If Apple goes thru with this, I will stop buying macbook pros for myself and stop my employer from buying them. That would be roughly 4000 purchases every 3 years.
If Apple goes thru with this, I will stop buying macbook pros for myself and stop my employer from buying them. That would be roughly 4000 purchases every 3 years.
Perhaps you could explain your reasoning? Abandoning the OS would be far more difficult for most people than abandoning the underlying CPU architecture.
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Saturday June 27, 2020 @12:31AM (#60233252)
There are some pretty obvious downsides that have been made public already. No bootcamp. No native VMs. Having to re-buy all the existing applications. That's on top of all the other negative changes that have been made to Mac laptops over the last several years like non-upgradeable memory and SSDs, the touchbar, the butterfly keyboard (which they reversed after THREE YEARS of it being apparent what a clusterfuck it is). From a software side the OS is pretty damn locked down, can't install third party drivers anymore, and almost all the Unixy software is badly out of date. Basically for the last several years when Apple announces a new MacOS my question is - what are they taking away, not what are they adding. Because I cannot think of a single useful thing they have added in years and I'm speaking as a developer. I think they added some API back in High Sierra that I used once?? Dunno.
There were times that Apple felt it had to compete on price with PCs, that is not happening right now. You get to pay out the ass for all of what I said. And for what tangible benefit? OP was talking as a corporate IT department where the benefits of MacOS are slight. As a company everything runs in Chrome or is available on Windows.
Nobody cares if ARM is slightly more efficient than a Ryzen laptop.
There are some pretty obvious downsides that have been made public already. No bootcamp. No native VMs. Having to re-buy all the existing applications. That's on top of all the other negative changes that have been made to Mac laptops over the last several years like non-upgradeable memory and SSDs, the touchbar, the butterfly keyboard (which they reversed after THREE YEARS of it being apparent what a clusterfuck it is). From a software side the OS is pretty damn locked down, can't install third party drivers anymore, and almost all the Unixy software is badly out of date. Basically for the last several years when Apple announces a new MacOS my question is - what are they taking away, not what are they adding. Because I cannot think of a single useful thing they have added in years and I'm speaking as a developer. I think they added some API back in High Sierra that I used once?? Dunno.
There were times that Apple felt it had to compete on price with PCs, that is not happening right now. You get to pay out the ass for all of what I said. And for what tangible benefit? OP was talking as a corporate IT department where the benefits of MacOS are slight. As a company everything runs in Chrome or is available on Windows.
Nobody cares if ARM is slightly more efficient than a Ryzen laptop.
Why do you have to re-buy existing applications? I use the Apple media suite (Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro) and I 100% expect to just be able to sign into my account on a future ARM machine and continue using them. I expect other apps like Ableton to allow me to transfer my license to a new machine as well.
I seem to recall some controversy with Final Cut Pro where an update broke a ton of older project files, and Apple's response was basically, "deal with it."
Don't 100% expect anything.
It's not an optical illusion, it just looks like one.
-- Phil White
I'm out... (Score:3, Interesting)
If Apple goes thru with this, I will stop buying macbook pros for myself and stop my employer from buying them. That would be roughly 4000 purchases every 3 years.
Re: (Score:2)
If Apple goes thru with this, I will stop buying macbook pros for myself and stop my employer from buying them. That would be roughly 4000 purchases every 3 years.
Perhaps you could explain your reasoning? Abandoning the OS would be far more difficult for most people than abandoning the underlying CPU architecture.
uh, no bootcamp? (Score:1)
There are some pretty obvious downsides that have been made public already. No bootcamp. No native VMs. Having to re-buy all the existing applications. That's on top of all the other negative changes that have been made to Mac laptops over the last several years like non-upgradeable memory and SSDs, the touchbar, the butterfly keyboard (which they reversed after THREE YEARS of it being apparent what a clusterfuck it is). From a software side the OS is pretty damn locked down, can't install third party drivers anymore, and almost all the Unixy software is badly out of date. Basically for the last several years when Apple announces a new MacOS my question is - what are they taking away, not what are they adding. Because I cannot think of a single useful thing they have added in years and I'm speaking as a developer. I think they added some API back in High Sierra that I used once?? Dunno.
There were times that Apple felt it had to compete on price with PCs, that is not happening right now. You get to pay out the ass for all of what I said. And for what tangible benefit? OP was talking as a corporate IT department where the benefits of MacOS are slight. As a company everything runs in Chrome or is available on Windows.
Nobody cares if ARM is slightly more efficient than a Ryzen laptop.
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There are some pretty obvious downsides that have been made public already. No bootcamp. No native VMs. Having to re-buy all the existing applications. That's on top of all the other negative changes that have been made to Mac laptops over the last several years like non-upgradeable memory and SSDs, the touchbar, the butterfly keyboard (which they reversed after THREE YEARS of it being apparent what a clusterfuck it is). From a software side the OS is pretty damn locked down, can't install third party drivers anymore, and almost all the Unixy software is badly out of date. Basically for the last several years when Apple announces a new MacOS my question is - what are they taking away, not what are they adding. Because I cannot think of a single useful thing they have added in years and I'm speaking as a developer. I think they added some API back in High Sierra that I used once?? Dunno.
There were times that Apple felt it had to compete on price with PCs, that is not happening right now. You get to pay out the ass for all of what I said. And for what tangible benefit? OP was talking as a corporate IT department where the benefits of MacOS are slight. As a company everything runs in Chrome or is available on Windows.
Nobody cares if ARM is slightly more efficient than a Ryzen laptop.
No amd64 docker.
Re:uh, no bootcamp? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:uh, no bootcamp? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hoping whatever AU plugins you use come over as easily too.
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I seem to recall some controversy with Final Cut Pro where an update broke a ton of older project files, and Apple's response was basically, "deal with it."
Don't 100% expect anything.