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iMac Factory Burns 115

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the doncha-hate-that dept.
BobRainGod wrote in to tell us that a fire has apparently wasted Apple's Mexican production plant, and stunted iMac production. No this doesn't have anything to do with the APSL.
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iMac Factory Burns

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Apple Insider -- Your source for reliable April fool's news.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    this stuff can happen in the modern USA too. search for 'chicken plant' and 'fire' w/in the past
    few years, some people died (smoke inhalation,burned) in that one.

    the point is not to destroy government, or destroy corporations..
    its to make sure that the people who work for these entities
    have control over their own lives. 'big brother' is in any form of one person controlling another,
    and abuse of power is inherent in human nature.
    for instance, companies like apple do not care if factories burn down. they can just switch production to another factory and build
    another dump in mexico in the meantime. they will still get a profit for the quarter/year, and that's their job.
    they dont care about pollution, wages, rights, etc. nor are they supposed to. they have no responsibility to. so basically, its apples fault that the factory burned down, but its not a big deal to them.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I work at Apple, and the fact is that the fire wasn't that bad. The water damage (from sprinkler systems and such) shorted out some of the machinery, however. This DOES NOT mean that iMac production has stopped, however. An Apple factory in Sacremento is now producing some iMacs (previously it only made PowerMac G3s), and LG Electronics, which ownds the factory in Mexico, is moving its production elsewhere. The fire is expected to have a minimal effect on availability.

    With that all said, I am discusted by some of the reactions to this article! Fires are no joke, thank god no one was hurt. I know only a vocal minority is being so bad, but it's also no way to interest people in open source. And while I'm on that topic, let me assure you all that Apple is really interested in refining the APSL to make people more comfortable with it. But that's for a different thread...
  • If the rumors are to be believed, the current iMac is to be discontinued soon with a new model (code named "8-ball") to replace it.

    • This link [nobeige.com] speculates that the current iMacs are being held in tight supply because of 8-ball.
    • This link [nobeige.com] is about the possible feature set of the new iMac (17 inch monitor!!)
  • by drwiii (434)
    Reminds me of the SNL skit where Bill Gates blew up "Apple Computer's new Korean manufacturing plant" live on Microsoft TV.
  • I built a machine just about that good for my sister for around $500, including a larger (and seperately upgradable) monitor. The CPU's not quite up to spec, but another $50 would've fixed that.

    And it has a floppy drive.
  • The box was for my sister... she's only marginally networked, so she still needs floppy disks for things like taking files in to class and transferring things between her computer and her friends'. I don't use floppies much anymore, myself... with a LAN in the house and a 24x7 dialup, I don't need 'em. I don't even use my CD drives for much more than playing music/MP3 CDs... all my software comes off the 'net. Her needs are different, though.

    That's where I think Apple missed its target with the iMac, actually... people like me don't need floppies and can put that integrated ethernet to good use, but we won't be happy with the lack of RAM, the underpowered CPU (yes, I know the G3's a good chip... the iMac's is the runt of the litter, though), or the lack of expandability. People like my sister don't need a screaming CPU or a lot of RAM, but they need that floppy drive, and don't have a use for the ethernet card (but have to pay for it anyway) - and the monitor is too small any way you figure it.

    The one place I can think of that they're really suited for is schools, which tend to be short on competent computer help and for whom LANs are practical, and which have always been one of Apple's strongholds (though, unfortunately for Apple, brainwashing 'em early hasn't worked on most kids ;) ). Even there, they're running into problems because of that lack of floppy drive (according to my mother the school librarian)... the kids can't take files home with them.
  • Posted by Stanks:

    Oh my god,

    A 17 inch monitor, AND a DVD Player?

    When will the PC world Catch up to those trailblazers at Apple? Next thing you know, they'll put floppys on the things!

    *Sarcasm included*

  • This means Apple might not do the heavy laying-off it had planned to do at its Cork facility.

    Layoffs? Plant closings? Have iMac sales tanked or something? Or would this have to do with the (I presume) enticing cheap wages they pay at the LG Electronics plant in Mexicali? And what was the cause of that fire, anyway? Substandard wiring? Shoddily-constructed factory?

    Inquiring minds want to know :)

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  • Yeah, who wants low wages when you can have even lower ones, or none at all. Damn Apple for employing cheap labor!

    It's not like they're the only ones doing it.

    And damn that Mexican gov't for not forcing the people to protect themselves!

    It's more like corporations doing the forcing. The Mexican government wants low wages and weak unions and minimal regulation, so they can keep the likes of GM and LG happy. How would you like it if corporations were able to dictate policy in your country?

