The (Mostly) Sad Fates of 32 First-Generation iPad Rivals 270
harrymcc writes "Back in August of 2010, I rounded up 32 tablets — existing, announced, and rumored — that weren't the iPad. So much has happened to tablets since then that I decided to revisit my list and look at what happened to all 32 contenders. The results aren't pretty, but they do provide plenty of evidence that competing with Apple was far harder than most companies expected."
Asus Transformer TF101 (Score:5, Informative)
One of those tablets became the Asus Eee Pad Transformer. It's a gorgeous little Honeycomb tablet (currently 3.2.1) with IPS widescreen display and a docking keyboard option. It uses the dual-core nVidia Tegra 2 processor, 1GB RAM, and has a selection of ports you're unlikely to find all of on most other tablets: SDHC, microSDHC, miniHDMI, dual USB. Build quality is great and the color and texture are very nice. It has Flash and Netflix now, the full Google Android experience. The speakers are just awful, but there's really nothing bad about it otherwise. On Amazon 500+ people have given it an average of 4 stars [amazon.com]. It's not been discounted much ever off its original $400, and appears to be selling quite well. I bought one and couldn't be happier about my return on investment - no fiddling with alternative flashing and rooting. It just works.
The next-gen version is likely to be one of the first quad-core "Kal-El" Tegra 3 tablets out this year, and rumor has it the one dock will work for both and battery life will be even better than the current 8-16 hours.
So not all of these were disastrous it appears. At least somebody got it right. I hear the Acer Iconia Tab is doing well too at its new $400 price point. Yes, the vast majority of the initial round of iPad challengers were quite wide of the mark. But we seem to be narrowing in on a family of choices that can move a lot of units at their various price points. Amazon's Kindle Fire looks to be interesting at $200.
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Yeah, I tried the Transformer at a trade show when it first came out and it seemed pretty good. I just couldn't think of a reason why I'd want to buy it over a netbook that cost half as much.
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The main advantage over a netbook that costs less would be the IPS screen and battery life. All the same, to be honest -- I think I would have been just as happy or more so with a netbook or chromebook, which would also have been thinner and lasted a bit less on battery, but not been quite as
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I just couldn't think of a reason why I'd want to buy it over a netbook that cost half as much.
15-16 hours of battery life when docked is a pretty compelling argument. Also, it's convenient to use undocked while lying down comfortably.
The downside is that stock browser sucks on Slashdot (very laggy when typing comments). But, this being Android, you can just use Firefox or Opera Mobile.
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Even BlackBerry's PlayBook has what feels like a better browser.
RIM has had a competitive browser for a over a year now. It's in no way incomplete.
Take a look at:
HTML 5 Test - Tablet Results [html5test.com]
HTML 5 Test - Mobile Results [html5test.com]
As a blackberry user, I no longer feel left-out when it comes to web browsing. If you compare the old Torch 9800 to say, the iPhone 3GS (known for having a great browser), you'll find that the Torch actually does a little bit better.
Re:Asus Transformer TF101 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Asus Transformer TF101 (Score:5, Insightful)
Honeycomb 3.2.1 IPS widescreen docking dual-core nVidia Tegra 2 1GB RAM SDHC miniHDMI dual USB Flash Android no rooting quad-core Kal-El Tegra 3
This post explains everything you need to know about why Slashdot simply doesn't get tablet computing, and probably never will.
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I did mention the user reviews in that post, and down below I rate it "Toddler tested, toddler approved." It runs all the Android apps from my phone - full screen and beautiful detail, and I don't have to buy them again. All my content is "just there". This is slashdot, and specs are appreciated. I know calling out specs isn't the Apple way: it's gauche. But here it matters, and this isn't an iPad.
I didn't call out that with widescreen, movies look far better than on the iPad. I didn't mention that wi
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Apple has improved on their purchase policy. You can download things you've purchased without having to buy them again now.
