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Apple Patent Points To iMac Touch Running OS X and iOS 239

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the because-they-can dept.
siliconbits noted an interesting little tale of a recently surfaced Apple Patent covering an iMac Touch with a flex base that switches from iOS to OS X based on orientation. There's some interesting food for thought in there ... I can't decide if I like the idea or not.
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Apple Patent Points To iMac Touch Running OS X and iOS

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  • Apple patent (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gumbi west (610122) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @10:46AM (#33355202) Journal

    By the time a patent becomes public the inventor has sent it in about three or more years prior. If we haven't already seen this, it isn't likely to happen soon. go to appleinsider and checkout all the "apple patent points to" things you've never seen. Obviously, they don't report on the patents that you have seen (who would read, "Apple patent points to phone with touch screen and accelerometer.") so it is a little hard to know the time to market versus time to patent delay, but I've never seen anything an "Apple patent points to".

  • Steve said... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by copponex (13876) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @11:13AM (#33355652) Homepage

    Steve said... [techie-buzz.com]

    Yep, freedom from programs that steal your private data. Freedom from programs that trash your battery. Freedom from porn. Yep, freedom. The times they are a changin’, and some traditional PC folks feel like their world is slipping away. It is.

    If Steve thinks the desktop metaphor is too difficult for most users, he'll take it away from everyone. If he thinks only signed applications should be allowed to run on your computer, he'll make it so. Of course, Microsoft could do the same thing, but Apple is certainly more likely to make those decisions. I can only hope they will keep the "mouse option" for pro creative users, but with Apple randomly removing FireWire, ExpressCard slots, and still failing to provide professional level graphics cards, most people see the writing on the wall: average joe consumers along with iPods and iPads are the future. Steve is a smart guy, but I wouldn't put it past his ego to declare the end of computers as we know them.

    OS X developers think the same thing. [arstechnica.com]

    Last week, we also hosted a live chat featuring several developers whose apps were picked for our Ars Design Awards for Mac OS X. We asked them what they thought about the future of Mac OS X and Apple's development platform during the chat, and then followed up on their thoughts about languages and APIs. While current Mac developers aren't nearly as concerned as our own John Siracusa about the Objective-C language in particular, they do see new and improved APIs coming down the pike. Developers are seeing iOS influencing Mac OS X instead of the other way around.

    The developers on our panel unanimously agreed that Mac OS X will eventually be subsumed by iOS, but that the Mac has plenty of life left. "Mac is the awesome old grandma, whose kids (iPhone & iPad) have left home," Atebits' Loren Brichter said. "Not dead; not really dying. But it's our job to keep her comfortable until she's gone."

  • by cowscows (103644) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @11:22AM (#33355770) Journal

    Well I said he was involved in those things. Apple has lots of smart people who are working really hard, no doubt. But they had lots of smart, hardworking people back in the 90's as well, when the company was crash and burn'ing. The turn-around started when Jobs came back, and has continued strong for about a decade. It could just be coincidence, but it's more likely that Jobs is providing at least some useful direction/focus.

  • Like it or not (Score:3, Interesting)

    by hsmith (818216) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @11:24AM (#33355796)
    Apple and Andorid are reinventing the way we look at software, "Apps" to be specific. Who knows where it will really take us - sure desktop software is a different ballgame than mobile, but what are people using more of? Our main "Software" of use has been the web browser as of late (For a majority of people) as well as word processors. Beyond those, what percentage of people use 2-3 other desktop applications?

    How many mobile apps do they use?

    As someone that writes mobile apps, the process is frustrating. We are seeing a mass dumbing down of the already dumb consumer. Everyone now expects all software to cost $0.99 - be feature packed, and work flawlessly. As anyone that develops software knows, "pick two of those."
  • by Samalie (1016193) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @11:28AM (#33355864)

    Sorry, but I'm getting fucking sick of the:

    "But when Steve said "You're holding it wrong", the preponderance of iPhone 4 owners said "Yes! YES! I am holding it wrong! It's my fault! Thank you sir, may I have another?""

    type bullshit around here.

    All but the absolute "Steve Jobs is God" wackjobs realize that Apple humped the dog HARD on the antenna design of the iPhone4.

    Yet I still bought and have my iPhone4...and my decision was made post-antennagate.

    Why? Because corporately I have two choices based on my organization's security principles...I can use a blackberry, which I once did, and which does, in actuality, lick balls. Yes, the "phone" part is excellent, and its a great email tool, but beyond that I find BB to be a giant steaming turd. Or I can use an iPhone. I had a iP3g, and the fucker lacked some features I needed that are present in the iP4. So I bought one.

    Yes, antennagate is VERY real. I can kill the signal to my phone at home with one light finger touch. And I absolutely think that Apple fucked the dog, hard. But the case I got for free solves the issue in a pratical using-my-phone sense...and compared to using a BB, I'll gladly give Jobs & co my money.

    Android, while having great potential, doesn't meat our corporate security policies yet. Once it does, I'll probably switch, mostly because of Antennagate and Apple fucking up. But until they get their security shit in order...its just not an option for me. (And, I'll also add, I'm in Canada...there are NO good Android based phones up here yet...they're all 2 year old turds).

    But really...all us iPhone users aren't fucking sheep waiting for the next time for Jobs & co to fuck us in the ass. But I guess you get a nice big stiffy every time you think about us getting fucked by Jobs, and have to spout this same tired shit in every iPhone related discussion.