    Seriously, don't be so protectionist and paternalistic.

    Protectionist? It's not like I live in Cork -- or Ireland, for that matter. Paternalistic? Since when is it paternalistic to give a damn about people? Where I come from that's called compassion. If you worked for cents an hour, would you be happy about it? Would you piss on "paternalistic" do-gooders?

    Call all the little names you want, but what we have here is rent-a-slave, and we've both got a piece of that timeshare. We benefit from it, but when it comes time to acknowledge it, we drag out the old FUD. If the workers in Mexico have such a good thing going, why do so many of them end up in the US?

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  • irrelevant. ever hear of `cost of living?' mexicans can support families on `cents an hour.' just because it costs you $1000/mo to rent an apartment and $5 for a cardboard meal at mcdeez doesn't mean it costs everyone the same.

    That's bullshit, too. You go see what kind of housing you can get on what they make. Then try to live in it. You go see what culinary delights are on offer with the money you have left for food. Then tell me how great it is. Cost of living arguments are bullshit -- do those workers in Mexicali do the same work as the iMac workers in Ireland and California? Shouldn't they be able to enjoy the same material benefits that those Irish and Californian workers do?

    Stop trying to rationalize slavery. Just because slaves in the US got room and board, it doesn't mean they were all that pleased with it. I seriously doubt your "cost of living" arguments were used in the 18th and 19th century.

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  • I agree that Apple is an accomplice in the slavery initiated by the Mexican government (something I almost pointed out in my last posting).

    It's not just Apple, it's other corporations. It's also the US government, which doesn't raise a fuss. It's also you and me, since the US government is comprised of our elected representatives, and because we tend to see places like Mexico as "investment opportunities" rather than as nations with people, people with the same dreams and desires as you or me. Our hands are dirty too, with every purchase and with every vote and with every letter we fail to send to our elected officials and every piece of legislation that serves to enhance or reinforce this state of affairs. It's also the media, since they tend to report consumer news, business news, or financial news, but no real economic news of substance other than what relates to consumer/business/financial matters; that ignores some weighty issues -- though it ensures that advertisers like Nike, Apple, and GM will keep those ad dollars coming. It's a shame that more mainstream-media coverage of Nike's labor practices has come from sportswriters than from "serious" mainstream journalists.

    My original posting was meant to oppose the idea that people should be paid more than market value merely because they have less than others. Clearly, there are other issues, and the fact that Apple (and any other company) takes part in employing people who are partly enslaved is a serious problem.

    It's more than a problem. It's literally a sin, from the standpoint of my religious tradition, and sin (especially on a mass scale like this) has its consequences. (I don't mean to go into bible-thumping mode here; I'm just stating the origins of my ranting -- this isn't a plea for you to go to church or to vote for this or that political party).

    I'm all for opening up the borders. Let the immigrants come here for the honest living, not the handouts.

    Here we go again. Back to blaming the victim. It's not the "handouts". Everyone comes here for an honest living, but there aren't enough jobs to go around, partly because some of those jobs are farmed off to the Third World -- it's a vicious cycle. I don't begrudge them taking those "handouts" as a consolation prize -- it's a much sweeter deal than they would have gotten back home, though people like you seem to think it's a mountain of money. I've never met a Mexican or Central American immigrant (or illegal) who wasn't a work-your-ass-off sort of person. For that matter, I've only met a handful of American-born "handout" recipients who weren't equally as industrious, and I don't think their bad attitudes grew in some sort of ghetto vacuum; society at large has helped add some fertilizer over the generations.

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  • I'm blaming the US gov't for supplying handouts paid with OPM (other people's money) and then clamping down on the borders to prevent "outsiders" from getting it. No handouts, no problem, open up those borders. Attract the immigrants who are excited by the notion of earning an honest living and nothing more.

    But OPM pays for roads and schools and such -- things that profit the few or the many, depending on context. Surely you see the benefit -- beyond profit and loss -- of an educated populace or a sane commute to work. "Handouts" also flow through the economy by paying rents and buying goods (things like food and clothing, for instance) that otherwise wouldn't be bought. I find the notion of "good" subsidies and "bad" ones to be often in the eye of the beholder; unfortunately, the richer recipients usually get off scott-free (due to voter apathy), while the poorer ones get demonized. A culture that is willfully God-less still seems to want to finger a Satan and a legion of devils.