Re:Asus Transformer TF101 (Score:4, Insightful)
Honeycomb 3.2.1 IPS widescreen docking dual-core nVidia Tegra 2 1GB RAM SDHC miniHDMI dual USB Flash Android no rooting quad-core Kal-El Tegra 3
This post explains everything you need to know about why Slashdot simply doesn't get tablet computing, and probably never will.
Yes, I guess we should all be satisfied with "4:3 is the best aspect ratio ever, we don't need any extra connectivity, and if the media is not available in iTunes we shall not want to watch it".
Re:Asus Transformer TF101 (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Asus Transformer TF101 (Score:4, Interesting)
I believe the point that was being made, which you seemed to have missed, is that the vast (and I do mean vast) majority of users don't care how much RAM their tablet (or phone) has.
And those people don't read or post on Slashdot.
They still love Transformers though. I started out using mine to take notes at client meetings, and I'll swear the thing is as infectious as the flu - every time I go back to those places, half a dozen people will be waving Eeepads at me saying "Look, I got one too!"
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And these specs are what makes the device work, and work well. And it's been selling well too, at about half a million units and selling out quickly.
See, unlike Apple, where one size fits all and specs don't matter because your only choice is to buy or not to buy (kind of like the Soviet Union), there are dozens of Android tablets and that's why the specs matter. Also the specs for the connectivity matter, because bu
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I care.
And I think you'll find that most of the people who visit this site do too. Remember we are not the vast majority of users, and know that 170MB for an android phone that you know is going to have several apps running at once won't cut it.
Most folks will just ask questions at the local Buy More or the geniuses at the Apple Store. Heaven help them.
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that the vast (and I do mean vast) majority of users don't care how much RAM their tablet (or phone) has.
I think that is a misunderstanding. They certainly care: just give them something with 16MB of RAM and a 100Mhz processor and they will know that it sucks. They may not be able to quote the numbers, but they most certainly care. But since this is a technical discussion, and we are comparing tablets to the iPad, it makes perfect sense to quote the specific figures.
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How? It's not about the hardware at all. Every tablet listed had buckets of hardware options, but they failed because every single one was a poorly thought out and was buggy a shit (because face it, Android and its apps are buggy as shit)... a common reactionary response to Apple's clearly planned vision. Purely reactionary "throw money at a problem we don't understand" behavior. Amazon is probably the closest competitor to the Apple vision because Amazon is working on its own version of the future. Th
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> Pragmatically, for vast majority of iPad users, Transformer would do everything they do with iPad just as well or better.
Exactly! /. Android fanboys/bois are hung up on hardware and customization, they have zero future vision, just trying to redo what apple has already done, which is why they don't get it and keep failing.
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, they have zero future vision, just trying to redo what apple has already done
I've no idea why you think that this was the point of my post. In any case, can you tell me how this [asus.com] is "redoing what apple has already done"? Can you point me at a similar Apple product?
Re:Asus Transformer TF101 (Score:5, Insightful)
Again, more evidence of slashdot simply not getting it.
When you get the user experience right, the hardware doesn't matter. It's not just "marketing" and "being duped into buying inferior hardware" here - the iPad works very well for what it does. Companies that try to market on "it has a faster processor than the iPad, so it's better!" are missing the point and aren;t going to attract the audience.
Obviously hardware plays a part, but the days of "the CPU is faster, so it's better!" are gone.
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Look, it is not just about marketing and it has never been just about marketing. Yes, Apple is great at marketing its stuff. However, if that was all it was good at then you would not have any repeat customers -- nor would you have a loyal fan base of Apple users. Not only that, but you would not have Apple as the highest rated consumer electronics company http://www.google.com/search?q=apple+customer+satisfaction+rating&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official [google.com] for multiple
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This is a very good question (Score:2)
If I want a Windows netbook my wife has an Acer Aspire One, so for my household I guess it wasn't an either/or thing. I agree that the new Brazos netbooks are pretty slick. But I have no use for a netbook. I've got several laptops, and around a dozen PCs set up around the house, servers in a closet and the garage. The whole house has wifi coverage, gigabit Ethernet to every room and a 50mbps cable Ethernet Internet uplink. There's no shortage of PCs here - I'm in the business, have to carry at least on
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You are lost (Score:2)
No mention of ViewSonic G-Tablet (Score:2)
The G-Tablet goes for around $250 nowadays and is among the better devices supported by VEGAn-TAB [gojimi.com] and CyanogenMOD [cyanogenmod.com].
