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Apple Patents Remotely Disabling Jailbroken Phones 381

An anonymous reader writes "Apple yesterday applied for a patent to allow remotely disabling electronic devices when 'unauthorized usage' is detected. The patent application covers using the camera to take pictures of the unauthorized user and using GPS to determine location, and it involves ascertaining whether the phone has been hacked or jailbroken, using those as criteria for detecting 'suspicious behavior.' The patent would allow the carrier or any other 'authorized' party to disable or restrict the functionality of the device. Is this Apple's latest tool to thwart jailbreaking?"
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Apple Patents Remotely Disabling Jailbroken Phones

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  • by jornak ( 1377831 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:22AM (#33313448)

    ...doesn't mean it's legal, right?

  • by Improv ( 2467 ) <pgunn01@gmail.com> on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:22AM (#33313454) Homepage Journal

    1) Unauthorised by whom?
    2) Didn't a school district try this recently and get some bad press for it?

  • It's probably (Score:5, Insightful)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportlandNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:23AM (#33313470) Homepage Journal

    a security measure for stolen iPhones.

  • by Sir Isaac1 ( 797524 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:23AM (#33313472)
    Just don't buy Apple products anymore. End of story.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:23AM (#33313478)

    ... to hate on Apple and never purchase any of their products on principle.

  • Bad Summary? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mark72005 ( 1233572 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:24AM (#33313488)
    It doesn't say the countermeasures would be used BECAUSE the phone is jailbroken, just that this is one of the data it could ascertain. Right?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:24AM (#33313500)

    Wouldn't that kind of action be in violation of the recent ruling that made such actions as jailbreaking legal on personally owned devices? I understand its a warranty violation, but that shouldn't mean that it should allow apple to restrict usage, etc.

  • Stolen phones (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:25AM (#33313510)

    Ummm, isn't this probably intended for stolen phones?

  • by WrongSizeGlass ( 838941 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:26AM (#33313524)
    They applied for a patent, they weren't granted one. I'm sure there is plenty of prior art on this type of thing (the cable monopolies come to mind with disabling set-top boxes or the like).
  • by click2005 ( 921437 ) * on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:27AM (#33313558)

    Thats for lawyers to spend 4 or 5 years deciding. By then it wont matter because even
    if Apple loses they'll get fined a few thousand in money off vouchers. Easily worth it
    to stop jailbreaking for a few years.

  • by hsmith ( 818216 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:28AM (#33313574)
    'unauthorized usage' means a lot of things. It *could* mean jailbroken, but - to those with a brain - it means the ability to remote wipe your phone, find it if it is stolen, etc. Remote wipe is crucial on the enterprise. While I question the validity of the patent (how long has RIM had remote wipe?), the actions are valid. Jailbreaking is legal, there is nothing Apple can do to that, so get over it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:29AM (#33313594)

    Library of Congress just ruled on the DMCA that there is no "unauthorized" use of a damn smart phone...

    Dont you love it when companies try to re-write laws and claim they are in the green?

  • by Java Pimp ( 98454 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:30AM (#33313610) Homepage

    This has nothing to do with Jailbroken phones. Where did the "anonymous reader" come up with that crap? From the first sentence in the abstract "This is generally directed to identifying unauthorized users of an electronic device." And nowhere in TFA does it say anything about Jailbroken phones. This is simply a twist on lojack.

  • Re:A new low (Score:2, Insightful)

    by bsdaemonaut ( 1482047 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:31AM (#33313626)

    It gets even funnier when you remember their old '1984'-based campaign, they've come full circle.

  • by Zeek40 ( 1017978 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:34AM (#33313674)
    No, it means that it's illegal for anybody else to do it without paying apple royalties. Since this isn't a feature that sane or rational consumers would actually want on their phones, I don't see why apple wouldn't license this patent to all the other authoritarian moneygrubbers out there, especially since being the only ones remotely breaking their customers phones would probably be viewed as a bad thing. The more companies they license this patent to (if they are awarded it) the better apple looks in comparison, and the more money they make in the process.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:41AM (#33313756)

    no, the feds decided not to prosecute, which is not the same thing.

