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Second Mac Clone Maker Set To Sell, With a Twist 621

CWmike writes "Another company is preparing to sell Intel-based computers that can run Apple's Mac OS X. But unlike Psystar, a Florida clone maker that's been sued by Apple, Open Tech won't pre-install the operating system on its machines. Open Tech's Home (equipped with an Intel dual-core Pentium processor, 3GB of memory, an nVidia GeForce 8600 CT video card and a 500GB hard drive) and XT (which includes an Intel Core 2 quad-core CPU, 4GB of RAM, an nVidia GeForce 8800 video card and a 640GB drive) machines will sell for $620 and $1,200, respectively. Open Tech is prepared to do battle with Apple if it comes after Open Tech. 'We definitely would defend this,' said [Open Tech spokesman] Tom. 'The only possible case that Apple can make, the only one that has any chance, would be based on the end-user licensing agreement.'"
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Second Mac Clone Maker Set To Sell, With a Twist

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  • Might work ... (Score:5, Informative)

    by PC and Sony Fanboy ( 1248258 ) on Saturday July 26, 2008 @10:32PM (#24353957) Journal
    That might work. Although, why you would purchase a computer from a company that guarantees that it will work with OSX is beyond me. You're paying them the price markup, when you could just visit the osx86project websites (insanelymac.org, etc) and find out that way...
  • by Hal_Porter ( 817932 ) on Saturday July 26, 2008 @11:58PM (#24354601)

    They don't have to prove damage to the users, only to Apple

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference#Elements [wikipedia.org]

    1. The existence of a contractual relationship or beneficial business relationship between two parties.
    2. Knowledge of that relationship by a third party.
    3. Intent of the third party to induce a party to the relationship to breach the relationship.
    4. Lack of any privilege on the part of the third party to induce such a breach.
    5. Damage to the party against whom the breach occurs.

    Tortious interference always reminds me of this quote from The Insider
    http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the-insider_shooting.html [dailyscript.com]

    HELEN CAPERELLI
    (cuts in)
    And, I'm told there are questions as to
    our "star witness'" veracity.
    LOWELL
    (trying to control his anger)
    His "veracity" was good enough for the
    State of Mississippi.

    HELEN CAPERELLI
    (historic)
    Our standards have to be higher than
    anyone else's, because we are the
    standard...for everyone else...
    Whatever that means...

    LOWELL
    (wry)
    Well, as a "standard"...I'll hang with
    "is the guy telling the truth?"

    HELEN CAPERELLI
    Well, with tortious interference, I'm
    afraid...the greater the truth, the
    greater the damage.

    LOWELL
    Come again?

    HELEN CAPERELLI
    They own the information he's disclosing.
    The truer it is, the greater the damage
    to them. If he lied, he didn't disclose
    their information. And the damages are
    smaller.

    LOWELL
    Is this "Alice in Wonderland"?

    Note in this case the damage was to the tobacco company, not to the guy who broke the confidentiality agreement.

  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Sunday July 27, 2008 @12:01AM (#24354629)

    Oh, by the way, here's the relevant portion explaining this concept from the license itself:

    9. Acceptance Not Required for Having Copies.

    You are not required to accept this License in order to receive or run a copy of the Program. Ancillary propagation of a covered work occurring solely as a consequence of using peer-to-peer transmission to receive a copy likewise does not require acceptance. However, nothing other than this License grants you permission to propagate or modify any covered work. These actions infringe copyright if you do not accept this License. Therefore, by modifying or propagating a covered work, you indicate your acceptance of this License to do so.

  • by LinuxInDallas ( 73952 ) on Sunday July 27, 2008 @12:04AM (#24354649)

    As has been pointed out by many people, Apple is a hardware company. Their software groups exist to help Apple sell more hardware by providing a complete and easy to use system. There is no reason for Apple to to prove that their OS is "really up to the battle" by allowing it to be installed on other's hardware.