The stock ROM bites, though, and the lack of GPS, magnometer, and limited LCD screen viewing angles might be an issue for some. But I'm pretty happy with mine.
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I too am very satisfied with my gTab which I picked up for around $280 from Woot in March. However one thing to note though is that Viewsonic is almost certainly not going to provide an official Honeycomb build. This is an issue because we need some binary drivers to get hardware acceleration working in third party HC based ROM's. Personally I've stuck with the Gingerbread based VEGAn-TAB ROM mentioned by the OP (and overall I'm happy), but if I were purchasing a new tablet today I would opt for one with
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I have this one too, and can confirm the above. The stock ROM bites, and having no experience flashing Android devices thought I had bricked it for a few weeks until I had time to read up. Now that I've fixed it I can see that it's really hard to actually make the thing unflashable, but finding the right firmware sets and drivers to get the job done is not a trivial challenge for the average person.
It seems unlikely Viewsonic turned a profit on these - they're selling through Woot now, probably bought re
That's why I waited (Score:4, Interesting)
I waited patiently for the Xoom WiFi before buying a tablet. I am glad I did. A lot of pre-Xoom products looked interesting, but lacked one or more of the following: solid OS, large name manufacturer, real (capacitive) touch screen, good compute power, decent amount of memory and storage.
It was too expensive... but so was and is the iPad. I didn't want an iPad, and now the Xoom is $100 less and LOTS of Tegra II, 10" honeycomb tablets are available. Perhaps too many! And Amazon's recent product intro and the success of the Touchpad firesale has FINALLY shaken up the market and prices are starting to drop rapidly.
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And Amazon's recent product intro and the success of the Touchpad firesale has FINALLY shaken up the market and prices are starting to drop rapidly.
Prices are dropping rapidly for companies who are throwing in the towel and dumping their stock. It's not a sign of a healthy market. The only interesting thing that has happened in the tablet market so far is Amazon going after tablets (and by tablets I mean the iPad) from the low-end through the ebook reader market.
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But HTC just slashed the price of their Flyer 7". Motorola dropped the Xoom price by $100. Other strong players are following too that are not exiting the tablet market and not giving up.
My point was that the manufacturers took notice how quickly and insanely people went after tablets when the price dropped enough. They will probably shift into a smaller profit margin with a larger volume type sales model now. Consumers will win. This is generally a good thing.
Re:That's why I waited (Score:4, Interesting)
They are definitely getting smaller margins, but they aren't getting the volume they need to make it worthwhile (lower prices to not necessarily equate to higher volume.) Report [businessinsider.com] from back in April :
"Global Equities analyst Trip Chowdry estimates that Motorola Mobility has manufactured between 500,000 and 800,000 Xooms, but has sold only 5 to 15 percent of them. Best case scenario then, according to Chowdry, is that Motorola has sold 120,000 Xooms; worse case scenario, it’s sold just 25,000."
And the Xoom is generally regarded as the best of the lot.
How long will these companies keep trying to get into a market where they aren't making any money ? Slashing prices reeks of desperation especially since components haven't gotten noticeably cheaper and they aren't making the volume to benefit from economies of scale. Like I said the best bet for real competition is probably the new Kindles. Amazon can sell these with an extremely low margin (or even a subsidized price) because unlike all the other tablet hopefuls they can make their money on media sales.
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And the Xoom is generally regarded as the best of the lot.
By whom? About the only good thing that can be said about Xoom is that it uses stock Honeycomb, and is thus the first to get updates. But others get them at most weeks later, so it's not a big deal (not as much as it is with 2.x phones). In most other respects, there are better Honeycomb tablets than Xoom on the market today. It just happened to be the first one.
