Here is a cost based analysis of building ARM-chips themselves versus buying from Intel. Net-net, they save $2B + (and this analysis does not include the RAM costs)
https://medium.com/@sumitg_168... [medium.com]
Non upgradable RAM, mid range performance for high end prices...
Apple, as we all know, does "value" based pricing, not cost-up. And value = brand, apps, ease of use, etc. They are not optimizing for folks who want upgradable RAM, etc. From apple's perspective, those folks can buy the high-end MacBooks... And $40B in revenue per year suggests their product strategy is working.
You are 100% right about value-based pricing, but slashdot readers have never understood and will never understand that. This is a crowd that thinks computers should be priced be weighing the silicon, metal, and plastic that goes into their production and charging a flat rate plus 5% markup.
Funny you say that because it's actually the exact opposite. Those who use real tools out in the field generally pay substantially more for overall value. Go ask a mechanic why they pay so much more to use Snap-On or Mac instead of Craftsman. Go see how many carpenters prefer the lower cost of Black and Decker over Bosch, Milwaukie, or DeWalt. Check on the mountain climbers who prefer carabineers that are priced based on the cost of the alloy+ a 5% mark-up.
but slashdot readers have never understood and will never understand that
Oh no Slashdot understands that. Why do you think so many people here mock Apple "fanbois" chasing new shiny things. That's what value based means, and it's a stupid way to buy a tool.
Perhaps this is the case. But IBM allows their employees to buy the computer they prefer. What they found out is that the Macs cost on average about $500 (I think this is the right figure, it is about that) less than the PC. They do account for support costs over time, not just the purchase price. So perhaps those "fanbois" chasing shiny things know something that you don't. There is real value in a Mac - it may not be easy to identify (e.g. via benchmarks) but it is there, and provably so at least for the
The complaint is that 'value' in the Apple territory is dubious, as they are more focused on being more like a designer brand and exploiting it at the expense of their capabilities.
It's frustrating to see such a prominent player blatantly milking their base to mostly the manufacturers benefit without so much actual value to the customer. Here for example they aren't going to get much value in the laptop space but they will inconvenience their customers and improve their margins by reducing their costs whil
Marvelous! The super-user's going to boot me!
What a finely tuned response to the situation!
Cost based analysis also is awesome for Apple (Score:5, Informative)
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How about a cost benefit analysis for the buyer?
Non upgradable RAM, mid range performance for high end prices...
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How about a cost benefit analysis for the buyer?
Non upgradable RAM, mid range performance for high end prices...
Apple, as we all know, does "value" based pricing, not cost-up. And value = brand, apps, ease of use, etc. They are not optimizing for folks who want upgradable RAM, etc. From apple's perspective, those folks can buy the high-end MacBooks ... And $40B in revenue per year suggests their product strategy is working.
Re:Cost based analysis also is awesome for Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
You are 100% right about value-based pricing, but slashdot readers have never understood and will never understand that. This is a crowd that thinks computers should be priced be weighing the silicon, metal, and plastic that goes into their production and charging a flat rate plus 5% markup.
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Yes, that's exactly the mentality of a person who treats a product as a tool, not a toy.
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Funny you say that because it's actually the exact opposite. Those who use real tools out in the field generally pay substantially more for overall value. Go ask a mechanic why they pay so much more to use Snap-On or Mac instead of Craftsman. Go see how many carpenters prefer the lower cost of Black and Decker over Bosch, Milwaukie, or DeWalt. Check on the mountain climbers who prefer carabineers that are priced based on the cost of the alloy+ a 5% mark-up.
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but slashdot readers have never understood and will never understand that
Oh no Slashdot understands that. Why do you think so many people here mock Apple "fanbois" chasing new shiny things. That's what value based means, and it's a stupid way to buy a tool.
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Perhaps this is the case. But IBM allows their employees to buy the computer they prefer. What they found out is that the Macs cost on average about $500 (I think this is the right figure, it is about that) less than the PC. They do account for support costs over time, not just the purchase price. So perhaps those "fanbois" chasing shiny things know something that you don't. There is real value in a Mac - it may not be easy to identify (e.g. via benchmarks) but it is there, and provably so at least for the
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The complaint is that 'value' in the Apple territory is dubious, as they are more focused on being more like a designer brand and exploiting it at the expense of their capabilities.
It's frustrating to see such a prominent player blatantly milking their base to mostly the manufacturers benefit without so much actual value to the customer. Here for example they aren't going to get much value in the laptop space but they will inconvenience their customers and improve their margins by reducing their costs whil