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Firefox Home Coming To iPhone, Browser Next? 170

Posted by StoneLion
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siliconbits writes "Mozilla has launched an iPhone app called Firefox Home that gives iPhone users instant access to their Firefox browsing history, bookmarks, and the set of tabs from their most recent browser session. What's more, it provides Firefox Awesome Bar capability that enables people to get to their favorite websites with minimal typing." With the Mozilla blog promising "There will be more to come," can the full browser be far behind?

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Firefox Home Coming To iPhone, Browser Next?

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  • by XPeter (1429763) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:24AM (#32361776) Homepage

    It's quite shocking to me that Apple is allowing any Mozilla software to come to the App Store from the get go; but regardless it's great news to have open source infiltrating Apple's proprietary market.

  • by StripedCow (776465) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:29AM (#32361848)

    It would be nice if we could run javascript/html5/css3 code on Apple products (plus minor extensions for accessing local stuff etc), via Mozilla. Then we could finally write useful platform-independent apps that also run on Apple products.

    --
    while [ 1 ]; do curl "http://apple.com" > /dev/null; done

  • Awesome Bar (Score:5, Informative)

    by Richard_at_work (517087) <richardprice&gmail,com> on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:44AM (#32362090)
    Please, not more 'Awesome Bar' stuff, its the bane of my life. Heres my problem with the 'Awesome Bar':
    1. I start typing 'stackoverflow', with the intent of tabbing to 'stackoverflow.com'
    2. At 's' I get one URL suggested, but not the front page. I have visited this page once before in living memory. Its not in my bookmarks either.
    3. At 'st' I get another URL suggested, but not the front page. Again, I have visited this page only once before and its not in my bookmarks either.
    4. Repeat the last two steps until I get to 'stackoverf' when it finally suggests the front page of Stackoverflow.com to me

    And theres no way to turn it off. Fantastic. Highlighting the options in the url bar and hitting delete doesn't get rid of them either. Fantastic.

    • by thijsh (910751) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:54AM (#32362188) Journal
      Yeah, this pisses me off... why no expanding results that always include the 'smart' homepage like:
      - Stackoverflow.com (1 more) +
      --- Stackoverflow.com/ random_article_with_terrible_long_url_so_its_more_work_ to_select_this_and_go_back_home_than_type _stackoverflow.com_directly/2y498624392328874...
    • Re:Awesome Bar (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:59AM (#32362242)

      You just have to learn to train it. I removed my bookmarks toolbar shortly after the awesome bar came out.

      In your situation, type until you get stackoverflow.com, tab complete, hit enter. Do it a couple more times, s will tab complete to stackoverflow.

    • Re:Awesome Bar (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:00AM (#32362266)

      And theres no way to turn it off. Fantastic

      about:config
      browser.urlbar.maxRichResults - value=0

      Highlighting the options in the url bar and hitting delete doesn't get rid of them either. Fantastic.

      Highlight and delete definitely removes entries from the Awesome Bar database, just confirmed in 3.5 and 3.6.

      Just blame the software for your inability to use it. Fantastic.

      • Re:Awesome Bar (Score:3, Informative)

        by Richard_at_work (517087) <richardprice&gmail,com> on Thursday May 27, 2010 @02:36PM (#32365778)

        about:config browser.urlbar.maxRichResults - value=0

        Suggested every time I mention this - it does not turn off the 'Awesome Bar', it just cripples it in some ways. It does not accomplish what I want.

        Highlight and delete definitely removes entries from the Awesome Bar database, just confirmed in 3.5 and 3.6.

        Just blame the software for your inability to use it. Fantastic.

        Wow, I've been getting it so wrong all these .... wait one moment, still doesn't work. Just confirmed it.

        Do you really think I hadn't actually tried what I posted? Really? You really think there is *any* possibility of user error in 'highlight and delete'?

    • Re:Awesome Bar (Score:3, Insightful)

      by VGPowerlord (621254) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:04AM (#32362334) Homepage

      I can't see why anyone would actually want to port the 'Awful Bar' to another device.

      No, seriously, I can't.

    • Re:Awesome Bar (Score:3, Informative)

      by HockeyPuck (141947) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:05AM (#32362350)

      Add tags to your bookmarks, tags come up before cache hits.