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Actually, there really isn't that much difference between the various Tegra II 10" Honeycomb tablets. Mostly the same screen res, same processor, same speed, same memory, similar storage, etc.
Motorola did have slow updates at first, but that was also BECAUSE they were first (with Honeycomb). I am not trying to make excuses for them, but they did have a huge challenge trying to get Honeycomb working properly (and so did other early adopters). Things seem much more normal now- over the last few months, I h
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The difference is in the screen (Xoom one is not IPS, most others are) and available ports. Sometimes also software - e.g. some of them come with Polaris Office, which is pretty good.
For Transformer, of course, the huge differentiator is its awesome dock - not just for keyboard, but for battery life and extra USB ports and SD card slot. Another, smaller but still notable difference, is that it can read and write NTFS partitions from USB sticks and drives (they've licensed a proprietary NTFS driver for Linux
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"Global Equities analyst Trip Chowdry estimates that Motorola Mobility has manufactured between 500,000 and 800,000 Xooms, but has sold only 5 to 15 percent of them. Best case scenario then, according to Chowdry, is that Motorola has sold 120,000 Xooms; worse case scenario, it’s sold just 25,000."
Ah, music to my ears. Another fine tablet soon to be priced at $99.
Hey, it's still early. There is hope left in the world.
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Small niggle : those are shipments you're quoting, not sales. But it'll definitely be interesting to see real sales figures after christmas. I am starting to see some non-Apple tablets around my neck of the woods, not many but they're out there.
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Pffffft. Spoil Sport.
The advantage of fragmentation (Score:3)
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"Nature" is quickly running out of companies that haven't soured on the whole tablet thing. It's looking more like an extinction level event.
Meh (Score:2)
Acer, Asus, Samsung and Moto seem to be making a go of it on some models and are strong companies with huge economies of scale. Hundreds of companies large and small in China are running off small lots of low-end no-name tablets that are doing well in BRIC and on eBay and Amazon. Amazon just launched their own tablet and 90K units presold to end-users on day one isn't too bad a launch for a new product line sight unseen - it's not Apple numbers, but it will do. We see different things I guess.
Some compa
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Prices are dropping rapidly for companies who are throwing in the towel and dumping their stock ... The only interesting thing that has happened in the tablet market so far is Amazon going after tablets
Asus Transformer started selling for $400, $100 below iPad 2. It's at $370 on Amazon now, and there's no "fire sale" - they're on the third production batch by now and going.
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I don't see what this has to do with the fact that prices on tablets are clearly dropping. It's not like Asus is selling it at a loss.
There's not going to be a single product that will dethrone iPad overnight. It's got a brand image that's too strong, and a head start of over a year for tablet alone, and even more if you count iOS in general - which translates to more apps, more websites with mobile versions that are specifically optimized for iOS, etc.
However, I'd give it a year or two at most before Apple
Missed the Acer Iconia (Score:2)
After using the G-Tablet for a few months, I gave it up in favor of the Acer Iconia. The Iconia runs Android 3.0, has GPS, supports a Bluetooth keyboard and has good viewing angles which G-Tablet had problems with.
Certainly not as small as an iPad but it's been a pleasure to use. I mainly use it for testing Flash games. I looked at a more than a few of the devices in the article and none of them could compare to the G-Tablet or Iconia.
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Of course, the Iconia wasn't even announced until after the article was published.
The "us too" business strategy doesn't work (Score:3)
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Yet, they didn't realize it isnt just a tablet, but more.
Yes, they didn't realize that when you buy ipad, you are sexsiually pleasing Steve Jobs.
If you buy a non-Apple product, you are not sexsiually pleasing anyone.
That is the difference.
Yes, too rushed (Score:2)
I agree. The major problem was the hurry with which the competition went to market. Apple spent *years* refining the iPad before attempting to sell it. HP and others tried to clone it in half a year, and predictably most of them failed. The survivors will be releasing second-generation tablets soon, and that is when I will judge the strength of the iPad's competition.
