Apple is not in the business of free speech, they're in the business of making money. If censoring one song means they can keep making money, they will.
Companies are required to obey the law. Apple didn't make the law requiring certain terms and topics to be censored in China, but they are required to obey it, just like they are required to obey censorship laws in other countries, including America.
It is not the job of western corporations to "fix" China. That is up to the Chinese.
Google complied with Chinese law by ceasing to do business in China. I imagine that opponents of censorship would prefer that Apple follow suit.
Good luck if anyone expects apple to choose morals when sales are on the line. And I don't think apple would be willing to risk all that sweet, sweet sweatshop labour.
Leaving China DOES do something to help solve China's problems, by demonstrating that major international corporations will refuse to do business will a genocidal tyrannical regime.
Staying in China and helping the government censor does not only not help fix China's problems, it makes them worse! It's anti-helping!
Wisdom comes in recognizing the consequences of actions. You either lack it, or you're another loser pro-China troll (which is much the same thing).
China doesn't need apple, but apple wants a chance to drain China economic resources into apples international holding s.
All companies are clamoring to do business with China because they are worried that China well leave them behind.
I just can't stand the idea of a country that is doing economically well not funneling it into their bank accounts.
U.s. is huge you think there's plenty enough money to be made here why do they even need to go to China.
Apple is just being greedy.they already make enough to
There is no "moral" choice, because Apple's actions are not going to change anything either way.
That is a terribly ignorant attempt to defend the actions of a for-profit corporation. Clearly they make the situation worse by providing yet another platform that is controlled by the government, that is why Apple datacenters for the chinese market are in China, that's also why they are censoring any kind of anti-government media at the will of the ruling party.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
The problem is not that Apple lacks courage, but that you lack wisdom.
There's also a difference between seeing a pool of shit and diving on in anyway because that's where the gold is and saying, I don't want to swim in this, I have enough gold.
To be awake is to be alive. -- Henry David Thoreau, in "Walden"
Business as usual (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple is not in the business of free speech, they're in the business of making money. If censoring one song means they can keep making money, they will.
Re: Business as usual (Score:0)
So whatever makes them money is OK with you?
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Companies are required to obey the law. Apple didn't make the law requiring certain terms and topics to be censored in China, but they are required to obey it, just like they are required to obey censorship laws in other countries, including America.
It is not the job of western corporations to "fix" China. That is up to the Chinese.
Could always pull out of China (Score:5, Insightful)
Google complied with Chinese law by ceasing to do business in China. I imagine that opponents of censorship would prefer that Apple follow suit.
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Google complied with Chinese law by ceasing to do business in China. I imagine that opponents of censorship would prefer that Apple follow suit.
Good luck if anyone expects apple to choose morals when sales are on the line. And I don't think apple would be willing to risk all that sweet, sweet sweatshop labour.
Re:Could always pull out of China (Score:2)
There is no "moral" choice, because Apple's actions are not going to change anything either way.
These are the choices Apple faces:
1. Stay in China, and do nothing to fix China's problems.
2. Leave China, and do nothing to fix China's problems.
This is the famous Serenity Prayer [wikipedia.org]:
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
The problem is not that Apple lacks courage, but that you lack wisdom.
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Leaving China DOES do something to help solve China's problems, by demonstrating that major international corporations will refuse to do business will a genocidal tyrannical regime.
Staying in China and helping the government censor does not only not help fix China's problems, it makes them worse! It's anti-helping!
Wisdom comes in recognizing the consequences of actions. You either lack it, or you're another loser pro-China troll (which is much the same thing).
Re: Could always pull out of China (Score:2)
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There is no "moral" choice, because Apple's actions are not going to change anything either way.
That is a terribly ignorant attempt to defend the actions of a for-profit corporation. Clearly they make the situation worse by providing yet another platform that is controlled by the government, that is why Apple datacenters for the chinese market are in China, that's also why they are censoring any kind of anti-government media at the will of the ruling party.
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Obviously we know how much morals you have. Blindly side with the greedy corporation.
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There is no "moral" choice, because Apple's actions are not going to change anything either way.
These are the choices Apple faces:
1. Stay in China, and do nothing to fix China's problems. 2. Leave China, and do nothing to fix China's problems.
This is the famous Serenity Prayer [wikipedia.org]:
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.
The problem is not that Apple lacks courage, but that you lack wisdom.
There's also a difference between seeing a pool of shit and diving on in anyway because that's where the gold is and saying, I don't want to swim in this, I have enough gold.