    • Re:Awesome Bar (Score:3, Informative)

      by owlnation (858981) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:31AM (#32362764)

      "Please, not more 'Awesome Bar' stuff, its the bane of my life."

      Couldn't agree more. Awesomebar is the single reason I have not, and will never, upgrade Firefox. I'm running the version previous to its addition, and am staying with it.

      Were it not for the plugins, Firefox would have been deleted off my system the moment they released the version with awesomebar. Once another browser develops a plugin system as good as that available for Firefox, it will most surely be gone.

      Awesomebar is symbolic for all that is wrong with Firefox. The fact that Mozilla seems to view it as a success, still touts it as a feature, just shows how totally out of touch they are with their userbase.

      • by aztracker1 (702135) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @01:08PM (#32364318) Homepage
        There's always Chrome, most of the good extensions for Firefox have Chrome alternatives. Personally, it bugs me that the window chrome (the application window borders/titlebar) are overridden in chrome, also that the UI just feels very alien and is the biggest reason I don't use it. If they moved the tabs *into* the window, and used more native looking UI elements I'd probably have switched by now. It's actually one of the bigger reasons why I use Firefox... on OSX it looks like an OSX app, on Windows it looks like a Windows app, on Linux, well looks more like a Gnome/GTK app than a KDE/Qt app.
      • Re:Awesome Bar (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Dog-Cow (21281) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @01:51PM (#32365054)

        I like the Awesome Bar. I think it's much more likely that you're an anal-retentive asshole.

    • by JustinOpinion (1246824) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @12:49PM (#32364024)

      Highlighting the options in the url bar and hitting delete doesn't get rid of them either.

      Use "Shift + Delete" while one of the items is highlighted and it will be removed. (Unless it's a bookmark, in which case you need to remove it from your bookmarks.)

      In your case, you could go to stackoverflow.com, then click the bookmark icon (the little star to the right of the address bar). This will give this URL higher priority. In fact you can add tags/keywords to the bookmark while you're at it, to identify the site by a more unique word that is easier to type. Or add the tag "stack" to it so that this bookmark will be heavily associated with you typing "s-t-a-...".

      This is usually enough to promote a given URL so that awesomebar will put it first. If not, you might have to type "s-t-..." and select it a few times to train the system that this URL is higher priority.

      Yes, it's a bit annoying to have to train/fiddle with it. But for many of us, the amount of fiddling with the awesomebar is much lower than it once was fiddling with bookmarks and the like. The vast majority of the time, I start typing in the awesomebar and it brings me where I want (usually within two or three characters typed). There are some times when it doesn't... and this is frustrating (all the more since I've gotten used to relying on it). But, as I've outlined above, you can then manually promote the behavior you want. The awesomebar is not perfect, but it is quite useful for many of us. (Again, your mileage may vary... my main point is that many of us use it productively. If you don't like it, that's fine too. You can either begrudgingly learn to use it more efficiently, switch to another browser, or continue being annoyed by it. Your call.)

  • Why not switch? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nightfire-unique (253895) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:47AM (#32362124)

    I honestly don't mean this as a troll. I just don't understand something here.

    If application compatibility is an issue for you, why not ditch apple's proprietary device and buy one of the many Android devices? Or if you're a *nix user, an n900?

    I'm truly baffled by the iPhone's continued popularity amongst my fellow engineers.

    • by DdJ (10790) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @04:14PM (#32367496) Homepage Journal

      If application compatibility is an issue for you, why not ditch apple's proprietary device and buy one of the many Android devices? Or if you're a *nix user, an n900?

      Because application compatibility is simply not the only issue. It's an issue, but one among many.

      Related concept: the FSF recently asserted that Apple sets up the iPhone ecosystem so that Apple's interests come first, and the interests of Apple's business partners come second, and the interests of the actual end-user buying the device come third.

      Well, let's say I accept that. Does that mean I should not buy an iPhone?

      What if, even granting that prioritization, the iPhone is still the device that serves my interests better than any other device does? Should I accept a device that benefits me 60% less than an iPhone, simply because by doing so I make sure that the benefit to other parties is lowered by significantly more than that 60%?

      (You may say "yes". I know many people who wouldn't, though, and hopefully this exercise helps you see why.)

