iTunes Gift Card Key System Cracked, Exploited 388
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from the poisoning-the-currency dept.
from the poisoning-the-currency dept.
moonbender writes "Fake but working iTunes gift cards are being sold on Chinese auction sites for a fraction of their value: 'The owner of the Taobao shop told us frankly that the gift card codes are created using key-generators. He also said that he paid money to use the hackers' service. Half a year ago, when they started the business, the price was around 320 RMB [about $47] for [a] $200 card, then more people went into this business and the price went all the way down to 18 RMB [about $2.60] per card, "but we make more money as the amount of customers is growing rapidly."' The people at Chinese market researcher Outdustry have apparently confirmed this by buying a coupon and transferring it into an iTunes account. Oops."
BitTorrent (Score:5, Insightful)
It's still easier to use BitTorrent.
And You Wonder Why Amazon MP3 Only Works in the US (Score:5, Insightful)
"but we make more money as the amount of customers is growing rapidly."
Brilliant business model there, Taobao. I used to feel bad that Amazon's MP3 Service only worked inside the United States but now it's pretty clear: I doubt Apple will have much luck prosecuting anyone in this case whereas it would have been different had it happened on American soil.
... hahahaha sorry, couldn't quite say that with a straight face. Seriously, we must look like ripe-for-the-picking rubes to places like China. They're sitting there with free copies of Vista, Adobe Suites and now cheap "legal" music. I guess it will forever remain a mystery to them why their nation isn't home to prosperous software & music industries while the status quo is free for the taking with no repurcussions.
I'm sure the Chinese government will help protect Apple's
Ouch. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd be interested to know what algorithm was being used for the keycards. Did Apple use a weak scheme, did someone leak the secret, or (most interestingly) has someone managed to crack a good encryption algorithm.
(Alas, I'd guess it's probably a weak scheme. As recently as two years ago I noticed a bike products retailer was actually using sequential codes for its gift cards)
Invalidated (Score:5, Insightful)
Who Cares? (Score:0, Insightful)
You can already get basically anything you can get off Itunes from torrent files for free. You don't have to pay for a card. If you're going to pirate material, you might as well be sensible about it.
Re:Occam's razor (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Occam's razor (Score:1, Insightful)
Possibility 2 would in no way be profitable - they are selling $200 gift certificates for 11 yuan. About $1.61.
200:1 money laundering scheme? I don't think so.
On the other hand, human stupidity implied in the possibility 1 is always a plausible solution to any case involving humans.
Re:And You Wonder Why Amazon MP3 Only Works in the (Score:5, Insightful)
Our main products that we're making here are things that can be easily recreated at no cost. Sure, we've got laws that attempt to stop it, but many places don't.
We've shipped most of our jobs making actual products overseas. And we wonder why China is becoming so powerful? They're making physical goods, and freely recreating our virtual goods.
Re:Occam's razor (Score:5, Insightful)
I once received a gift certificate in a Christmas card that was delivered accidentally to my address, and I was able to go ahead and use it.
You just admitted to comitting a Federal crime, son, and a Felony at that. If I were you, I'd shut the hell up and never mention your this "freebie" to anybody.
Re:BitTorrent (Score:5, Insightful)
It's still easier to use BitTorrent.
It's probably safer too. Bittorrent is going to be a civil matter. Exploiting a hole in Apple's POS system to get free stuff probably qualifies as fraud and would bring criminal charges.
Random thought: Reminds me of the old days when you could create credit card "numbers" that weren't actually valid but passed the checksum test and use them to create AOL accounts. Kind of surprised that Apple wouldn't know better.
Re:Ouch. (Score:3, Insightful)
No kidding. The way this is explained makes it sound like if I pulled a stack of iTMS cards off the rack at walmart or whatever and walked out with them in my pocket, they'd all be valid and would work. I have a hard time believing that to be the case. There are hundreds of stores (both online and physical) that sell gift cards at other stores, I have a hard time believing that it doesn't generally work more like you describe, and I also have a hard time believing that Apple would have done it differently.
Unless maybe the people generating the card numbers has found a way to falsely activate them? Although if that were the case, I'd imagine that'd be a much easier fix.
What's the point? (Score:4, Insightful)
If they're going to pirate, why do they bother paying $2 to a crook to get music with DRM which they could get for free from BitTorrent? The only advantage iTunes has over piracy is that it is legal - so what's the point of ripping them off with a fake gift card?