    But my original point was about the free flow of immigration, as with the capital that leaves the West and goes to Third World factories. If immigration were that free, we'd have millions of Central Americans crossing the border within a year, plus Boat People from the Caribbean -- one of the consequences of letting people really seek a decent wage. In that scenario, you and I don't get to decide who is a "worthy" immigrant, just as we don't get to decide whether or not the movement of that capital is a net gain for our communities. And the government has to pay for such consequences as the vast majority of these hypothetical immigrants not being able to find immediate work. You didn't get that part of my question. In the real world, we allow anarchy and chaos in one direction and not the other.

    That's one of the invisible things we pay for in the free lunch of cheap labor. Bailouts of foreign economies that never really seem to benefit anyone but the banks, foreign pols, and bondholders -- though OPM is used for those that. If not for those handouts, we might have had a domestic bank failure or two; we'd certainly have implosions in Third World economies, with a long-term loss in exports. There's a lot more, but I gotta go back and ruin^H^H^H^Hedit some code :)

    Just keep in mind that we're dealing with an ecosystem here, not the Wild Wild West fantasy of those who would equate most taxation with theft. It's a corrupt ecosystem these days, but the poor people in Mexicali, Moscow, Malaysia, and Minneapolis are the last ones we should tee off on; they're often the ones who take the biggest beating. In a global economy, we all live in the same neighborhood, and Americans will eventually find that out when Brazil and Korea sneeze and Peoria gets a belated and persistent cold. We'll blame the usual devils for it, but we'll be the real culprits.

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  • I believe in zero subsidies. Subsidies are inherently corrupt because there is a broken feedback loop from the producer (of money) and the spender. A stable system requires strong feedback.

    Social Darwinism. I'll trust you to be fair and consistent and also advocate zero subsidies for failed savings and loans, failed derivatives trades, and failed Third World loans -- often the result of an irresponsibility far worse than that of any ghetto-dwelling caricature. In practice, that sort of fairness hasn't happened; while there have been scattered cases of babies dying as a result of reduced subsidies for "welfare mothers" (I promise you that I'm not being hysterical when I say that; the combination of cuts and increased red tape has made it hard to get proper nutrition and medical care in some locales), there's still the mantra of "too big to fail" when it comes to derivatives snafus and bad Eastern European and Third World debt.

    We would NOT "certainly have implosions in third world countries" without IMF bailouts.

    I think places like Jamaica would have gone nuts; however horrible the IMF "cure" was, it more or less worked in those days. Paraguay isn't looking so good these days; maybe they're "too small to count". But I wasn't referring to the IMF -- I meant the taxpayer-funded bailouts of banks that invested (and lost) in the Third World. I think those are two separate issues, though I could be wrong.

    --

  • Thanks. I'll take a look. But since I see that the full document has 29 chapters, I'll have to bookmark the TOC as well :)

    --

  • They should have the right to pursue a quality of life, but no one has the right to HAVE a quality of life.

    I think the fact that they get paid a hell of a lot less for doing the same work as their US/EU counterparts has nothing to do with their "rights" to anything. I'm not arguing for their rights, I'm just arguing about our complicity in their "less than human" status. They, in practice, don't have a right to pursue a quality of life on the scale of people in El Norte. And if they tried, via collective bargaining or petitioning their political leaders, they'd be slapped down faster than a CPU cycle.

    Slavery is not the same as cheap labor. Slavery is forced employment. People who work for cheap wages do so because they have no other employment alternative, usually because they either don't have the skills, or they live under the heavy hand of an oppressive gov't (the latter often contributing to the former).

    Of course, in this case the "oppressive gov't" (i.e. de Mexico) has a hand in making LG an attractive proposition to Apple, by offering policies (or, rather, non-policies) that would be the envy of those who find the US government "oppressive". Your defense essentially just blames the victim. The people at the LG plant have skills, the very same ones utilized at the plants in Cork and Sacramento. Yet they're paid a small fraction of the wage. They're hemmed in as surely as any old-style slave, though they won't be hunted down or shot for leaving -- they would only receive punishment if they tried to assert themselves on the "plantation".

    And there's no quick fix (e.g., minimum wage) to the problem.

    I'm not asking for a quick fix. I'm just asking for the same "fix" that you or I would get.

    Basically, we're all getting a free lunch out of this. But we pay in other ways. Blow it off if you want to. I don't want, henceforth, to see your name attached to whining about "gov't this" and "gov't that" when the problem at hand can probably be traced to the guy staring at you in the mirror. Can we also safely assume your defense of the rights of Mexican workers to come to the US by any means necessary in order to seek an "employment alternative"? If manufacturing capital is free to roam across borders in search of a free lunch, why shouldn't its victims be able to freely cross borders in search of a decent wage? Shall we petition the INS to bring down the fences and call off the dogs, then?

