacks are one of the most common problems in laptops. Enough so that many teardowns see if the power jack is soldered to a circuit board or plugs into the motherboard because it's a common replacement item.
And there are countless examples where someone has tripped over a power cable and sent the attached laptop to the floor.
I've even seen it done by the presenter at a seminar.
Anyhow, there's nothing to say App
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And yet, broken power jacks are one of the most common problems in laptops. [...]And there are countless examples where someone has tripped over a
So common I have never heard about it.
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The real reason to use a Mac is: it runs Unix out of the box.
No idea why you are an Apple Users Hater, though.
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The real reason to use a Mac is: it runs Unix out of the box.
99% of Apple users couldn't care less about Unix and never use the terminal on their Mac. Not sure there is even one on iOS, or anything left from Unix accessible to the end user.
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Your iOS critics you could extend to Android.
Most if not all laptop/desktop users I know, actually do use the terminal. And that again, actually, has nothing to do with unix or not.
Macs run on Unix, so do basically all Apple devices, even the watches. No idea what there is to argue about.
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I was not criticizing iOS. I was criticizing your claim that the "real reason to use a Mac" is because it runs Unix.
Newflash : nobody buys an Android because it runs Linux is also true.
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For most apple users, it is :D
No idea about android users, I guess many simply try to find a phone with good price/performance ratio. However many are moving to true linux phones.
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For most apple users, it is :D
No, it isn't. Most Apple users don't even know what Unix is.
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No, it isn't. Most Apple users don't even know what Unix is.
Butter know what Windows is?
Sersously, why shame people you have no ida about?
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what's your point? Yes, most people know what Windows is and most people do not know what Unix is. And this is also true for Apple users.
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And I'm convinced you are wrong :P As most Apple users are software developers, oops. That was actually pretty clear or not?
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As most Apple users are software developers
wrong again
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Actually: nope.
Even if it is only 51% (which it is not): I'm right, pfft.
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yes, but if it's like 10-15% (much more likely), then you are wrong
Mabye you have not been around kids, dogs or wives (Score:2)
Never heard anyone saying his laptop broke because of lack of magsafe. Never.
If you've never seen a laptop or any device fall because someone tripped on a cable, I would guess you haven't used it very often near kids, in airports, conference rooms at conventions or large companies, dogs, even my cat, and especially my wife. My wife drops hers all the time. It's a serious risk if you use one on a couch or bed. Also, with kids and dogs running around, you get up, place it on the coffee table and someone runs near it and sends it on the floor. Only adults who are paying attention te
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Never heard anyone saying his laptop broke because of lack of magsafe. Never.
If you've never seen a laptop or any device fall because someone tripped on a cable, I would guess you haven't used it very often near kids, in airports, conference rooms at conventions or large companies, dogs, even my cat, and especially my wife.
I do that all the time, yes. Except being near your cat and wife.
You know most of big tech uses Apple laptops, right? For me, it's my programming workstation issued by my employer.
Even if it were true, it doesn't make it the typical Apple user. Apple's market share in the corporate world is even lower than its global share.
the best selling laptop
Again not sure if it really is the single best selling laptop (which one? the Mac Book Air?), but given it probably has something like 5% of the market, I don't see what is your point. That the competition (non-Apple PC makers) is healthy and divided between many different brands and models people can
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Some people are happy paying more for a better product. Some people are happy paying less for a "good enough" product. That's market segmentation, and people in both segments are both right, for what they want.
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The problem with Apple is that many people would can't afford it spend way too much money on iDevices. As a shareholder, I'm glad. But from a society perspective I find it pathetic.
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Why not really have both... (Score:1)
Why not allow both? We're both speculating, but they gain nothing by removing USB-C charging
My prediction, because it's such an obvious thing to do, is that Apple will offer a Magsafe connector - but in the middle of the Magsafe connector on the laptop, will also be a USB-C port. So you could charge either with the Magsafe cable, or a standard USB-C cable, and also the Magsafe port is not taking up one of the USB-C slots when you are not charging.
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There are a number of companies selling things somewhat like this - adapters so that you plug a magnetic connector into USB-c on your laptop, then use a cable that's magnetic on the end. It's a bit of a hassle because there's a thing sticking out the side of your otherwise nice looking laptop, and a random little adapter to keep track of if you take it out.
What would be ideal (IMO) would be that there's one magnetic connector that's power + everything else, and then a few USB-c connectors just like now. So
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Yes, that would be best if the magnetic connector could hook up a whole dock of all other connectors, almost like a custom USB-C port that could also support faster charging or maybe even multiple USB-C buses (not sure what the proper term for that would be)..
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Oh yes, I remember the magsafe proprietary chargers that cost well over $100 CAD and that broke constantly. Awesome!
