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Will Apple Vs Samsung Verdict Be Overturned? 300

Posted by samzenpus
from the on-second-thought dept.
An anonymous reader writes "While there's much talk of Apple asking for more money from Samsung, there's less talk of the likelihood that the verdict will be overturned completely. Based on voir dire, and the foreman's subsequent statements to the press, it seems he failed to follow the law."
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Will Apple Vs Samsung Verdict Be Overturned?

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  • by Big Hairy Ian (1155547) on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:39AM (#41435961)
    If its Android that appears to be breaching patents surely they should be suing the Android/Google collective.
  • by andy16666 (1592393) on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:42AM (#41435983)
    Is anyone else sick of hearing about Apple vs. Samsung?
  • by interkin3tic (1469267) on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:46AM (#41436007)
    I sincerely hope microsoft is paying you to create new accounts and shill on slashdot. Because if you're just doing this for free, that's pretty sad.

    Conversely, if MS is wasting money trying to get slashdotters to like the windows phone, that's really funny.
  • War on Innovation (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:58AM (#41436115)

    Waiting for times when inspiring innovations in technology get more press than who in a courtroom wins the right to extract money from them.

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:59AM (#41436133) Journal

    I'm not sure how anyone could even offer 'tested' in the present legal climate. Aside from the fact that individual judges and juries are unpredictable, are there even enough paralegals with relevant knowledge of US patent law to throw at the problem of determining whether a given complex system is noninfringing or legitimately licensed against all currently valid patents? That's an epic task search and (somewhat)natural language processing problem.

    Indemnification is at least possible; but if you are practically guaranteed to have a few trolls hit you for low to moderate millions in the rocket docket, and there is the possibility of a huge lawsuit or two, it isn't going to be inexpensive, since it'll basically amount to insurance...

  • by hugortega (721079) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:00AM (#41436145)
    What this site really needs is an AI filter that sends all Samsung vs Apple news/comments directly to /dev/iamsickofthat
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:01AM (#41436155)

    Yeah same here! I don't give a fuck about Foxconn employees committing suicide, and being paid so little they have to live in their workplace, as long as I can has the shiny!!!! I'll carry it around as I'm styling in my Nike's made by under-aged slave labour in China, eating my chemical filled McDonalds spit burger because they taste sooo good!!!!

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:02AM (#41436163) Journal

    I loved his position that a piece of prior art could be dismissed because the implementation discussed ran on a different processor architecture. Judicial functionaries have a proud history of pulling distinctions out of their asses and calling them 'tests'(later given first names, if they catch on more broadly); but that one was classic.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:08AM (#41436249)

    *facepalm*

    Do you really think Microsoft is spending money on converting /. users to their way of thinking? Honestly, do you see Slashdot as being that significant?

    If Microsoft wanted to troll everyone here, they'd buy ad space from the Slashdot's parent company to appear here, not pay idiots to create a million puppet accounts full of inflammatory, poorly spelled diatribes. Grow up.

    (coming from a 10-year reader)

  • by Conspire (102879) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:11AM (#41436285) Homepage
    Yes, well unfortunately if companies go with "something tested like Windows Phone 8", there is no business model because nobody will buy their products.
  • Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Enderandrew (866215) <.enderandrew. .at. .gmail.com.> on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:11AM (#41436287) Homepage Journal

    Apple wins in GPU benchmarks, but Apple hasn't innovated with the iPhone in a while. All the key features in both iOS 5 and iOS 6 existed in Android and Windows Mobile first.

    When they announced the 4S and 5, you'll note neither have any key innovations.

    People want to credit for the full-screen bar phone with multi-touch as this brilliant design that everyone copied. In reality, it is a common sense design that appeared in sci-fi for a reason. Once it became affordable to make it reality, then 3 different companies came up with the same design at the same time (LG, Samsung, Apple). What has Apple done since then literally other than copy heavily from those around them?

    And yet they play the victim.

  • Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:14AM (#41436321)

    So playing with the phone for 25 minutes now counts as "using" the phone?

    You are an iphone fan. Like may other iphone fans even if you were handed a cell phone that was better in every way you would still say the iphone was better.

    Personally I feel you need to use a phone for a few weeks to begin to get used to it. All cell phones should have a 60 day trial period. You use the phone for 60 days. You can return that phone for any reason no questions asked up to 60 days. That way you can actually use the phone and see how it works for you. I know never going to happen, but it would be good to have that.

  • by PortHaven (242123) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:23AM (#41436447) Homepage

    Really, but if you dislike their products, and they're trying to prevent you from buying any thing else...that's when it gets personal.