    It's amazing that this "Christian nation" that puts "In God We Trust" on its currency and inserts "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and has a chaplain begin each Senate session would conveniently ignore Matthew 7:12 just to make or save a couple of bucks.

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  • Any truth to the rumour that a bald guy and a geeky-looking guy who referred to each other as "Bill" and "Steve" were seen fleeing the area, laughing about how much they loved to compete? :-)
  • Here is a burning Apple logo I made a few years ago, when I was using Macs quite a bit. I just got so fed up with them and just wished they went away. Funny now, the Macs really are burning... Anyway, I made this animated GIF. You may copy it and post it wherever, just provide a link to my webpage. Here is the GIF...

    http://members.xoom.com/zonk3r/oldpage/apple.gif

    and my webpage is at the bottom here:
  • This means Apple might not do the heavy laying-off it had planned to do at its Cork facility. Since layoffs suck in general, that would rule. :)

    To those scum who would consider this disaster a good thing --- don't forget that Apple, like any other company, carries insurance. This is only a blip in the upward-curving MacOS trend.

    (We could really do far worse than to have MacOS X dominate the user desktop and Linux the server. KDE and Gnome have a lot of catching up to do ... they're doing it, but it'll take time.)
  • Hard to believe that they have no redundancy in their production process.

    Does anyone know in how many aspects a European i-Mac differs from the U.S. version?

  • That's what happens when you shift production to Mexico to take advantage of the low wages and lax fire codes.


    --
    As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
  • by Ken (3185)
    Really? In what way?
  • No. No Firewire, yet. But rumor has it that the next generation iMac will have firewire.
  • Making fun of MS and BillyG is like beating a dead horse, Its just /TO/ easy :)
  • by CrAlt (3208)
    More like 90%....MS has had it's little hands in MacOS a little. :)
  • Apple, in a cost-cutting effort, has decided to move iMac manufacturing from it's Cork (Ireland) plant to a subcontractor (LG Electronics) in Mexico.

    Since Apple didn't have other manufacturing needs (and because it suited their cost-cutting frenzy quite nicelly), they decided to close the Cork factory.

    There was an open letter, last week, from a Cork employee called "Put a Cork in it, Apple!" wich was a good read. Look it up for details.
  • Or is it the Gremlin? Or is it the Pinto? No matter which way you look at it it's UG-LY
  • I think what irks most people so much about Apple is the arrogance of the established user base. I dont' think anyone would / could argue logically that the Mac sucks from top to bottom. It does some things really well and has shortcomings like all other OS's.

    The main rub with the user-base is that most of them don't know what the other OS's can do and that other systems are superior or equivalent in many ways. This can be said for huge devotees of every OS, but the Mac has a more vocal and loyal base than any other platform.

    I wish everybody could ease up on things and realize that different systems fit the need of very different people. Quit bashing already.
  • If you had read the full post you would have seen that I mention the arrogance of all OS fans as well.

    Of course most Linux users would say "I love my linux because it works and I don't have to spend all fucking day on my job because it does things one at a time..oops...force quit on Netscape... oops no protected memory I guess I'll have to reboot again ... click that mouse button and watch the web page stop loading until I let go ... AppleTalk (turtle talk) is hosed again, reboot the server for the n-th time today"

    You see my friend, it's all relative.
  • really people. even if you don't like apple &| macs, can't y'all find a better target that's more suitable (pragmatically) for these negative feelings? hell, why not bitch at microsoft - they're worse and not suffering, like apple has been of late. after all it's not apple's plan to kill linux/OSS now is it?

    (sheesh - if gates, allen and ballmer dropped a ton of bricks on y'all and jobs dropped a pebble you'd blame apple)
  • People have been predicting that Apple would go out of business any day now since they were founded. I'm not saying that it's difficult to attack either one, but why can't you attack the more entity that poses a more immediate problem? again, if microsoft dropped a ton of bricks on you and apple a single brick, why do you make the single brick a higher priority?

  • Surely Apple will give away those slightly water damaged iMacs to poor cs students to install Linux on?
  • by bert (4321)
    The McPinball Special?

    (Eight Ball Deluxe used to be this great Pinball game -- for PC's)
  • Apple's been keeping their supply lines at just a few days in order to maximize profit. Their build-to-ship is like half that of Dell's..