Edge tablet (Score:2)
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Because people dont want tablets. (Score:2)
They want iPads.
Why are un-released iPad rivals considered? (Score:2)
I had the same problem with iPod alternatives. An google-found article "Top 5 competitors to iPod touch" had 2 or 3 (yes, you read it right AT LEAST TWO) devices that were not fully spec-ed or yet relea
He missed one... (Score:2)
He seems to have missed the Pyramid Tablet [wired.com].
Remember... (Score:2)
When the iPad came out and the /. thread was full of hows and whys other tablets would killing it in the coming year?
Then they said the same thing when iPad 2 came out.
How is that going exactly?
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You missed my sarcasm, evidently.
The Xoom was never a competitor to the iPad. I was playing on the "just wait, any day there will be a cheaper, faster, better Android tablet... any day now.... next month..... the month after that" for 9 months since the release (and leading up to the iPad release), and what did we finally get? The Xoom, which was more expensive than 5 of the 6 available iPad models, and shipped with the two most touted "missing essential features" (flash and external SD card) not working "t
Re:iPad's success is simplicity (Score:5, Insightful)
They're not really "iTaxes" as the iPad is the same price or cheaper than almost all alternatives.
I love mine. And my non-techie wife loves it. And our 5-year old daughter loves it. That's really what was important to me in my household. I have my servers and plenty of other tech toys to tinker with - the iPad was perfect for the whole household, though.
Re:iPad's success is simplicity (Score:5, Insightful)
Same here. I have two 45U bays in my garage. a few servers in those bays. A Linux desktop. HDHomerun in the attic. Media centers all across the house. And I bought my wife an iPad. Everyone's happy, except those people that think that owning an iPad makes you a stupid moronic cretin. But I don't give a rat's ass about them, so all is well in the end.
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Same here. I have two 45U bays in my garage. a few servers in those bays. A Linux desktop. HDHomerun in the attic. Media centers all across the house. And I bought my wife an iPad.
Well, see right there I know you're making this up, because no one with 90U in their garage and a linux desktop has ever kissed a girl, much less married one.
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Um, "I do". Right here.
I've got 3 CNC machines in the garage as well, various power tools, an electronics workshop etc. I'm currently building a fishtank [reefcentral.com], a task that I never really expected to involve writing ethernet drivers for 8-bit chips, metal-working, coding on embedded systems, plumbing, laying cement, wood-working an 8 foot long stand, etc. I get to geek out quite a bit, is what I'm saying :)
The only thing my garage lacks is any form of transportation. My wife is just fine with all the "toys" being
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I bought an iPad for my mom from the same reasoning - everyone says it's good for the casual user, so she'd be able to handle it easier than any Android tablet, right?
Well, nope. She thinks that the whole UI is inconsistent from app to app (compared to her desktop PC), and she absolutely hates iTunes. Indeed, her first question when she saw it was, "Is this really needed? Why can't I just drag and drop files on an icon in Explorer, just like I already know how to do with my USB stick and my phone?".
(She doe
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You can use something like Air Sharing to puy pics etc on the iPad through wifi. Basically it sets up a simple webserver and you just hit it from your web browser and upload the file. You can also, instead of wifi, use the USB cable and *any* copy of iTunes (do NOT sync!) to copy that file into air sharing. I work in a place with no wifi or ethernet, this is how i get quicktimes etc onto my iPad without syncing.
The downside, however, is that those pictures
etc arent put into your photo album, instead the
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I'm a Mac user but I almost never recommend to anyone who doesn't already use one to buy one. Anything new--even easy to use stuff--requires some learning curve and I don't want to hear about it when someone starts complaining that the Mac isn't just like Windows.
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Ah, but it's not about "just like Windows" - at least not with respect to the iTunes requirement. Rather it's not just like pretty much anything else out there (the only other modern gafgets I'm aware of that require a special program to transfer files to/from them are WP7 phones - hardly a good company).
