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Apple Update Means Palm Pre Can No Longer Sync With iTunes 841

Posted by timothy
from the watch-the-antitrusters-froth dept.
endikos writes "Apple updated iTunes to version 8.2.1. According to the changelog, it offers bug fixes and 'addresses an issue with verification of Apple devices.' In other words, 'Buzz off, Palm Pre. You ain't no iPhone.'"
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Apple Update Means Palm Pre Can No Longer Sync With iTunes

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  • Doubletwist? (Score:5, Informative)

    by bitkari (195639) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @05:53PM (#28709711) Homepage
    You could always use DVD Jon's DoubleTwist [doubletwist.com] to sync the Palm Pre.

    It reads iTunes libraries (including those irritatingly hidden away on iPods/Phones) and syncs to lots of devices quite nicely.

    It's not exactly full-featured enough yet to use as your main media player, but it's really useful for moving stuff between devices.
  • by tolan-b (230077) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @06:03PM (#28709827)

    Intel were sued for illegal business practices. They used their virtual CPU monopoly to bully or 'bribe' system builders into not stocking AMD.

    I'm loving how many USians are getting their panties in a twist about it though, so don't let me stop you. ;)

  • by LWATCDR (28044) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @06:16PM (#28709969) Homepage Journal

    Bull pucky
    http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/03/apple-apparentl/ [wired.com]
    From this Apple makes .29 cents per song and made over 570 million dollars in 2008!
    So unless you are a member of the royal family your statement about not making any significant money is just false.

  • by Bassman59 (519820) <andy.latke@net> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @06:16PM (#28709973) Homepage

    Why does it need to be any more complex than artist->album?

    I've never understood the need for genre's (apostrophe FAIL)(especially seeing as they're pretty vague and meaningless). Why the hell would I care about years?

    Why care about year of release? Because a lot of folks like to sort their albums, by each artist, in the order in which they were released.

  • by zullnero (833754) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @06:30PM (#28710131) Homepage
    I like it far better, anyway. It's simple and does what I want, and that's just to move media around. Works flawlessly with the Palm Pre, heck, DVD Jon HAS a Pre. DoubleTwist Manages Your Pre Media, Freely, Easily, and Transparently [precentral.net]

    If you're hooked on iTunes, seriously, you need to get over that, there ARE fine replacements for it. People were listening to digital music long before the iPod ever came out. Unfortunately, Apple tricked a lot of people into thinking that they were paying for music and supporting the artists, but their intention obviously was to control the platform. Any company that would charge for media, but then block you from using it on the device you want to use that media on are not worth your time and money, and if you've been doing business with them, sorry, they've ripped you off. This is a fine example of how Apple is more dangerous than M$ ever was in regards to anti-competitive and anti-innovative behavior.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @06:53PM (#28710385)

    Top seller on the web, huh?
    Really do you think there's a chance?...

    They already are the top retailer (in the US) period. Not just on the web, but everywhere.
    http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/03itunes.html

  • by twitchingbug (701187) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @06:54PM (#28710391)

    It's funny that you actually believe Apple's marketing to be the truth. Wake up, Apple is a for profit company that will protect it's interests. You're naive to think otherwise.

    oh instead of complaining about, go install something else on your computer. Sheesh.

  • by sarahbau (692647) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @07:05PM (#28710519)

    Maybe because apple IS a hardware company. They use software to drive hardware sales. OS X sells Macs; the iTunes Music Store sells iPods; the App Store sells iPhones. They can't very well sell their hardware if other hardware companies start circumventing the things that tie Apple's hardware to their software. The Pre pretending to be an iPhone when connecting to iTunes is similar to Psystar making PCs think they're Macs.

  • by MeNeXT (200840) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @07:16PM (#28710625)

    Nokia already syncs with iTunes, contacts and such. http://europe.nokia.com/get-support-and-software/download-software/nokia-multimedia-transfer and in some cases it is much better than iTunes. No need to connect any wires it will sync with bluetooth..... You can browse the files, change memory cards, thansfer file with bluetooth, full mp3 as ringtone unlike iphone which has a limit of ~40 seconds and needs to have the file renamed .m4r...

    The only problem with Nokia is that they continue to allow the phone companies to cripple their phones. A nokia mp3 capable phone even maintains the itunes playlists. Common Nokia sell the phones directly to the public.