    There isn't much of a buffer for this. This is a new contractor for Apple, so hopefully the other builders can keep up...
  • > The fire was bad, but then the water damage
    > caused even more damage.

    right. You probably have a NIC card and use the cddb database. :-)
  • remember those Apple commercials with the bunny suit guy burning up? How ironic
  • Re-read the comments so far. I counted maybe two or three that were *truly* negative. Some poked fun or commented neutrally on the news or other comments. All of the rest are positive!

    Please ease up on the persecution complex. :)
  • Gee, we have to wait a month for an iMac -- meanwhile the idled Mexicali workers have to wait a month to go back to work and get another paycheck.

    Got no mention in the article, but seems like the bigger tragedy to me...

    -couvares
  • Yeah, who wants low wages when you can have even lower ones, or none at all. Damn Apple for employing cheap labor!

    And damn that Mexican gov't for not forcing the people to protect themselves! Apple, or any company for that matter, certainly isn't smart enough to think about protecting itself against the threat of fire. If it weren't for gov't regulations, we'd all be pulling out guns and shooting ourselves in the feet all day long. Thank you, big brother.

    That's sarcasm, if you didn't notice. Seriously, don't be so protectionist and paternalistic. It isn't good for anyone.
  • Shouldn't they be able to enjoy the same material benefits that those Irish and Californian workers do?

    Actually, no. They should have the right to pursue a quality of life, but no one has the right to HAVE a quality of life. The same argument goes for all the entitlement programs of the US gov't. Arguing that everyone deserves a particular material thing shows a lack of understanding of basic economics, as well as an unconscious belief in slavery (slavery of the productive).

    Slavery is not the same as cheap labor. Slavery is forced employment. People who work for cheap wages do so because they have no other employment alternative, usually because they either don't have the skills, or they live under the heavy hand of an oppressive gov't (the latter often contributing to the former). And there's no quick fix (e.g., minimum wage) to the problem.
  • I agree that Apple is an accomplice in the slavery initiated by the Mexican government (something I almost pointed out in my last posting). My original posting was meant to oppose the idea that people should be paid more than market value merely because they have less than others. Clearly, there are other issues, and the fact that Apple (and any other company) takes part in employing people who are partly enslaved is a serious problem.

    I'm all for opening up the borders. Let the immigrants come here for the honest living, not the handouts.
  • Perhaps you misunderstood my last statement. I'm not blaming the immigrants. I'm blaming the US gov't for supplying handouts paid with OPM (other people's money) and then clamping down on the borders to prevent "outsiders" from getting it. No handouts, no problem, open up those borders. Attract the immigrants who are excited by the notion of earning an honest living and nothing more.

    Regarding sin -- I'm not religious. But I do believe in absolutes and morals. I require rational arguments, not faithful ones. I don't mind rants, as long as there's a mind behind it.

    "People like me?" I didn't say I think the handouts are a mountain of money. They aren't. But I do see them as dangerous, no matter how big they are or what they pay for, because they grow like a cancer, taking away more and more of the wealth of honest, productive people over time. And the middlemen in charge of it all (the politicians and their "friends") ARE getting a mountain of money. It's a corrupt system, and it will continue to grow until more people wake up and start opposing the confiscation of their property.
  • I don't have much time, so I'll try to summarize.

    I believe in zero subsidies. Subsidies are inherently corrupt because there is a broken feedback loop from the producer (of money) and the spender. A stable system requires strong feedback. Roads, schools, etc. are quite possible without subsidies. I think that fact is glaringly obvious in the case of the public schools nowadays.

    You beg the question when you say that the gov't has to find work for immigrants who can't find it themselves. Free flow of immigrants would create a demand for businesses that find work for people. The private sector can handle it just fine, as long as the gov't doesn't provide a "free" solution (which would damage the market for such businesses).

    We would NOT "certainly have implosions in third world countries" without IMF bailouts. The IMF is contributing to the problem, not solving it. Once again, OPM corrupts. Taxation, actually. Taxation creates a commons of wealth, which results in overspending and overconsuming in the long run. Taxation IS a form of theft when you consider how much power a single person has over his money that is taken in taxes.

    One difference between the Wild West and modern times is the (near) lack of gov't subsidies back then. But this isn't what makes modern times more civilized. Subsidies do not equate with civilization. The real difference is the organization now and the lack of it back then. Organization and establishment of laws and ways of dealing with criminals. In other words, avoidance of the prisoner's dilemma among people who are exploring new territory and are therefore sparsely populated and constantly encountering new and different people whose philosophies and intentions aren't known. That's what made it the "Wild" West. Nothing to do with subsidies.

    I guess I had more time than I thought.
  • Not the same as Social Darwinism. Read Bionomics, by Michael Rothschild, particularly the last section dedicated to the difference between the free market and SD.

