Apple E-book Price-Fixing Trial Begins 213
An anonymous reader writes "Technology giant Apple is to begin its defence against charges by the US government that it tried to fix the prices of e-books. The iPad-maker is accused of working with publishers in 2009 to set prices in an effort to compete in the e-book market dominated by Amazon. Quotes from Steve Jobs' official biography have been cited as evidence in the case."
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Re:Still confused (Score:5, Interesting)
If it's anything like Europe, Apple will be required to end their most-favoured clause immediately, and publishers will be required to offer Amazon discounted prices on their books for a few years to offset the elevated prices that they'd been forced to accept under the anticompetitive regime that existed.
Re:GIVE APPLE THE NEEDLE !! (Score:3, Interesting)
"Technology giant Apple is to begin its defence against charges ..."
Doesn't the prosecution present their case before the defence begins?
Normally yes, but the DOJ has already presented its case to the public, and the judge has already decided. Might as well go right for the appeal.
Re:Still confused (Score:4, Interesting)
Don't forget that Apple controls the apps through their app store and competing book reading apps can't purchase e-books through their app like Apple's, you have to open a web browser and go to their webstore to make a purchase.
Re:Stupid case (Score:5, Interesting)
First off, Amazon built the e-book market. When e-books started they were just niche amusements people got for their Palm Pilots and Windows PDA's. Publishers didn't care about them at all and made zero effort to establish them.
Amazon laid the groundwork, connected their store to a decent e-book reader and made e-books into the market it is today.
They were also not bankrupting any publishers. They paid the wholesale price for the books that the publishers asked for and then CUT THEIR OWN PROFIT MARGIN by selling lower than what they paid. The publishers already made a profit off the hardcover, the paperback and the e-books.
The problem wasn't that publishers were getting paid, in fact e-book sales were keeping alive books that were decades out of print and creating new profit where none had existed before. It was that they didn't feel they were getting enough. These are the same publishers that have said publicly that Libraries are stealing profits from them, btw. They are the reason an e-book now retails the same price as the hardcover even when the paperback is being sold simultaneously. Publishers are the reason an e-book can retail for $9.99 when the paperback sells for $7, if it's still even in print.
The publishers jumped into Apple's arms when they proposed their deal because it gave them a way to increase their profits and if it wasn't shady they wouldn't have all settled with the government rather than stand with Apple in their defense.
Re:Who is the victim here? (Score:5, Interesting)
Smaller competitors who want to get into the market. Effectively, price controls like this will freeze out the competition. How? Well, say Apple are making 200% profit on everything they sell because they have price-fixed. You now can sell at 200% profit and compete with them (and thus become part of the cartel yourself), or you can try to undercut them. But they have a huge market, to themselves, with huge profit margins, complete control of the market (because they are all agreeing to price at whatever they want) and lots and lots and lots of spare cash to keep you out / buy you up.
Because of this, you also get a lack of competition (what's the point of competing if you can all agree to just set prices to X and no-one "wins" the market for having a better product?), the market stagnates and the customer gets screwed - not by the raised prices (as you say, that's up to the customer) but because the market is so closed that they either pay lots or DON'T get the products at all. It's also a pretty good way to kill off the technology and (thus) competitors who rely on book sales to sell reading devices, etc.
A company sets its own prices. That much is certain. But they should not be getting into groups and DECIDING how much the customer pays between them collectively, with no reference to how much it costs to supply the product itself, and no consumer interest. It's illegal for a reason. It destroy markets, stifles innovation, removes competition, and makes everything a big game to make money with no regard to consumers at all. And, at the end of the day, it becomes "pay lots, or get nothing", which isn't a technique that benefits taxpayers either. Yes, you get greater tax revenue from profits (you hope!), but you also get less people spending money and less money available to spend on other things for those that do.
The point is that the market is bigger than a company, even a government. Harming the market DIRECTLY harms the stability of the economies of world governments. Thus it is illegal.
There's nothing stopping a company with a patent licensing its patent ONLY for 10 bajillion dollars even though it costs next to nothing to manufacture. That's just business. Nobody's stopping that. But colluding with competitors to price other competitors and your own customers out of the market is in nobody's interest - not even the companies that do it, or their shareholders!
Re:Stupid case (Score:5, Interesting)
Prior to e-books, when a publisher stopped printing a book, their profit from that book was done. If it was a very popular book they might order more printings, but again, when the printing stopped so did that books revenue stream. This was a problem for the publisher, the author and the reader. The publisher and author's side is easy to understand; no new income, but consider also the reader that didn't know about that author at the time, it's been 20 years and they just read an author's newest novel which is part of a series and they feel a desire to read their older books. If they are lucky they might be able to track down a copy from a library or hunt through a few used book stores for one, neither of which gets any profits back to the author. Or conversely they found a dog eared used copy in a flea market and want to read more of that author's works, but the author died and all their books are out of print.
E-books, and Amazon created a new revenue stream for publishers, buying up books at wholesale (for which they paid what the publishers asked! how is that anti-publisher??) and selling those e-books below their own costs to expand a market from a niche curiosity into every day ubiquity. E-books continue to generate revenue long after the printing presses shut down, unlike paper books. So these poor, taken advantage of publishers went from zero profits after print to "some" profits. Oooo, evil Amazon, how could you mistreat them so???
It was the publishers with Apple's help that decided "some" profit wasn't enough, they wanted moar! So now you get numerous cases where the e-book's price is HIGHER than the paperback!! I've seen e-books listed for the hardcover price years after the book was released and used paperback copies were selling for $1 right beside it.
I swear, the only publisher that ever really understood e-books was Baen. Give the old books away for free as advertising for the new books, it's not like they were making money sitting on a hard drive waiting for a new print run!
Re:Still confused (Score:2, Interesting)
Actually yes it is illegal and unreasonable. You can't set contract terms that prevent your competition from undercutting you with a better deal or from them being willing to make less money than you. You are in effect by establishing such a contract engaging in price fixing as you are setting a minimum price.
http://feldmanfile.blogspot.de/2012/04/most-favored-nation-landmine.html [blogspot.de]
It's very important to understand that Apple isn't the only eBook retailer with a "Most Favored Nation" clause; both Amazon and Barnes & Noble have them as well. In fact, Amazon is far more aggressive at exercising its clause than the other two retailers. Amazon regularly scans the prices for eBooks at competitive websites and will automatically drop the price of any title that it finds lower at another site, without giving notice to the publisher (or, for a self-published eBook, the author.)
Re:Comments (Score:4, Interesting)
Standard Oil didn't get in trouble because they had low prices, they got in trouble because they created a trust. They not only sold oil, but they either owned or controlled most of the oil transportation system. Because of that control, nobody could compete with them in the oil market because it would have been too expensive for a competitor to build their own transportation system. Therefore, competitors could not arise, and SO could in fact raise prices to very high levels.
Ebooks are not remotely like that. Sure, Amazon could drive competitors out of the ebook market by having very low prices, but as soon as they try to raise prices competitors will pop up, as it is stupidy cheap to retail ebooks.