  • by fermion (181285) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @11:29AM (#33355894) Homepage Journal
    I would think that Mac OS would continue in some form for the high end desktops and laptops. I would think for the lower end machines, which must come down in price to compete, might move to iOS.

    I would also think that as iOS is moved to higher power machines, xcode or something like would also be made available to code on these machines. Running the emulator for iOS is necessary for the moment. At some point the devices will be powerful enough to allow software development in situ. The iPad almost could run a graphics based IDE with a set of fixed routines.

    It is also worth remembering that the Mac is 25 years old and is what I consider to be the third major revision of the OS. To me we have the initial System, which evolved from 1984-1990. Then we had the Mac OS which started with System 7 in 1991 and ran to the turn of the century. We are now in the Mac OS X era, which really started big around late 2002. We may be in an overlap time. Versions of the Apple ][ persisted to 1990, even though the Lisa was introduced ten years prior and most people were buying Macs. I don't like the idea of iOS for general pupose computers, it is too closed, but maybe Apple is planning on leaving the GPC business.

  • by Anderson Council (1096781) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @11:33AM (#33355958)
    Avoiding the meaningless baiting and religious zealotry that brings nothing to this conversation...

    I'm a long-time linux user (since pre-1.0 Slackware), but have presentation needs that I personally prefer some software support for. Thus I use a presentation package --- PowerPoint typically. For a long time I would run linux on my laptop and dual-boot windows when I needed to do presentations. The nature of my work and personal preference requires the use of a Unix-based OS to get anything meaningful done.

    I first migrated to the Mac when I noticed times had changed and they had built something I had always thought they should do every since they bought the NeXT properties --- tart it up to look sufficiently as they want it to, but leave the Unix underpinnings for the developer/power user crowd (NeXT was great for that --- all the Humanities people I knew that used it had no idea there was a terminal on the machine and loved it...the fact there was a terminal meant I loved it too =). With office available on the Mac, giddy-up - I get the machine I want without dual-booting. Great!

    I've always had a worry in the back of my head that my happiness with Macs would be transient --- that as the platform regained traction they would start screwing with it in ways that are unfriendly to the unix crowd. So far, so good, but ever since the iPad I have been concerned they would push toward that being their OS rather than the full-blown OSX we have currently. I do understand the points people make about how developers need a development environment so the desktop OS won't be going anywhere, but that clearly isn't necessarily the case: no reason they can't build a suitable development environment for the more restricted OS, or simply leave it to developers to cross-compile. Bottom line is my utopian "main-stream unix-based OS that is friendly to the non-power user" may well be at risk.

    So fine - it's their company, they'll do what they want and probably make oodles of money doing it. But it will ultimately push me back onto linux full-time, and I'll probably just suck it up and learn to live with PDF presentations or OpenOffice as I have no interest in going back to a dual-boot solution...I'm getting too old I guess :).

    It will sadden me a little though as in spite of some of the vendor lock-in that Apple tries to encourage, I have been happy using their products and have built up a bit of an ecosystem I enjoy using. I realize I (we?) are not really the market they are concerned with dominating, but it's a shame they jettison the "win-win" product I feel they had in keeping both the unwashed masses and the developer/power user happy with what is available.

    Maybe good for Linux longer-term though. We are light years from where we were a decade ago in terms of user-friendliness of the system. Maybe this can be a tipping point and we'll end up with a "win-win" free OS which would be very liberating for everyone involved =).

    --
    ~AC

  • by rochlin (248444) on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @12:38PM (#33356996) Homepage
    Isn't IOS based on OS X? Maybe it's not an either/or thing. Maybe it's simply re-enabling a few more features in IOS that had to be axed to fit it on a phone with limited battery life. True Full multi-tasking comes to mind. Better support for peripherals & ports, and other such stuff.
  • Re:Steve said... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by guruevi (827432) <evi.smokingcube@be> on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @03:07PM (#33359546) Homepage

    The desktop IS too difficult for most users. Today I had to explain somebody how to freakin' print a PDF that does not have 'Letter' dimensions (the printer would ask for a different size paper which they didn't understand even existed). However Apple is not going to take the control away from desktop computer because that would be suicide. If anything, this would basically be something similar to Dashboard - run iOS apps in Mac OS X natively or maybe a detachable iPad-like device.

    Apple has maintained and even improved FireWire on most models but an ExpressCard may not fit in a 1.5" thick, 13" computer, in a 15" computer there is more place for that. My 13" does have and SD card slot. Who even uses ExpressCard? I have in my life had 2 or 3 PCMCIA cards (Iomega disk drive, 56k modem and ethernet) and I worked with computers for a good 20 years now, the only reason I have those is because Dell used to cheap out on those fancy network cards and a decent (non sound-card) modem. For most applications these days, USB is cheaper and more flexible than ExpressCard. The Iomega Clik I got from a garage sale because I thought the '40MB spy drives' looked really cool.

    What do you mean with professional-level video cards? Most of their machines have nVidia or ATi cards, none of their desktops except for the really lowest line have Intel cards. There is no need to put a Tesla in there I think although you could do that if you're so inclined. Oh, maybe you mean Quadro's - yeah, you may know that those are the EXACT SAME cards as the GeForce's - there is absolutely no difference between them except for price and depending on the driver you might get different performance results. And yes, I am involved in GPU computing research.

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