    The civil lawsuits for invasion of privacy, taking picutures of semi-clothed teenagers in their bedrooms is proceeding.

  • by timster ( 32400 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:50AM (#33313890)

    No, the items you keep quoting are obviously merely members of a long list of example techniques for evaluating the likelihood that a phone has been stolen.

    There's no conspiracy theory here. Imagine that you were a phone. Someone enters the wrong unlock password a dozen times? Maybe your owner forgot it. You haven't been back to your home a couple days? Maybe your owner is on vacation. But when, IN ADDITION to all that, someone starts trying to unlock you, you'd have a pretty good notion that you're about to be hawked on ebay.

  • by oldspewey ( 1303305 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:52AM (#33313922)
    I'm rooting for apple on this one. If apple is able to successfully patent remote bricking of products that people own and have paid for, then the consumer electronics universe becomes significantly simpler and easier to navigate.
  • by tverbeek ( 457094 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:54AM (#33313938) Homepage

    No, they're trying to patent methods for determining when to disable something remotely. Jailbreaking was just one of the clues they would look at, along with other things that might indicate that the phone has been stolen... something the anonymous submitter either didn't understand, or chose to misrepresent.

  • by betterunixthanunix ( 980855 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:57AM (#33313968)
    Except they did say "and," they said "or." So you could detect the wrong password being entered too many times or you could detect that someone is trying to jailbreak.

    I do not doubt that the system could be used to detect theft (in the normal sense of the word) and disable stolen phones. However, I would not be so quick to assume that the system will only be used to do that. Neither Apple nor AT&T (nor any other cell network) is particularly friendly toward consumers, so why would you doubt that they would try to disable jailbroken phones (particularly since they can no longer claim it is illegal)?
  • by Z00L00K ( 682162 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @10:57AM (#33313976) Homepage Journal

    What's more worrying is if they actually have implemented it or are going to.

    This means that it's possible that persons with malicious intent can also intentionally disable the devices if such functionality exists.

    And another issue - vendors can now remotely kill devices that they consider to be too old to force users to buy a new one.

  • Re:Holy shit. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportlandNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:02AM (#33314064) Homepage Journal

    Or, you know, the headline and summary is wrong.

  • Re:A new low (Score:3, Insightful)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportlandNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:04AM (#33314102) Homepage Journal

    If they had gone full circle they would anti 1984. They've gone 180 degrees.

  • Comment removed (Score:2, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:09AM (#33314176)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Low Ranked Craig ( 1327799 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:09AM (#33314184)

    Jesus there are a lot of people out there that think they are freaking experts on this stuff.

    let's start with your first sentence

    No, it means that it's illegal for anybody else to do it without paying apple royalties.

    1. It's not illegal, it would be a civil issue. 2. If Apple is granted the patent they may license it or may not, and they may or may not charge royalties. Since you are an expert in this area you surly realize that the majority of these filings are defensive, right? That the primary purpose of most of these is so that when a patent troll comes after the deep pocket company like Apple that Apple can say we have patents in this area as well?

    Since this isn't a feature that sane or rational consumers would actually want on their phones

    Really? Since I'm certain that you read the application as I did, then you will see that this is a feature that a lot of people would like to have, including myself. I want them to be able to figure out who douche bag is who stole my phone, where they are and brick the device

    Maybe it's because I haven't had my morning coffee yet, but there is something irritating about sitting down to read /. in the morning and first thing reading a bunch of posts by people that clearly haven't bothered to read the article (I know, this is /. and I shouldn't really expect anyone to read anything) and spouting off bullshit as if it were the gospel.

    Now, RTFA and get off of my lawn.

  • by Java Pimp ( 98454 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:11AM (#33314218) Homepage

    The article doesn't expressly mention jailbroken phones. The patent does. It lists methods for distinguishing authorized users from unauthorized users.

    The patent does not equate jailbreaking with "unauthorized user".