I'll stick to standards, thanks. USB-C is just fine. If you want magsafe, here you go:
https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=usb+c+magnetic+charging+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
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I moved off an iPhone to a Samsung phone that used USB-C... I then needed to buy a set of charging options that Used USB-C because I had USB-A and Micro-USB charging options with all my other technology.
Now granted I got my wife a new laptop, which had USB-C charging, so Now if my phone needs a Charge I can use her laptops charger, which is nice... However the question is when I get new devices in the next 4-8 years will USB-C still be common, or would there be USB-D or companies all decided to go back to
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What a stupid comment. The only -- literally, the ONLY -- proprietary connectors Apple has used in the last 20 years are:
iPod connector (and its successor the Lightning connector)
Pre-USB-C charging cables (which were amazing)
In the 20 years before that I guess you had the ADB connector.
Beyond that Apple's laptops and desktops have had a greater array of standard I/O connectors than most PCs.
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In the 20 years before that I guess you had the ADB connector.
Even that wasn't proprietary. Mechanically, it was a commonly available connector that wasn't designed specifically for Apple (and, in fact, was also broadly used for S-Video on a large number of TVs, VCRs, camcorders, and DVD players) In fact, Apple wasn't even the only company that manufactured computers and keyboards/mice that used ADB. NeXT also did (for many years).
Of course, to be pedantic, Apple is currently the only company that ever manufactured any computers that use ADB, because it owns the on
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Apple tends to introduce proprietary connectors when the standards aren't good enough. For example, in the olden days when networking was insanely expensive and fragile, Apple built it in standard into all their computers, making network super-cheap, using a connector Apple invented. Then when Ethernet got cheap, they eliminated the proprietary connector and used Ethernet. Same deal with ADB getting replaced by USB. And their display connectors. And so on. Yes, Apple does proprietary things to be better tha
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Oh yeah! I forgot about those. I actually still have a box of AppleTalk adapters (not sure what their name is), some of which used phone lines for networking, and, IIRC, some of which used rj45 cable.
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Magsafe and iPod/Lightning are the only connectors that Apple has used in the last 20 years. Maybe there was a Mac in 2000 that still had an ADB connector? Not sure.
You and another commenter reminded me of LocalTalk/AppleTalk. That was such a great networking setup. Made it super easy to transition to 10bt and TCP/IP as that evolved. Far easier than Win3.1 and Trumpet Winsock at the same time.
I am very glad I live in a country where a largely unaccountable central government doesn't control minutia like wha
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Magsafe and iPod/Lightning are the only connectors that Apple has used in the last 20 years.
MagSafe and Lightning predate USB-C so it's not like Apple had some standard to follow.
Before MagSafe it seemed every model of laptop had it's own power connector specific to that model. MagSafe made a standard that was common among multiple Models. This changed slightly with the introduction of MagSafe2 but a simple adapter allowed compatibility between the two.
There were some "universal" laptop power supplies on the market that had a high probability to charging many popular brands and models of laptops
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I realize I am responding late, but I thought you might get a kick out of this.
At work I have a closet with old macs in it (we've actually needed to access old files that are only only weird media several times in the last decade).
I have one of the Blue&White Power Mac G3s, with an ADB port (and two firewire ports, Ethernet, 2 USB, built-in modem, mic in and audio out, VGA on an expansion card, SCSI on an expansion card, and Ultra2 SCSI on a different expansion card), and a manufacture date of 2/1999. N
Why not both? (Score:2)
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Well, for power connectors, the PC world didn't have standards for laptops either. Even from the same manufacturer you'd have multiple types of chargers, different voltage levels, etc.
The magnetic connector for the Mac has had more than one style as well, as it shrunk on one occasion at least; though I have seen a simple (tiny) adapter being used so that you could keep the old power supply.
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Don't pretend that other laptop makers don't also make their power bricks proprietary. Apple is actually pretty good about opening up their ecosystem to 3rd party manufacturers. I was able to replace my MBP's power brick with a $30 unit off Amazon.
Also OG Magsafe was one of those things that Apple just knocked out of the park. It was a shame when they discontinued it for USB-C. It'd be really cool if they could find a way to support both technologies.
Re: Proprietary or Nothing (Score:2)
Apple just can't stand to have a standard connector on any of their products. Can't have people buying inexpensive, non-Apple accessories.
When Apple switched from MagSafe to standard USB-C Charging, the entire planet screeched and moaned, lamenting the cruel removal of that most-beloved feature.
Now you are whining that it may require a return to a proprietary power connector?!? Make up my mind, willya!!!
So long as they continue to support USB-C charging, then who cares if they also allow MagSafe with a proprietary connector? Could that new MagSafe connector just be the power pins from USB-C, to simplify internal circuitry?