  • Re:Just deserts. (Score:2, Informative)

    by sbeckstead (555647) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @07:34PM (#28710789) Homepage Journal
    Yes but it is not the monopoly itself that is illegal, it is using that monopoly to keep competitors from competing by coercion. MS used their monopoly power to set the price of and force the installation of their OS and no other. Dell, HP and Compaq all started that particular anti-trust action when they complained to the states attorney general that MS was doing this. When Ma Bell got so big that no other phone system or company could offer competing services because all the lines were owned by AT&T (Ma Bell) and AT&T set the prices for all transport to the customer, the Anti-trust laws kicked in.
  • Re:Just deserts. (Score:4, Informative)

    by WCguru42 (1268530) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @07:38PM (#28710823)

    Until Ipod holds a 90% or larger share and they use that to illegally force people out of ANOTHER marketplace, you really dont know what you are talking about.

    Um, the iPod has been hovering above and below that number for a while. Kinda Legitimate Proof [pcmag.com].

  • by Bogtha (906264) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @07:39PM (#28710829)

    Ignoring trademark violations

    I don't think this is likely to be a concern anyway. There's a clear parallel with Nintendo's case where reproducing their logo was necessary for interoperability, and although it's never gone to court, the same applies to browser vendors' user-agent strings, including Apple's. Apple's Safari browser claims to be Mozilla in its user-agent string for interoperability purposes. It's hard to see how that differs from what Palm are doing.

  • by gyrogeerloose (849181) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @07:59PM (#28710979) Journal

    People of European descent who live or lived in what's now called the United States of America have been calling themselves Americans since long before there was a United States thereof and were widely known as such in Europe. They saw no reason to change that after they defeated what was then the most powerful military state in the world largely because:

    1. They were used to referring to themselves as Americans.

    2. "United Statesians" didn't exactly roll off the tongue.

    Any other conjecture, theory or wild-assed guess relating to residents of the United States "appropriating" the term American is utter nonsense.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @08:36PM (#28711277)

    Who cares? What are they going to do about it? They have no power to stop them.

    Amazing how the Apple zealots come out for DRM and such when someone tries to compete with Apple.

  • by BitZtream (692029) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @09:47PM (#28711851)

    No, safari says its a mozilla compatible browser called Safari. And IE does roughly the same thing.

    They don't say 'Hey, I am mozilla the browser' the say 'hey, I'm a mozilla compatible browser called: Safari version 4.0.112512, using WebKit 1.0.x' or whatever version it happens to be at the time.

    The pre on the other hand says 'Hey, I'm an iPod!'

  • by BasilBrush (643681) on Thursday July 16, 2009 @07:00AM (#28714865)

    ...but nearly every other operating system software company is out of business or going that way. And when Apple allowed clones to run Mac OS, they lost market share.

    Apple's business model of using software to support their own hardware sales works well for them. There's no reason for them to change.

  • by lxs (131946) on Thursday July 16, 2009 @07:02AM (#28714879)

    I tend to take URLs that have a /pr/ in them with a spoonful of salt.

  • by mdwh2 (535323) on Thursday July 16, 2009 @08:32AM (#28715719) Journal

    Takes ages importing files; can't refresh when you add new files or update an mp3 tag, you need to reimport everything (if there is a way of doing it, the interface is so bad I can't find it). Often locks up doing stuff for no apparently reason. Non-standard interface. Can't cope with reading from filenames, so files have to be tagged in order to use them.

    I prefer a program that Just Works.

    The only "holy war" action is that I'll probably get modded down for saying something critical of Apple's software.

  • by BasilBrush (643681) on Thursday July 16, 2009 @10:49AM (#28717747)

    Takes ages importing files; can't refresh when you add new files or update an mp3 tag

    What's ages? It'll take a fraction of a second per file. But it is scanning the file to set a normal playback level. If you want you can switch that off, and it;l be the same speed as your other app that doesn't have that feature.

    can't refresh when you add new files or update an mp3 tag, you need to reimport everything

    Nonsense. Of course it refreshes. Perhaps you are trying to drop a file into it's directory structure and imagine it'll notice. That's not the way it works. You drag songs directly into the app.

    Non-standard interface.

    Ah, you must be a Windows user. It appears you're talking about an early Windows version. It now uses all the usual WIndows widgets.

    Can't cope with reading from filenames, so files have to be tagged in order to use them.

    You mean it displays the name of the song from the ID3 tag, rather than the name of the song. Yes, it does if the ID3 tag is there, otherwise it'll parse the filename for the song title. So YES it can cope with files that aren't yet tagged.

    I prefer a program that Just Works.

    That's iTunes.

  • by PriceIke (751512) on Thursday July 16, 2009 @11:53AM (#28718859)
    Dude ... what? The iTMS was selling music and media for YEARS before the iPhone was released.

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