More importantly, I would understand if there was a good reason for that difference, but I just don't see any. I understand why a lot of people do like auto syncing stuff through iTunes, but it's not like i
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I don't hate the iPad - I've got one at work and it's intuitive, easy to use, has a great software selection. It's just not my thing for buying with my own money. You're right: the littles take right to it.
But I can't be critical of you for drinking the haterade, because somebody might ask me about the horror that is Windows on a tablet.
That said, my Android tablets are all toddler tested and toddler approved. "Tablet, Gampa?" is often the first thing I hear on arriving home.
UI is one component of good engineering (Score:4, Insightful)
iPhones and iPads are solidly engineered all the way around (hardware and software) and [yes] targeted at a non-technical audience, but still quite usable by nerds.
I don't understand the condescending attitude that many nerds have about iOS devices and their users.
Re:UI is one component of good engineering (Score:5, Insightful)
Nerds are another form of hipster. If something is mainstream, they start hating it to make themselves appear to have more sophisticated tastes.
And yes, I am speaking from experience. I tend to be overly critical of popular movies just to look cool. I like to think I've toned that down in recent years.
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Pffft. You still watch films at a cinema (not movies at a theater, mind you)? How pedestrian. The real action is at my stereoscope parties, where we drink home brewed absinthe and discuss better methods for raising backyard livestock, or who makes the best handlebar mustache wax. :-)
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Out of curiosity, do you live in Sebastopol?
Interesting coincidence brewing here...
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"If something is mainstream, they start hating it to make themselves appear to have more sophisticated tastes."
That of course doesn't exclude mainstream suckage.
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I don't understand the condescending attitude that many nerds have about iOS devices and their users.
They got really bored of hating Microsoft?
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Add the myths that grew around iPods, about the levels of their suppos
Re:UI is one component of good engineering (Score:4, Funny)
If nerds could really detect idiocy there would be no flame wars.
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Apple has been the single worst PC name brand that I've ever dealt with. Of 3 machines only one managed to last anywhere near as long as any of my other PCs. One of them had a minor component failure while another failed completely. So much for that much over-hyped "quality". They were also prone to becoming obsolete much quicker than their PC cousins. They were less well equipped sometimes not even being able to run the OS they came with or use the apps they came with.
Despite fanboy claims to the contrary,
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If you want toys for Suri Cruise or Grandma Gump, pay your iTaxes.
I love how an obvious troll like this is modded "insightful". Stay classy Slashdot.
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I disagree slightly. The simplicity is there, but it's not everything.
In my opinion, the thing the iPad had, which no other tablet until the Kindle Fire did, was an existing use case. If you buy an iPad, you are almost guaranteed to understand that you can buy and watch movies, music, and TV on it. This seems like a little thing, until you realize that for the non-techie consumer, that's the ONLY value to it at the beginning. Understanding what an app is, or how you would play a game on a touchscreen, i
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> understand that you can buy and watch movies, music, and TV on it.
No not really. It's a device with anemic storage and poor or expensive network options.
So trying to use it as an oversized iPod classic might not work out so well in the end.
I have an Android tablet that is older than the iPad that use to consume DVDs, CDs, and PVR recordings.
It's kind of stupid to pay for something that you can only ever use with another Apple product. At least Amazon and Netflix stuff is relatively vendor neutral.
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I HATE Apple products and could never understand why people would use such a limited device.
Limits don't mean much if you're not running up against them. If all you want to do is browse the Internet, read ebooks, check your email, and use some of the applications available on the iTunes App Store, then you're not running up against any of the iPads limits. For you, the iPad doesn't have any meaningful limits.
So why wouldn't you use a product that does all the things you want it to do? Simply because it doesn't do things you don't care about?
I'm not saying the iPad is for everyone. I don't th
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What it boils down to, is who you'd rather have as your target audience. (and $5 says it's not your average slashdot poster).
The downside to this "nintendo wii" approach, of course, is that apple products in general are considered much less 'mysterious' and 'awe-worthy' nowadays than they used to be, as they're starting to be more associated with your average i-go-to-a-
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Re:iPad's success is simplicity (Score:5, Insightful)
Apologies for the long rant. I've seen the 'damn overpriced Apple' screed often enough that I've thought about it a bit.