    So I am using the system, I am meeting with my Senator. I am objecting, and if the courses available to me fail to achieve results than I will have to consider alternative forms of protesting Apple.

  • by sl4shd0rk (755837) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:27AM (#41436521)

    It's just not something you need to worry about.

    You're living in the exact blind loyalty dream world that every monopoly hopes people will live in.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:29AM (#41436547)

    Android isn't!
    Heck, google should go patent these same things, pinch and zoom, etc.

    The juror himself said it!

    The iPhone uses the A4 (or A5 or whatever it is now) processor, android ones don't. If Samsung tried to run their code for pinch-and-zoom on the iPhone, it wouldn't run without errors.

    This means that Samsung could patent, and the iPhone's prior art wouldn't invalidate!

    You heard it here first! Juror gives everyone the ability to patent almost everything in the software realm, by making patents processor specific. .... more specific than ".... on the internet" patents!

  • Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Zemran (3101) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:35AM (#41436651) Homepage Journal

    22 grams will not worry me but the iPhone 5 is Talk time: Up to 8 hours on 3G and the Galaxy III is up to 11 h 40 min (3G), I can manage that extra 22 grams in my pocket for 50% more use. As for ahead, I think that means the iPhones dual core 1.2 compared to the Samsung quad core 1.4. Content, total freedom instead of restricted, Samsung wins hands down.

  • by jedidiah (1196) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:53AM (#41436935) Homepage

    On what? Long filename schemes that weren't the least bit inventive?

  • Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jedidiah (1196) on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:56AM (#41436991) Homepage

    > I doubt Apple will ever copy the cheap feeling the Galaxy SIII has when you hold it in your hand. I have been an iPhone user since the 3G

    I dumped my 3GS for a Galaxy phone. This "cheap feeling" propaganda is just mindless rhetoric that is the last resort of fanboys that don't have enough clue to criticize something meaningful.

    You can't say anything technical so you go for the most superficial and subjective thing you can.

  • by jedidiah (1196) on Monday September 24, 2012 @10:07AM (#41437135) Homepage

    No. We just have some understanding of what's going on here.

    This just isn't about two marketing machines fighting. The US patent office and the US courts are involved. That makes the stakes considerably higher. The results could have serious long term consequences.

    In terms of "the big picture", patents very much matter.

    In some place they mean the difference between life and death.

    Your just trying to white wash the situation and pretend that there is nothing serious or important going on here.

  • by Morrighu (2737899) on Monday September 24, 2012 @10:13AM (#41437199)
    Everything that Apple sued over is prior art. Seriously.... 100% of it. I don't understand why Samsung's legal team didn't just go camp at the USPTO with their prior art and get those patents revoked. No patent = no law suit. What a bunch of screw ups. And Apple is infringing everyone from HTC to Mitsubishi to Nokia to IBM with their "patents". Feel free to pile on and offer up your own examples of prior art.... http://patents.stackexchange.com/questions/457/prior-art-should-invalidate-apples-patents [stackexchange.com]
  • by Twinbee (767046) on Monday September 24, 2012 @10:39AM (#41437663) Homepage
    Good to see paranoia reign supreme on Slashdot. Of course it must be that he's a paid shill, and not one of a hundred more reasonable and boring possibilities such as:

    1: He genuinely thinks that Microsoft's phone is a safer bet in case Android gets in more trouble
    2: He's a fan of Microsoft products or dislikes Google (yes, someone can still like a company, yet not work for them).
    3: He said it ironically/trollingly to get a reaction, as he too dislikes the patent mess, and wants people to get fired up about it (to motivate them or something?)
    4: He's somewhat ignorant about the whole (complicated) situation (as I suppose everyone is to a degree)
    5: Any combination of the above
  • by GPierce (123599) on Monday September 24, 2012 @01:17PM (#41440275)

    Actually, there is no "look and feel" currently, but years ago, Lotus won a lawsuit against Borland for exactly that. It took a number of years to get the verdict reversed, and in the interim, Borland was pretty much crippled. They couldn't obtain new investors. They couldn't even find anyone to buy the company. Despite this they still developed products like Delphi that were significantly better than anything M$ developed. Eventually the verdict was overturned.

    The final result of the financial squeeze was the firing of Philippe Kahn and the takeover of Borland by the bean counters. It was all downhill from there. The Lotus case proved that a crappy lawsuit can actually destroy a company over a period of years.

  • Re:Again (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jbolden (176878) on Monday September 24, 2012 @01:19PM (#41440317) Homepage

    Remember that Apple has specifically said that MeeGo, BBOS and Windows don't infringe. So it is all about stuff like pinch to zoom and skinning.

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