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German Court Rejects Apple's Privacy Policy

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  • by fazig (2909523) on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @02:41AM (#43662609)
    With organisations like the StaSi and GeStaPo in more recent German history, the protection of the individual's privacy is a serious issue in Germany.
    Now and then politicians try to create another surveillance state for example to fight "child pornography", but fortunately they haven't succeeded to enact their crazy laws so far.
  • Re:better idea (Score:5, Informative)

    by AuMatar (183847) on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @02:43AM (#43662621)

    Why should it be on the people? If the company doesn't want to follow their laws, they shouldn't sell their stuff in that country. By choosing to operate in Germany, they have to follow German laws for products sold in that country. Don't like it, decide not to sell there.

  • Re:To be fair (Score:5, Informative)

    by gnasher719 (869701) on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @03:40AM (#43662801)

    You don't have to- you only have to make sure its legal in the countries you sell it in. Germans aren't suing because of Apple violating their law in America, they're suing them for violating it in Germany. If you aren't willing to abide by the laws, then don't sell in that country.

    Germans are not actually suing. They don't need to sue. Parts of Apple's policy have been declared invalid, which means that legally these parts don't exist.

  • Re:better idea (Score:4, Informative)

    by moronoxyd (1000371) on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:26AM (#43663233)

    It should be "on the people" because some people may not have a problem with policies and may want to do business with Apple anyway.

    What's your point?
    The basis of the complaint was, that Apple is not transparent about what it does with the data collected.
    If they are transparent about it and tell the users what exactly thy are going to do with the data BEFORE any data is collected, they're basically fine.
    And then the users who are fine with can use those services.

    But Apple, like many other companies, wants to have the right to do anything without telling what they do.

    The European data protection laws lay the groundwork for users to be able to decide freely what services to use and what not.
    The basis for a free decision is INFORMATION.

  • Re:To be fair (Score:5, Informative)

    by gnasher719 (869701) on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:48AM (#43663303)

    You know what I fear?
    That Apple does just what you describe: Change the words of their privacy policies, but don't actually change the processes used to handle data.

    But the _words_ of their privacy policy _is_ what was wrong. Nobody in Germany requested Apple to change its policies; they requested that Apple lists precisely what they do so that customers can make an educated decision whether to agree or not.

  • Re:To be fair (Score:5, Informative)

    by AmiMoJo (196126) * <mojo @ w orld3.net> on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @07:36AM (#43663645) Homepage

    If you or your system is sending me personal information, then you can assume it's been stored somewhere, multiple times, and will be used for whatever purpose forever, and can't be deleted.

    The EU and most member states have strict laws forbidding that. You have to justify storing any personal data, there are limits on what you can do with it, you can't keep it forever and must delete it under certain circumstances.

    If it gets transmitted in the clear, consider it stored and used for ANY purpose.

    In both the EU and US that would render the intermediate nodes routing the traffic liable for its content. In order to avoid liability they must not use the data in any way, merely pass it along.

    It would be like sending a message on a post card then getting mad that people can see what you wrote, copy it, and do whatever they want with the copy.

    It is actually illegal to open sealed envelopes not addressed to yourself here. That's why most banks don't send statements on the back of a postcard.

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