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Apple Censors Consumer Report iPhone4 Discussions

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  • by Chrisq (894406) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:14AM (#32886788)

    Yeh, when Jobs said his control over every Apple-user's computing was about "freedom from porn", we could have guessed that "porn" was just being dragged up as a convenient excuse.

    I don't know, when you see how excited some slashotters get about anti-Apple or anti-Microsoft news it looks like they are about to cream themselves.

  • by Omega (1602) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:24AM (#32886948) Homepage

    It's hard to know if this is censorship or if they just violated the terms of service and hatebois are flying off the handle. There are still lots [apple.com] of [apple.com] posts [apple.com] about [apple.com] the [apple.com] consumer [apple.com] reports [apple.com] unrecommendation [apple.com] on discussions.apple.com:

    http://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?search=Go&q=consumer+reports [apple.com]

    Still, if it's true it wouldn't be the first time Apple flew off the handle with the censorship (remember the Ulysses app flap [wired.com]?).

  • Re:It is their site. (Score:2, Informative)

    by Pieroxy (222434) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:26AM (#32886986) Homepage

    Why would it not be defensible? It's their forum on their website. They moderate it however they want. Aren't we in a free world or is the "free" only refers to customers, not to vendors?

    I mean, if the product is crap, get it back, get a refund and be done with it! Why all the fuss?

  • I mean, it sounds reasonable to prevent my angry customers from displaying all their filth on the front of my shop doesn't it?

    Try it some time. I picketed a computer store that took a $300 deposit on a $3,000 computer, with a promised delivery date, missed the date, then admitted they couldn't deliver it and wanted to make substitutions, and wouldn't refund the money. I handed out flyers to every customer who walked in the door. They called the cops. I told the cops I was exercising my constitutional right to free speech and wasn't impeding people from entering or exiting. They called their supervisor - who turned out to have had a similar bad experience with that store. Got the refund within the hour.

    Moral of the story - don't treat your customers like filth and they won't have cause to display YOUR filth in front of your store.

  • Re:mod parent down (Score:3, Informative)

    by chichilalescu (1647065) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:38AM (#32887192) Homepage Journal

    human spammers. when spambots are ineffective, you start paying people to spam for you (the chinese government does it for instance; also, I assume all parties do it before elections).

    and yes, someone please mod "studyabroaduniversit" down, and delete their account too.

    and you should be appalled.

  • by Itninja (937614) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:46AM (#32887350) Homepage
    I took a walk thru several of those cited links. They all had a post or two similar to this among the complaints:

    BUY IT!

    i have nvever owned an iphone before saturday but decided to get one even though i thought like you,should i/shouldn't i? best
    thing i did! i have had no problems at all. the screen is amazing, so easy to register and sync, i can easily take of
    photos and movies i have made though the auto play when you first use the usb to charge/sync the phone when plugs into
    your pc. the movies and photos are perfect quality. no reception issues here and my case has not arrived so its nothing to do
    with that!

    get one, otherwise you don't know what you are missing!!

    I am guessing marketing dept intern....

  • by Culture20 (968837) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:51AM (#32887434)

    They want a cool, sharp, designed world where everything is taken care of, by the caring giant that is Steve Jobs. He cares. He makes the world a better place. You don't have to worry about it.

    Didn't someone write a book about that?

    Indeed. They wrote a series of books. [wikipedia.org]

  • by RLBrown (889443) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:58AM (#32887574) Homepage
    Naturally, as soon as I read the Slashdot summary, I read the original at TUAW. The TUAW posting was as represented by the Slashdot summary: Apple is said to have killed all mention of the CR article in its forums. Being an Apple support forum member, I logged in. Yes, the particular posts were indeed labelled "you do not have permission...". EVIL, I thought. But then I poked around -- there are massive threads discussing the antenna in the Apple Support Forum, many dumping vile on the antenna engineering. So what was so offensive to Apple in the handful of posts that they did censor? TUAW helpfully pointed out that Bing had cached the offensive posts. Well, let's have a look there. The deleted posts were less about the antenna issue, and more about the quality and accuracy of CR testing. Expressed in highly emotional fan-boy terms. It would seem that Apple has not touched the real ongoing discussions of the antenna issue, but just taken down the threads that strayed into CR bashing. BTW, as a CR subscriber, I read the original article there, too. Yes, after giving good marks to most iPhone 4 features, it considers the antenna issue to be a fatal flaw. But it does not discuss the claims that the signal must be marginal in the first place, for the hand grip to make a difference. Nor discusses the possible smokescreen of bar generation algorithms.
  • by garyok (218493) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @10:59AM (#32887606)
    Ass. Censorship is suppressing information you don't want people to see. Coercion is when you make people do what you want against their will. Imprisonment is when you lock up people you don't want to see. They are different words because they are not the same thing.
  • by selven (1556643) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @11:03AM (#32887672)

    Just as freedom of speech protects the content on the speech but not the means of delivery (eg. throwing a brick with a message into a window is not protected speech), censorship is removing speech because of the content and not because of the means of delivery. For example:

    -slashdot.org closing itself down would not be censorship, since the removal is done because hosting is getting too expensive, something which is inherent in the act of posting messages on the internet.
    -You cleaning your car is not censorship - your intent is to remove the paint, not the message (you'd still do it if someone wrote something neutral, eg. the word "banana", on your car). This is more murky than the previous example, since having "motherf*cker" on your car is more unpleasant than "banana" but it's leaning more on the "not censorship" side.
    -Apple removing all posts about a specific topic is censorship - it's about the content.

    This is my definition, not the Webster dictionary one, so feel free to disagree.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @11:10AM (#32887794)

    In the Wiki article you cited:

    Corporate censorship is the process by which editors in corporate media outlets intervene to disrupt the publishing of information that portrays their business or business partners in a negative light.

  • Re:Yeah, it sucks (Score:3, Informative)

    by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @11:15AM (#32887882)

    what would you do if you were Apple?

    Remind myself that at one time, Apple was viewed as liberators from companies who were trying to subvert their users? Remind myself that hackers used to view Apple as a friend who was ending the age of begging for computer time? Remind myself of the days when customers were not viewed as sheep whose wallets need fleecing, and when Apple employees were not tasked with finding ever more effective ways to extract money from the customers?

    Maybe I would take notice that the Free Software Foundation mentions "Apple" before "Microsoft" when describing threats to user freedom. Perhaps I would take a moment to notice that Apple's own attempt at building a hacker community failed miserably because of the level of control that Apple insisted on. If Apple has to censor its forums to maintain its image, they are in a very precarious position.

  • by dirtyhippie (259852) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @11:25AM (#32888024) Homepage

    I RTFBingCache of the removed posts, and there was nothing useful there. Yes, it pointed to the consumer reports article, but after that there was nothing but trolling.

  • by lophophore (4087) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @11:53AM (#32888460) Homepage

    This is SOP for Apple.

    When Airport Express units started dropping like flies, all reports about the problem were deleted from their forums.

    They don't like criticism of their products, true or not.

  • Re:why? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Dialecticus (1433989) on Tuesday July 13, 2010 @05:58PM (#32893494)

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