Unless you're a programmer, you don't really know how much effort that simplicity takes. Your thinking that simplicity is a cheap trick is missing the point. It's not that Apple doesn't see all the good features out there, it's that they wait and spend many hours honing things before they see the light of day. Deleting features takes guts, it's telling a programmer you can't do your fun thing. It's keeping to a list of things that are integrated, even though checkbox marketers (Microsoft is the best example here) try to say you're inferior and you're getting nailed in product reviews. But, every feature that you have is actually usable.
You also seem dismissive of their tech. Apple has managed to put a hybrid microkernel/UNIX device with OpenGL graphics, 4 radios (CDMA, GSM, Bluetooth, Wifi), an inhouse designed CPU, and a capacitive touchscreen in wifes pocket. And as someone whose brain isn't wired for tech, she loves it. If you go out to a cellphone store now, you'll see many phones that copy that formula. For a desktop/laptop company to take over the direction of phone design in a few years says something about the quality of their engineers and designers. You seem to confuse simple with stupid, or rather simple on the interface with simple everywhere. It's actually a mistake Microsoft made with the Zune, and old versions of Windows CE. You also seem to make a mistake many people make where they think everyone is just like them but is missing some fact that would make them agree with you. Not everyone is just like you.
As far as the 'Apple Tax', you've evidently never taken economics. The price in the field is determined more or less by supply and demand. Every vendor would love to sell you their stuff for more. It's called profit margin. No one is ever forced to pay it. Consumers choose to. Only the vendors whose products are loved get to charge a decent margin. If they're not loved, no one will pay their prices. So, Apple charges iTaxes? Then, no one must be buying these things that are overpriced? Apple seems to be moving product fairly well. Only iPhones get to charge margin, and very similar specced android phones can not, because they're not quite the same. Even near-WIntel spec laptops with just MacOSX as a differentiator are getting sold. There must be something in that secret sauce of iOS and MacOSX that makes people want to pay more for them, even though Macs don't run Windows programs. It's all that effort you don't see, all that simplicity that makes iOS/MacOSX just work for most people. We have a macbook, and the wife's plan says to replace the aging Windows machine with some iMac once it finally kicks over. She's no fanboy (err, girl). Macs just are easier for her. And I'm a UNIX programmer, who ran FreeBSD for various jobs (besides Linux, Solaris, etc) and I'm low level enough to have done driver work (which shipped in a UNIX kernel) and I like the iMac idea. MacOS does quite well if it's simple enough for her to use, yet powerful enough for me.
As someone who has been on Macs since 89 or so, I can assure you there was no fanboyism about the Performa days or System 7.1.1. or the 'the Pepsi ex-CEO can design and move computers, right?' fiascos. Apple had their nadir, and they built up since then. There was no reality distortion field back then, they made hard choices, killed projects, (Copeland, Rhapsody, Pink, Taligent, etc) and started slowly building Apple to where it is.
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This.
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Thanks :)
5 Radios, I forgot GPS.
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"limited choice"?
I hear that again and again. It is such a HUGE myth. Give me an example, besides "boo hoo I can't change the color of my icons" or "waaah, i can't ssh through ipv6 to my home linux box". Please. If you focus on what is important, linux-like uber-configurability gets in the way more often than it helps, which is why the linux desktop has failed so horribly in the mainstream.
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That is the only reason Apple's inferior crap...
I'm sorry, but other than the "walled garden" business and perhaps price issues, what is it about Apple that causes you to say "inferior crap"?
I accept the realistic ideological opinions about the iron-fisted control Apple exerts over its products. But Apple's operating systems and other software are generally powerful and well written and thought out, and their hardware is certainly no worse than any other modern plastic crap - and many would argue Apple hardware is better designed and built than the aver
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Big deal. I've seen the same with GUIs bolted onto Linux. Apple has nothing special going on here.
They do have a killer marketing department these days though.