    It is listed as one of several methods for "comparing the determined identity to the identity of one or more authorized users of the electronic device". Also listed among the "suspicious" activities is "removing a SIM card from the electronic device" which an authorized user is also allowed to do.

  • by mac84 ( 971323 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:15AM (#33314274)
    Give me a break. I know some out there are just certain that Apple is the Evil Empire, consider this. An owner loses his phone. There is no market for the phone to be an "un-jailbroken" phone since apple and AT&T won't allow it to be activated on the network. Unless it's jailbroken. The rightful owner or police want to use the camera and GPS to see and localize the thief. Doesn't sound any more privacy invading than what On-star advertises that they will do with your Cadillac if you report it stolen.
  • by postbigbang ( 761081 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:15AM (#33314278)

    Taking your pic might be novel. Detecting an operating system breach might be novel. Imagine your ISP coming into your machine, determining you have a virus, and wiping you.

    Sigh.

    Perhaps only Apple could think this one up. It's comforting to know that they're trying to save me from myself. Not.

  • by Flea of Pain ( 1577213 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:24AM (#33314404)

    Or you sold it.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:27AM (#33314436)

    B.S. No operator better determine that my phone has been stolen without me reporting it so. Unless apple retains ownership of the device, I suggest they stick their patent where the sun doesn't shine.

  • by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:51AM (#33314750)

    Wouldn't that kind of action be in violation of the recent ruling that made such actions as jailbreaking legal on personally owned devices? I understand its a warranty violation, but that shouldn't mean that it should allow apple to restrict usage, etc.

    It is completely legal for you to use your credit card today in Moscow, tomorrow in Sidney, and they day after in Tokio, each time buying a 50 inch TV. Completely legal. But the credit card company will lock down your card, because it is much more likely that there is fraud going on and it isn't actually you buying the TVs.

  • by idontgno ( 624372 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:54AM (#33314818) Journal

    Doesn't sound any more privacy invading than what On-star advertises that they will do with your Cadillac if you report it stolen.

    Well, other than the part where GM remote disables your Escalade and dispatches SWAT to your location because you installed non-AC/Delco(tm) spark plugs. Because, you know, only a dirty hippy commie car thief would perform maintenance on a high-end luxury device anywhere but a GM Goodwrench (tm) service center using genuine GM Parts (maybe tm).

  • by m2shariy ( 1194621 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:55AM (#33314828)

    Taking your pic might be novel.

    Nope. There is a prior art, remember that Pennsylvania school principal taking pictures of students at home? http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/2030207/Federal-Judge-Orders-Schools-To-Stop-Laptop-Spying [slashdot.org]

  • by crmarvin42 ( 652893 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @11:56AM (#33314852)
    Exactly!! This isn't Big Brother for your phone, but LowJack for your phone. I'd prefer it if my stolen phone is made useless to whomever stole it. It might help deter people from stealing it in the first place. No point in stealing something if you can't turn around and sell it because it has become a fancy paper weight.

    I bet my sister wishes this had been implemented for laptops already, seeing as some douchebag broke into her car and stole her 1 year old laptop containging all of the data from her masters degree. She lives in Manhattan, she'll never see that laptop or the unbacked-up data again.

    P.S. This entire thread is based on a blanatant misrepresentation of what the patent is for. I can understand not reading the patent, but it appears as though Mr. "Annonymous Reader" didn't even read the article that he submitted. OTOH, I find it more likely that someone with a /. account inentionally trolled the entire site using an anonymous submission guaranteed to start a flame war between the "Apple = Devil" folks and those who actually RTFA. Bravo anonymous douchebag!
  • by mhajicek ( 1582795 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @12:52PM (#33315534)

    Exactly!! This isn't Big Brother for your phone, but LowJack for your phone.

    Location and bricking on customer request = Good. Location and bricking on jailbreak = Bad.

  • by Requiem18th ( 742389 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @01:02PM (#33315654)

    He's either juvenile or has some sort of sense self determination and independence.

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