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Galaxy Tab Sales Ban Lifted, Samsung Sues Apple Over iPhone 5 196

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another random user sends this quote from the BBC: "A temporary sales ban on Samsung Electronics' Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet computer in the U.S. has been lifted by a U.S. court. District Judge Lucy Koh gave a court order rescinding a ban on U.S. sales that was part of a patent dispute with Apple. ... The ban on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 had been placed before a month-long patent trial between Apple and Samsung. In August, at the conclusion of that trial Apple was awarded a victory on many of its patent violation claims where it said Samsung had copied Apple's iPhone and iPad designs. It was also awarded more than $1bn (£664m) in damages. However, the jury found that Samsung had not violated the patent that was the basis for the ban on the sale of the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Samsung, therefore, argued for the sales ban to be lifted." Samsung also went on the offensive against the iPhone 5 today, filing a motion to add the device to its ongoing patent infringement suit against Apple. Meanwhile, on another front, some good news for Apple: Motorola Mobility, owned by Google, has withdrawn its second complaint against Apple to the ITC. The complaint was filed in August over patent infringement claims involving several minor features. No explanation has been provided for the withdrawal, but Google indicated there was no agreement between the companies.
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Galaxy Tab Sales Ban Lifted, Samsung Sues Apple Over iPhone 5

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  • by CastrTroy (595695) on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @03:05PM (#41529329) Homepage
    Except that Samsung had internal documents [engadget.com] that stated how they wanted to copy the iPhone. I think that's where they made the big mistake here.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @03:42PM (#41529761)

    Did yo read those "internal documents"? They are just expert telling design team where they went wrong with examples of good design (from Apple). It reads like "Our UI: buttons are not aligned. Good UI (yes, it's Apple's, so?): buttons are aligned. What to do: align those fucking buttons, you morons"

    Saying it's "how they wanted to copy iPhone" is funny considering the advice on the slide in the article says "Differentiate icons from iPhone".

    TL;DR: Take care not to steal specifics, but let's steal all common design sense from Apple!

  • by the_B0fh (208483) on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @04:10PM (#41530099) Homepage

    I don't understand why people continue to make nonsense arguments that even the courts have found to be hogwash.

    Samsung licenses the patents to Qualcomm. And then tells Qualcomm and Apple that *ONLY APPLE* does not have a patent license, every other customer of Qualcomm has.

    You claim otherwise - what do you base your argument on?

    http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/samsung-suffers-second-and-even-more.html [fosspatents.com] says:

    "Furthermore, the court held that Samsung cannot assert 3G/UMTS patents against the iPhone 4S due to patent exhaustion: Apple is licensed by extension since it purchases baseband chips from Qualcomm, and Samsung's attempt to terminate its license agreement with Qualcomm as far as third-party beneficiary Apple is concerned failed because Samsung had make a commitment to ETSI, the standards body in charge of 3G, that it would grant irrevocable licenses to its 3G/UMTS-essential patents."

  • by tgibbs (83782) on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @04:17PM (#41530171)

    Samsung had an agreement with Qualcomm that Qualcomm's license to Samsung's patents covered Qualcomm's customers. So Apple used Qualcomm's chips under the understanding that they were fully licensed. But apparently desperate because of Apple's many claims related to Samsung's copying, Samsung attempted to cancel Qualcomm's license as it pertains to Apple [fosspatents.com]. This is of doubtful legality, as licensing of standards-essential patents is supposed to be nondiscriminatory. But it gives Samsung some basis for countersuit, which probably helps them with investors, at least for the moment.

  • Re:screw you guys... (Score:4, Informative)

    by narcc (412956) on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @06:47PM (#41531981) Journal

    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Though a double-digit share price by the end of the year seems unrealistic, with their new products not expected until January.

    They are debt free and have increased their cash reserves. (Interesting note, cash reserves increased by nearly the amount of their reported losses.) They have a fantastic set of new products and a clear launch strategy.

    I know the meme is that they have no customers (even though they've consistently gained many more customers than they've lost quarter after quarter) and they're dying (even though they've only posted two losses post iPhone, the second being much smaller than the first) and that they're selling the same phone virtually unchanged since 2005 (which is laughably false). Reality, however, doesn't fit the narrative. They have, without question, the most advanced and capable mobile OS on the planet. While subjective, their UI is brilliant and represents a dramatic departure from both their own history and from the current market leaders in very positive ways (they're inventing the future of mobile computing). Just the gesture suite alone is leagues ahead of iOS.

    In short, they're hardly dying, their new products are impressive, and they have a clear plan moving forward.

    No, they won't be in the double digits this year, but 2013 looks to be a very good year for RIM.

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