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There's nothing worse than Apple fanboys. Except Apple haters.
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Yeah because it's so bad when people object to 80s style DOS Lemming world domination rhetoric.
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Your post is an obvious contradiction.
"Polish" is nice but is the most superficial aspect of the product.
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Furthermore, you're on the BUS. A BUS. Why do you need to watch video????
You're right, he'd be much better off driving for 45 minutes and just listening to the radio. Or sitting on his couch eating processed foods watching the video. Lord knows the only thing to be done on a bus is to sit quietly and stare.
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They only mentioned the previous weaker gen of the archos tablets. The new Archos 70 and 101 are completely different animals. Much better products. I love mine and have had it for quite a while now.
We were given the weaker predecessors at work, lamentable and they batteries died (wouldn't hold charge) within a month or two. Got something else to replace them which isn't much better. Paper weights, basically.
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They mention tablets that were released way back, alongside the original iPad.
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You are not being honest with yourself. Apple has well and truly moved out of the fanbois base and now sells to the masses. Non-tech people totally love it. They barely have to do any marketing about the iPad, it's been very hard to get these past few months, it's been literally flying out of the shelves.
The iPad is good, face it. Eventually the PC industry might make a few good contenders but right now they suck. Win7 is not up to the task, Android is in between states waiting for 4.0 to come out and finally merge the smartphone and tablet versions with a reasonable "market". WebOS is a goner with HP calling it quits.
I understand you not liking Apple's products. No one is forcing you to buy them, you probably don't need them anyway. But you have to admit Apple has caught the PC industry on the backfoot with this one.
Also the MacBook Air, I totally want that one.
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You are not being honest with yourself. Apple has well and truly moved out of the fanbois base and now sells to the masses. Non-tech people totally love it.
Not only are they selling to the masses (if you don't think selling tens to hundreds of millions of devices is mass market you're seriously deluded), but they are turning them into loyal customers. The iPhone has by far the highest customer retention rate [bgr.com] around ("UBS: iPhone’s 89% retention rate crushes competition; next closest is HTC at 39%") and they continue to lead in PC customer satisfaction [tomshardware.com] figures ("Apple scored 87 points, ahead of HP with a result of 78, Dell with 77, Acer also with 77 and Compaq with 75. [...] Apple holds the highest score on record for the eighth consecutive year.") They're obviously doing something right.
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Apple is selling to a loyal audience, who buy apple products pushed with great marketing if they dont suck enough to discard. The other companies have to sell to the general masses, who prioritize a lot of other things than brand loyalty or hip factor first. That makes it hard to sell them stuff they wont seriously use.
A few weeks ago we had a hard discussion on /. under an article, in which an apple fan went as far to define "showing presentations while walking, looking at recipes in the kitchen" as 'mobile computing' to support his proposition, and in a serious manner, as if these could qualify as a good percentage of what computing can you do as mobile to justify the usability of the device.
The thing about a tablet platform is it opens up a usability paradigm - you wouldn't have thought of taking your desktop into the kitchen to back cookies. A laptop, maybe, if it isn't too big or clunky. But a tablet, ah, now we get closer to 'certainly' Imagine a chef working out new recipes in a **** restaurant, this makes a pretty strong argument for redefining mobile - use anywhere, for anything is the goal, now.
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Wow, you're totally missing the point. There are millions of consumers around the world with plenty of disposable income who like to cook! For many of them, using an iPad in the kitchen is quite a big deal and forms a significant part of their use case. It may not be how *you* use it, but it's certainly how they use it. (And me, too)
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There are plenty of cheaper 10" tablets around now that would be perfect for the uses you mention. You wouldn't even need Android 2, let alone 3.
Apple isn't ahead in hardware at all. When it comes to software, the only lead they have is that there are no dedicated apps for renting/buying TV shows and movies here in the UK. With the iPad you'd just rent TV/movies from tunes. I haven't tried the LoveFilm flash player on Android 3.1 actually, it may be more reliable than by now. Kind of a moot point considerin