    Why did the S&L's fail? I guarantee the gov't had something to do with it. If I recall, I believe they were insured by the gov't. If they had been private insurance companies with profits in mind, it wouldn't have happened. But since the gov't isn't a business, kaplooie. Many of the problems people state as needing to be solved by the gov't were caused by the gov't in the first place.

    Pumping increasingly more money into subsidies to "solve" problems only delays the inevitable crash. And the longer you wait, the harder they crash.
  • Here's the link to Social Darwinism discussed in "Bionomics: Economy as Ecosystem": Bionomics Outline [bionomics.org]
  • by belbo (11799)
    I hope RMS has a good alibi *grin*. Possibly someone didn't paid attention to the warning sign:
    "iMacs are supposed to blow up at customer's home ONLY"
  • I think what irks most people so much about Apple is the arrogance of the established user base.

    Compare the relative level of arrogance of the Mac user base with the Linux user base. Oops!

    (Of course most Mac users would say "I like my Mac because it just works and I don't have to spend all day munging plug n play or reading technical documentation.", where as most Linux users would say "I like my Linux box because it has a distributed display protocol system and when that locks up I can telnet in from another computer to a fully programmable command environment in order to restart the display system without affecting my uptime statistics.")
    --
  • Seriously, don't be so protectionist and paternalistic.

    Protectionist? It's not like I live in Cork -- or Ireland, for that matter. Paternalistic? Since when is it paternalistic to give a damn about people?

    Damn right. I live in Ireland and a friends father has been hauling Apple machines around Ireland since Apple opened in Cork. He got his marching orders last week. It makes me sick. Apple have taken SO much from the Irish government and lets face it - they were only here for the cheap labour/government handouts in the first place.

  • Oh the humor of it all, and on a Monday at that!

    "I always knew they ran a little hot.
    "See where overclocking will get you?!?!
    "I accept no responsibility for Apples inability to innovate in such a competitive market - B.G.
    "Smoke colored iMacs for subtle yet distinct CEO offices.
    "They're selling like hot-cakes, and they smell a bit like'em too...

    Thank you, thank you.. I'm here all week.
  • *sigh* I told Steve it was a bad idea to build an Appleseed [ucla.edu] cluster out of all those unsold PowerBook 5300s!
  • The reports regarding the APSL were valid, but this is nonsense. Why not just yell: "PIG PILE ON APPLE!". What other reaction could CmdrTaco have hoped for, but the all-too-predictable slashdot evil glee that ensues whenever an Enemy of the Revolution mis-steps?

    Smugness is hardly an attribute suitable for a movement in need of as much help as this one does.
  • while they are still expanding theiur color line, why not make a nice char-colored imac with nifty "simulated" melted cases ;)

  • Actually it's a little more (and a little less) than that.

    Apple has signed a 5 year, billion dollar, contract with LG Electronics for them to produce *all* iMacs.
    They will be made in Mexico, Asia and Europe (all cheaper than Apple's facilities)

    Apple hasn't really layed anyone off. They hired thousands of "temp" workers before the iMac introduction at the Cork, California, and Singapore plants. Now that they don't make iMacs they don't need those workers so they are all being released.

    Unfortunately, there is a nasty *rumor* that they will close production completely at Cork. I don't see what benefit would come of this since Cork manufactures most of the PowerMacs and PowerBooks for the European market and shipping those machines from the US or Singapore would seem more expensive.

    Time will tell. As for the fire. AppleInsider said that the Mac production plant wasn't severely damaged by the fire but rather by the water used to put it out. They didn't say what started it.

  • I run a WinNT machine on an Intel PPro200...

    I was just commenting on the fact that at 8:40 this morning or so, with about 30 comments, a lot were speaking as if how Apple deserved this, this is karma, fate, justice, or how this just shows the universe knows what it's doing.

    Now that I check again, my comment has been scored up above most of the negativity, and with more people reading positive comments, there are less negatives too...

    AS
  • What is with all the anti-Apple sentiment?

    They are as much a legitimate competitor, innovator, and supplier of PCs as Intel, Alpha, IBM, M$, etc., though I guess enemies of each firm would pop out if a disaster struck any of them...

    It's not as if Apple has some overwhelming market share, and is pushing profit-oriented market decisions on us, or is taking advantage of its market share to push into other markets.

    Perhaps people are upset that Apple doesn't exactly target the geeky crowd... or that Apple is too trendy, or something. Whatever happened to rooting for the underdog and being anti-establishment? As pompous or arrogant as Apple is sometimes, they really are in the position of underdog... and they do have a good chance to fight their way back into greater relevance.

