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Windows 7 Overtakes XP, OSX Struggles To Beat Vista 540

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judgecorp writes "Latest market share figures show the difference between perception and reality. Windows 7 just nudged past Windows XP with both around the the 43 percent mark. OS X and Windows Vista divide the rest of the spoils, with all versions of OS X only just adding up to a little more than the failed Windows version, according to data from Netmarketshare."
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Windows 7 Overtakes XP, OSX Struggles To Beat Vista

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  • Methodology? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Danious (202113) on Monday September 03, 2012 @09:41AM (#41212993) Homepage

    Some of the history there looks a bit sus. And how much can you trust figures that give iOS 66% of the mobile OS market and Android only 21%?

  • by Thantik (1207112) on Monday September 03, 2012 @09:42AM (#41212999)

    I actually hope this. Not because I wish Apple well being or anything like that, but I realize the hop from OSX -> Linux is a much shorter one than the hop from getting developers targeting OSX from Windows. Valve actually reused a _bunch_ of their Mac code in order to start their Linux port.

  • by gman003 (1693318) on Monday September 03, 2012 @10:25AM (#41213349)

    Let's see... Battlefield 3 is Vista/7 only, the next Call of Duty is Vista/7 only, probably more than that on the way.

    Main reason is that Microsoft isn't porting Direct3D 10 or 11 back to XP - you can only go up to D3D 9. As more games are tending to use D3D10/11, the burden of adding a D3D9 renderer just for XP support increases.

    And while XP and 7 may have just reached equality among the general population, gamers have upgraded far quicker. Looking at the Steam Hardware Survey, about 70% run some version of Windows 7, 13% run XP, 10% run Vista, 5% run OS X, and the rest are either already on W8 (0.25%) or "Unknown". Main reason, I think, is the prevalence of systems with >4GB of memory. 64-bit XP may have existed, but it was very rare, and had poor driver support. Vista was the first to ship with real 64-bit support, and 7 tried to make 64-bit the "default", moving 32-bit to "legacy". So all those gamers with 8-32GB of memory are running either Vista or 7.

    Consoles tie into this, but in a somewhat weird way. See, the Xbox 360 is sort of halfway between D3D9 and D3D10. So as long as the game has a port to that console (or *is* a port from that console), making it run in D3D9 isn't exceptionally difficult. But as soon as the next-gen consoles hit, D3D9 (and thus, XP gaming) are toast.

  • by danomac (1032160) on Monday September 03, 2012 @10:40AM (#41213499)

    Someone at work was asking me about laptops. She was in the Apple store looking at a new Air and the price tag (I believe it was $1200.) She currently has some run-of-the-mill Dell that's 5 years old.

    She was asking if a disk drive was required, and I said to install most software you'd have to buy a USB DVD drive. No big deal. But she also owned Photoshop and whatever Adobe video processing software for Windows. I told her she'd either have to re-buy Windows or buy native Mac versions of her programs. I also said for that $1200 you can get a really well-equipped laptop (her current PC is a desktop) and you wouldn't have to re-buy everything. I told for for even $700 you could get a decent laptop that would run the programs.

    Her conclusion? "Macs are too expensive. I like my iPhone, but not enough to buy a Mac computer."

    This is someone who doesn't understand technology that much. If someone like that thinks it's too expensive, then it probably is...

  • by smash (1351) on Monday September 03, 2012 @11:38AM (#41214025) Homepage Journal
    A windows box looked after by someone with half the clue required to maintain a linux box from upgrade to upgrade will not get viruses or trojans either. Of my fleet of 550 desktops in the past year we've had 2 cases of malware. And i haven't had to fix any hardware or software broken by a service pack, security update, etc.
  • by Osgeld (1900440) on Monday September 03, 2012 @02:11PM (#41215391)

    yea I just looked at walmarts website, for 600 bucks you get a 17 inch toshiba laptop with a 2.5ghz i5 750 gig hard diskand 6 gigs of ram, meanwhile you would pay 1,200 for a 2.5 ghz i5 with 4 gigs of ram, 500 gig hard drive, 13 inch screen and a OS that doesnt run half of what people want

    enjoy your logo

  • by _xeno_ (155264) on Monday September 03, 2012 @04:08PM (#41216265) Homepage Journal

    launchpad? shit.

    I tried pulling it off the Dock on my work Mac. It added it back for me. (I have a work project that involves writing an iPad app (for no reason, mind you, other than it's a buzzword), which means I have a Mac as my work machine. In case anyone wonders why I use a Mac.)

    high dpi support? in osx it's a fucking joke, it's beyond shit

    If anyone doesn't believe this, you should read the Mozilla bug on getting high DPI support on Mac OS X in Firefox. Basically, it's never going to happen because the API for doing it is so fucked up. ("But isn't it just rendering things at twice resolution?" Read the bug. It isn't. There are so many edge cases it isn't funny.)

    ui menus detached from apps on a big screen?

    I am convinced no one at Apple has ever tried running a Mac OS X on multiple monitors. It is beyond shit at that. It basically runs on the iPad model of "one app at a time." What, you want your test app in one monitor while the debugger is in the other? Fuck you! You get one menu bar, telling which app is focused is impossible, and whichever app isn't on the "dominant" screen has the menu bar on the wrong monitor.

    what's more, it's not intuitive at all! there's dozens of things in osx you just have to know, half the users don't even know wtf launchpad is.

    Remember how everyone hates that Gnome 3 app launcher thing? The thing that Ubuntu started forcing on everyone? Remember how everyone hates the Metro UI, to the point Microsoft has dropped the "metro" brand? That's the fucking Launchpad. Apparently it's been decided from on high that people like losing their entire screen to a display of giant icons they can slowly scroll through to find whatever they actually wanted. Bleh.

  • Re:Flamebait (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968 AT gmail DOT com> on Monday September 03, 2012 @04:22PM (#41216369) Journal

    You nailed it, I read the original and there was no "struggling" anywhere in the article, in fact the only bone of contention was they had 2 different sources that said 7 beat XP at different times (one last year, the other recently) so they simply gave both dates.

    As for TFA, why in the hell would anyone care if OSX beat Vista, which just FYI I made a ton off of removing like it was a Bonzi Buddy infection, when I seriously doubt even Cook at Apple gives a rat's ass about OSX numbers in the big picture. Their ARM based devices are making them truly insane amounts of money and they control the entire pipe, from the chips to the design, whereas with OSX they are stuck at the mercy of Intel and have no control over their releases. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this next refresh is the last one for the pro line after what they've done with server and FCP, they could just keep the Air and the iMac and make a lot more money with less refreshes.

    As for 7 I have a feeling you'll see it continue to climb after release because after running CP in the shop and letting everyone from teens to LOL play with the unit I've found most people can't fricking stand that Metro UI, might work great on a cell phone or tablet but its low res apps and badly done hybrid design with many of the low level system stuff and even MS Office 2K13 not being really touch friendly it just sucks on a desktop.

    Sigh...I have a feeling its gonna be another year and a half of "Get that damned thing off my computer!" when it comes to Win 8 just like it was with Vista. At least it'll be easier this time, everything has 7 drivers while there was a while there where it was a real PITA finding XP drivers for some of those Vista laptops.

    Seriously though devs, this place is full of opinionated greybeards, no need for the obvious flamebait headlines...okay? Hell you don't need to throw zingers at Apple fans anyway, they'll be happy to prattle on about how they are expensive but well worth it, like a girl talking about her Prada pumps. ;-)

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