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Patent Suit Leads To 500,000 Annoyed Software Users 180

ciaran_o_riordan writes "A rare glimpse at the human harm of a software patent lawsuit: company receives 500,000 calls complaining about video quality after a video call system was forced to change to avoid a patent. That's a lot of people having a bad day. We don't usually hear these details because the court documents get ordered sealed and the lawyers only say what the companys' communication strategists allow. However, for VirnetX v. Apple, Jeff Lease decided to go the hearings, take notes, and give them to a journalist. While most coverage is focussing on the fines involved, doubling or halving Apple's fine would have a much smaller impact on your day than the removal of a feature from some software you like. Instead of letting the software patents debate be reduced to calls for sympathy for big companies getting fined, what other evidence is out there, like this story, for harm caused directly to software users?"
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Patent Suit Leads To 500,000 Annoyed Software Users

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  • Tough, Apple (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:17PM (#44742077) Homepage

    "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." - Steve Jobs.

    Well, sometimes that comes back and bites you.

    "the data will bolster VirnetX's arguments that its patents are technologically significant, hard to work around, and deserve a high royalty rate."

    None of this would have happened if IPv6 had been deployed by now, and everything had a static IP address. Then peer to peer services just work.

  • by Ferzerp ( 83619 ) on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:21PM (#44742091)

    I think it's the hubris of Apple hurting the "software users" more than the patent holder. Instead of working something out, notifying its users, or something else, it just makes their app work poorly now.

    Perhaps they can be told they are holding it wrong causing connectivity issues....

  • by Beardydog ( 716221 ) on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:21PM (#44742093)
    As noted in the comments the first time this was posted, this story doesn't mention the number of complaints received BEFORE the change, making the number 500,000, and the entire article, almost completely meaningless. Apple has millions of customers and, as with every company, a shocking percentage of them are either imbeciles or spend their days and nights pining for minor slights to write angry emails about. This could be perfectly average. The entirety of the information provided for the story comes from a party to the dispute.
  • by msobkow ( 48369 ) on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:55PM (#44742221) Homepage Journal

    Look, here's the simple fact: peer-to-peer communications for any protocol is not a "novel" idea. It's a normal, every-day thing a programmer or engineer considers as a means of preventing bottlenecks at a proxy or server.

    Worse, the standards for SIP specifically set up peer-to-peer connections after the initial hand-shake, so every SIP stack is affected by this bullshit patent. In other words: virtually every IP phone on the planet, whether hardware or software based.

    The US patent system is fundamentally and badly broken. Everyone knows that. But I'm rooting for Apple to spank the everliving shit out of these assholes.

  • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Monday September 02, 2013 @09:39PM (#44742453)

    You are VERY wrong about them not caring. Apple is adamant about having the carriers involved because overall it nets them far more revenue. Subsidized phone sales through the carriers allows Apple to charge probably 20% more for their product than they could on the open market. Carrier subsidized phones hide the price from consumers.

    This is one of the reasons iPhones don't sell as well outside the US. In many other countries phones are sold directly to the consumer, as a result the consumer is well aware of the price they are paying. The net result is they purchase phones less often and price shop more competitively. In the US market the carrier negotiates a price (actually Apple dictates the price and a minimum volume of purchases) the true cost of the purchase is concealed from the customer. That is GOOD for apple. Their phones are very overpriced and have margins the rest of the manufacturers can't sustain.

    Make no mistake, if US regulators tried to impose some of the same rules that European nations have imposed (in particular forcing carriers to unbundle the phone subsidy) Apple would actively campaign for the carriers. Hiding the true price is the only reason their sales are as high as they are in the US.

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