Even ethically, that way they'd at least not be supporting the criminal industry like the RIAA is (in this case accurately) claiming.
Re:And You Wonder Why Amazon MP3 Only Works in the (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Heh (Score:4, Insightful)
DRM free itunes. (Score:2, Insightful)
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/06/1840225 [slashdot.org]
Re:hmmm (Score:0, Insightful)
because apple servers are made to look pretty, not do calculation or real work
Re:BitTorrent (Score:4, Insightful)
And torrents tend to be of much higher quality than iTunes tracks.
Re:Occam's razor (Score:3, Insightful)
Too wordy (Score:2, Insightful)
"Fake but working iTunes gift cards
Yes, we have a word for that. The word is counterfeit.
I'll use it in a sentence for you:
"The RIAA attempts to convince the public that downloading music is the same as counterfeiting CD's."
Re:Occam's razor (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe because they'd prefer to get a gift card? When I get cash, I feel like I need to put it in savings, use it responsibly, etc etc. A gift card to a restaurant or store I like to buy fun stuff in is permission to have fun with it. If you're giving them a gift with the intention of them having fun, a gift card says that clearly. Of course, not everyone feels the same way I do, but part of the point of giving one gift over another is knowing which one the receiver would like most to receive, rather than just which one you'd rather give...
Re:And You Wonder Why Amazon MP3 Only Works in the (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, given that he _was_ Mark Freaking Twain, he got to choose where he was born!
Re:Occam's razor (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Heh (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually the hacked gift cards aren't close to free, they're negative income for Apple.
Apple still pays a share of the purchase price of each song to the record companies regardless of the payment method. Since they're not getting the income side with hacked gift cards, it's a net loss.
Furthermore, Apple (or the retailer, perhaps) takes an additional loss if a legitimate purchase winds up with the same card number and the user complains. I know I sure would.
This is a HUGE problem, I'm not sure what reasonable solution they're going to come up with. Knowing Apple they'll just beat up their fanbase a little more and cancel all the GC's or something. Ok, flamebait a bit but...i could see them doing that and just hoping their market domination in MP3 sales overcomes the bad juju.
Nigerians in China ? (Score:2, Insightful)
How do you know the cards work? Has anyone bought one?
What if the whole thing is a scam whereby you send your couple of dollars over only to find out the cards really are fake. What will you do? Tell the police you got ripped off trying to buy a $200 card for a couple of dollars?
If there's enough idiots out there buying into this scam it could generate a tidy sum.
Re:BitTorrent (Score:3, Insightful)
Because, for the most part, nobody is really writing viruses for OSX, so protecting against them is largely a waste of time? Then again, if you don't download shady software on Windows, you're not going to have a problem with viruses, either...
Re:Ouch. (Score:2, Insightful)
If Apple used sequential keys for gift cards, they deserve what just happened. That's pure incompetence.
Re:And You Wonder Why Amazon MP3 Only Works in the (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:BitTorrent (Score:5, Insightful)
companies like Apple who take massive amounts of GPL code to build their empires and give NOTHING in return.
... except the huge advances Apple has given KHTML in the form of WebKit.
Re:Occam's razor (Score:2, Insightful)
When I get cash, I feel like I need to put it in savings
Too bad the other 99% of the country doesn't think that.
Re:BitTorrent (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:And You Wonder Why Amazon MP3 Only Works in the (Score:5, Insightful)
Except that I am sure Apple has to hand over a certain amount of money to the record labels. So a $200 card, they may have to hand over $180, and they get nothing from the consumer.
So actually something is being stolen, from Apple to the Music companies. They don't miss out, they would be loving this. All of a sudden, they are getting millions from Apple due to China.
Re:BitTorrent (Score:5, Insightful)
...and all the ZeroConf code, the IOKit, LaunchD, all the Firewire library code from Zayante, CoreFoundation, the GCC Objective-C implementation, a lot of additions to SQLite, not to mention all the work they're doing on LLVM (which will finally end the dark ages of GCC).
-jcr
Re:BitTorrent (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, I didn't say anything about viruses only targeting popular platforms. I said "for the most part, nobody is really writing viruses for OSX", which is true. There are far more viruses being written for Windows. I didn't attempt to explain the reason for that, though. It could be that Windows s more popular, or it could be, as you suggest, that OSX is more secure, and thus virus writers gravitate to the less secure platform. I don't know (or care). I would have to think that it's a mixture of the two, to be honest. There's more software in general for more popular platforms, so it's no huge surprise that there would also be more viruses.