    It's not even as if Apple isn't useful or hasn't innovated in the market. If I am not mistaken, they still are unprecedented for the level of support they offer for desktop publishing, what with hardware level color pre-press technology, software and OS level support for color calibration among monitors, computers, printers, scanners, etc., even as PCs are just catching up. Likewise they introduced the market to high performance subsystems with SCSI, compared to the PC's IDE/EIDE, or high color graphics vs 256 color, and simple peripheral hookup, though today a PC has access to all of them, and the PC OS of the averaged desktop, Win9x, has effectively caught up and surpassed the Mac OS. Though it was saddled with the Win3x series for the longest time.

    Perhaps I'm biased too, because Apple comes from my hometown, but they are still pushing innovation, at the risk of failure. See the Newton, a few years back? Its a shame they halted development on it. Or FireWire, today, to replace/supplement any host of slower more expensive connections? Or, and this is a big gamble, a stable, Unix based, consumer grade, competative OS?

    Ah well, c'est la vie, or something like that.

    AS
  • Kinda odd how Apple had a "Burn Baby, Burn!" commercial and now this..
  • So what you're saying is that on a HUGE portion of the things the "normal" consumer cares about (Quake and Microsoft products) the Pentium !!! is faster.

    Oh well, just gimmie my K7 (unless Mac OS X is scheduled to take over the consumer market by then).

  • "Any independent source will show you that the G3 is at most 10-15% faster than a Pentium II at the same clock speed." Sorry but PC Mag (aka KissWinTel Ass Mag) just ran a real world bake off and the 400MHz G3 beat the 500Mhz Pentium III overall, the only thing it lost on was Quake and Microsoft products. And Hell will freeze over before M$ products run faster on a Mac than on Windows, and for Quake, I guess that proves the TNT card is faster than the ATI Rage 128. So despite a 100Mhz difference the G3 rules. Plus this is running 8.5 which is still 45% 68K code.Wait til fully PPC native OS X.
  • Well, they're not all rabid idiots. Actually, I'm in almost the opposite position. I've used Linux for years and am planning on getting a Mac soon, for almost the opposite reason.
    I admit, I don't get religious over source code licensing; I use Linux because it makes a first-rate server machine. However, several months of doing Real Work on a Mac was enough to convert me. It's a lousy platform for tinkering, but unbeatable for actually doing work. The interface is light years ahead of KDE, Windowmaker, or anything else that Linux has.
    When I can get the MacOS interface with the stability of Unix, with bash and friends thrown in, I'm buying it. (Unless it costs $500.) Which means I'm buying MacOS X Desktop and a Mac to coexist with the Linux box in the closet.
    The Gimp, Gnome, StarOffice, etc. are not going to be a real competitor to something as polished and well-thought-out as the MacOS with Photoshop, Illustrator, and Word. I'll let Linux do what it's good at: being a server. And I'll keep a Mac on my desk.
  • I always thought /. was a place where one could find intelligent conversation about a topic. Instead, it is a place where most people are looking to start a flame war. I was hoping that /. was above the usenet, but I guess I haven't been here long enough to see that this isn't so. If you don't like Apple, /. has these neat little preferences that allow you to disable any Apple related news.

    I enjoy watching Apple's climb back out of the grave that Wall Street prematurely dug. Hopefully the situation in Mexico will not be a major set back for the company.

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  • Good to hear that problems aren't as bad as they were made out to be.

    I think most people got out hand.

    Remember, if everyone starts using Linux, you're no longer special.


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  • I am a Mac user that was looking into learning more about Linux. I would never completely abandon the Mac because there are programs I can't do without (Photoshop rules), however, I wanted to learn more about Linux as a possible server solution.

    If this is the support community that Linux users are so proud of, I'm sorry, but it certainly takes some of the steam out of my excitment for this platform.

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  • ...like a phoenix from the ashes...

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  • The word "inexpesive" comes to mind...

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  • Rumor has it that MacOS X Server is faster than Linux. I don't know if I believe that, but at the very least, it sounds comparable.

    As for working, I've worked on both the Windows and Mac platforms with programs such as Photoshop and Director. I can get my work done a lot faster on a Mac.

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  • Why is that so many Linux users seem to hate Apple all of a sudden? Could it be the rumors that MacOS X Server running Apache is faster than Linux. Hmm... Maybe someone is feeling threatened.

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  • Did you know that :

    There is more instructions on a ppc than on a pentium.