  • Why the iPhone? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mcgrew (92797) * on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:54AM (#32362196) Homepage Journal

    Considering that the iPhone is limited to AT&T (the network I hate most) and is completely closed, why not Android? Android is open source and on many different networks.

    I wish I could get FireFox on my i776, it has perhaps the worst browser I've ever seen (OpenWave). Maybe they designed it to be bad, so it wouldn't be used much, since it's Boost Mobile and has unlimited everything for a $50/month flat fee with no contract.

    I'm getting tired of hearing about the iPhone. Come on, Mozilla, get with the program -- ANDROID!

  • by Logical Zebra (1423045) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @10:57AM (#32362234)
    ...as long as it comes equipped with AdBlock.
  • by Trufagus (1803250) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:13AM (#32362510)
    This is not news. Mozilla is free to put as many apps as they want on the iPhone so long as they follow Apple's rules. Unfortunately, Apple won't tell us what those rules are, but we have a pretty good idea that you can't say anything bad about Apple or powerful people, and you can't compete with any Apple technologies or strategic plans (e.g. what Google Voice did). So, it would be news if Mozilla puts Firefox on the iPhone without stripping out their HTML5 Ogg support since Apple has a financial interest in H264. If Mozilla gets Firefox on the iPhone by agreeing to tailor Firefox to Apple's wishes (e.g. strip out Ogg or anything else that Apple doesn't like) then that would be a total sellout on Mozilla's part.
    • by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:50AM (#32363000)

      f Mozilla gets Firefox on the iPhone by agreeing to tailor Firefox to Apple's wishes (e.g. strip out Ogg or anything else that Apple doesn't like) then that would be a total sellout on Mozilla's part.

      Mozilla can get Firefox on the iPhone the same way Opera did, by following the rules. No interpreted code, which probably means a complete rewrite of the Firefox architecture. Mind you, there are apps to play Ogg on the iPhone, so I doubt that would be an objection. Apple doesn't seem to have any problem with Ogg in general, they just want to use a hardware optimized format as much as possible for defaults.

      Apple has a financial interest in H264

      You should probably do some more research. Apple makes little or nothing in H.264 licensing. They're a very minor patent holder in the pool. It's not in any way significant compared to the money they make selling more iPhones and iPods.

    • by jo_ham (604554) <joham999@@@gmail...com> on Thursday May 27, 2010 @01:39PM (#32364818)

      "Financial interest in H.264" - you mean 1 patent, out of the thousands in the pool.

      I'm sure they bet the company on that one!

  • by darthflo (1095225) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:13AM (#32362514)

    Opera Mini (5 beta, available from the market) can make use of Opera Link, keeping bookmarks and co. in sync through all desktop and mobile instances configured for the same user.

    In addition to what Fx and Fx Home do, it also includes a fast rendering engine, better UI, snappier JavaScript, a better developer console, an awesomer bar and a bunch of other stuff. With alternatives like Chrome and Opera, when can we finally put that XULly abomination to rest?

  • No (Score:3, Informative)

    by netsharc (195805) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:24AM (#32362654)

    From their Wiki [mozilla.org]:

    Does this mean Firefox will be available on the iPhone?
    No. We do not have plans to ship the full Firefox browser for the iPhone. Due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution, we cannot provide users the full Firefox browsing experience on the iPhone. For details, see Mobile/Platforms.

    Reading is so passé, why have YouTube if you have to read? 3-step instruction? Don't read, listen to some nerd with dweeby voice ramble about it for 10 minutes on YouTube!

  • by Skuld-Chan (302449) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:48AM (#32362972)

    It makes even the smallest advances in technology major breakthroughs on a platform...

  • by pbhogan (976384) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @11:51AM (#32363024)
    If they intend to bring FireFox to the iPhone, they've got to get a handle on it's memory gobbling first. It has gotten better over the last while, but leave FF open for any length of time and you suddenly have several hundred megabytes of RAM chewed up, especially on OS X where it stays resident even if you close all tabs.
  • by SphericalCrusher (739397) on Thursday May 27, 2010 @12:07PM (#32363296) Homepage Journal
    I figured iPhone would already have Firefox's Fennac browser that the Droid has. It's a little slow, but nice.

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