    That the P2 has 5 execution(int) units, a faster L2 cache, that the ppc doesn't have.(but the normal x86 instructions translate to one or two smaller ones)

    The ppc has 3 eu(int), but a bigger l1 cache.

    The benchmark using enhanced drivers (mmx, 3d-now) are working way better than unenhanced drivers.

    The CISC term can't be applied to the P2, or say it's a RISC processor running CISC code. (although that's more like the K6-2)

    It's seems to me that since cpus with more instructions tends to increase, I think that the CISC concept is not that bad. (the ppc has more instructions)
  • well, i disagree.. a 233/266mhz G3 is mucho mucho mucho faster then any Pentium II Processor out there.. better design, better everything..

    The imac is a 900.00 computer that a. has built in monitor, a G3 CPU, 32 Megs of Ram, USB Bus, 10/100 Base T network card, 56k Modem, and a 2-6 gig hard drive..

    you cant beat that in ANY OEM/FULL pc.. even e machines don't come with a monitor/keyboard/mouse/soundcard/networkcard and a software package for that price..

    come on people, wake up and smell the coffee.. if you gonna diss cheasy hardware then Don't buy compaq, don't by HP and don't by Packard Bell because THEY ARE THE ONES USING SHITTY HARDWARE, by far Mac G3's and iMACS are FAR SUPURB to any 900-1000.00 pc you could ever buy at the store..

    its HP using crapy softmodems and softsound cards and single slot upgrade motherboards (one free pci slot) its Compaq using Crappy motherboards and different cpu's on every box they deliver, its packard bell never building a good system


    sure the lil green imacs don't have much to upgrade, but atleast its a standard.. need a new hard drive, you got the usb port, need another floppy or a zip disk, use the usb port..

    but if you going for a workstation or graphics box the imac wasn't built for that.. otherwise for your price and the product behind it you can't beat it at all.

    and thats the truth!

    my next pc will be an imac!
  • mucho mucho isn't a techno term dumbass :) if you can't read and learn whats the point.. k7's aren't out yet.. And they will cost more then an imac costs (when you add motherboard,ram,disk and what not) Basically comparing apples to apples, an Imac is a superior machine.. k7 will kick ass, Pentium III Second Gen chips will kick ass.. point is, for 900-1100 bucks this is what you get: iMac, now available for $1199, includes a Pentium-toasting 266MHz PowerPC G3 processor, 32MB SDRAM, 6GB hard disk drive, 24x CD-ROM drive, built-in 56K modem, 10/100Base-Tx Ethernet, two built-in 12Mbps Universal Serial Bus ports and more--plus Mac OS 8.5.1 and a ton of great software. BTW - 12 Mbps is the USB ports.. and as far as speed, sure my ultra DMA bus mastering ide claims 33mbs but i'd sure as hell like to see that.. i'm not dissing your machine, i'm happy with my pc.. but i've never had problems with any mac getting new hardware to work device drivers and compatibility problems have never been an issue on any mac i've used (except for them stupid ass modems). But if you want to compare high end to high end i'll happily do that.. but for 900-1100 for a complete system with only 2 things done to setup from out of box to being on the internet you can't beat that..
  • on another note.. if you want to compare apples to apples :) http://www.apple.com/powermac/benchmark.html this is comparing - comparible bus speeds/cpu speeds/ram configurations and disk speeds.. these would make lovely linux boxes!
  • According to another source [zdnet.com], the fire wasn't all that bad. Sorry to disappoint all of you mac-haters.
  • ....because I like redundancy.
  • Cents an hour?? I hope you are not talking about "salario minimo", (minimun wage) that is a complete joke.

    More than 20 million mexicans live in extreme poverty.
  • It truly is a shame that this arson^H^H^H^H^Hfire occurred. But it's like I've been saying all along, Apple just can't compute, we've burned them all along. While the iMacs were hot, Microsoft just burned them.

    *ahem*

    What I mean is...

    -Bill Gates
    CEO, Microsoft



    "Responsibility for my career? I'm just a freakin' phone monkey!"
  • Although I think the Imac is a pretty sucky piece of machinery, I hope this doesn't spell the end of it - compeition is always good, and the Imac certainly made computers look cool. Besides, even if I hated the Imac, this isn't how I would want it to die - I'd rather see it die by loss of market rather than some fire.

    BTW - Bill Gates wasn't seen in the area with a can of gas, was he? :-)
  • because, although the plant didn't burn (really. it didn't), the sprinklers killed off all the manufacturing equipment.
    and hey braniac, how does a fire at an LG plant and a bit of outsourcing make Apple suck?

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