  • info about Open Tech (Score:3, Informative)

    by e r i k 0 ( 593807 ) on Sunday July 27, 2008 @12:15AM (#24354705) Homepage
    The only site I could find for Open Tech is here: http://www.freewebs.com/iopentech/ [freewebs.com]. It seems pretty sketchy - a legitimate business hosting on FreeWebs? Also, the photos of the machines (XT) seem to be empty cases, with no drives or anything installed. It puts me off that I don't see any with the side panels off or anything which would reveal an actual computer inside. FWIW I tried their .tk domain (http://www.iopentech.tk/) and I got a 502 Proxy Error.
  • Wrong. The GPL simply covers what I can do in terms of distributing copyrighted works covered under the license. This is completely different from shrinkwrap EULA "licenses", which are a different animal entirely. First sale doctrine will defeat the EULA every time, unless the behavior in question constitutes a violation of existing copyright law.
  • by Mr2001 ( 90979 ) on Sunday July 27, 2008 @03:11AM (#24355753) Homepage Journal

    The real loser ends up being the legitimate customers. There is no Apple equivalent of WGA at this time, and I'd prefer there never is. If the courts decree that Apple may not tie the software to a specific piece of hardware, Apple will have to seek a technical solution.

    No, they might choose to seek a technical solution, but they won't have to.

    Other OS vendors get along just fine without tying their operating systems to particular hardware. They just charge enough for the OS to pay for the cost of developing it. Nothing's stopping Apple from doing the same thing.

    What's the big deal with running OSX on non-Apple hardware, anyway?

    Non-Apple hardware is cheaper. Just look at the prices in TFS: $620 gets you 3GB of memory, an nVidia GeForce 8600 CT video card and a 500GB hard drive. The only Mac you can get for that price is the Mini, which has 1 GB of memory, an 80 GB hard drive, and integrated graphics (and no room for expansion).

    There is all kinds of products sold every day that have the software and hardware tied specifically together, but suddenly it's bad for Apple to do this?

    It's bad when anyone does it. Apple is just the most visible offender.

    They are peddling a solution, take it or leave it, vote with your wallet. But you have to take it or leave it in its entirety.

    That's what Apple would like us to believe, but it's probably not true. They sell copies of OS X to people who don't own Macs. Once you own a copy, you can legally install and run it (see 17 USC 117), regardless of how any license agreement purports to restrict you.

  • by ThosLives ( 686517 ) on Sunday July 27, 2008 @09:51AM (#24357465) Journal

    The central issue is this: does Apple have the legal right to dictate what hardware you run their software on?

    I don't think that's the issue at all. The issue is not "Is there hardware out there manufactured by a party other than Apple, Inc. on which software made by Apple, Inc. is capable of executing?" I don't think Apple will try to stop that. What Apple is probably concerned about, and probably within their right to enforce, is to stop is another manufacturer saying "We are building specifically Apple-compatible computers," and using that as marketing. Basically, the argument will probably be over misappropriation of the Apple brand-name, not technical capabilities of the product.

    If some other company sold an "empty" computer, and just said "this computer has these hardware capabilities. You are free to choose an operating system." Then there would be no issue. The specific mention of Apple, and specific bundling of OSX with that computer, is what likely will cause problems.

  • Re:Might work ... (Score:3, Informative)

    by stewbacca ( 1033764 ) on Sunday July 27, 2008 @09:56AM (#24357501)

    Surely $129 is more than enough for the cost of making a CD and the flimsy manuals they provide these days.

    I am a software tech writer, you insensitive clod! Seriously, though, you'd be amazed at the cost of a flimsy (and I'll add mostly useless) manual. Start with a base salary of about $40/ hr. for the tech writer, then charge about, oh 8 hours per page, then throw in about 90% markup to cover overhead and you get a really expensive, and mostly useless process. I love capitalism!

  • Re:_second_? (Score:4, Informative)

    by ribit ( 952003 ) on Sunday July 27, 2008 @11:28AM (#24358183)
    In that case, its not the third but the eighth. (Other licensees in the 90s were Motorola, Radius, APS Technologies, DayStar Digital, UMAX)
  • Re:Might work ... (Score:4, Informative)

    by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Sunday July 27, 2008 @10:40PM (#24363569)

    It's amazing to me how people want everyone to respect the FOSS license agreements, but refuse to respect Apple's.

    Okay, for the fifty-millionth time, there's a difference -- a legal difference, not just a wishful one -- between an end user license like Apple's EULA and a distribution license like the GPL. The former attempts to take away the property rights that you already inherently have, by virtue of the fact that you bought the copy of the software. The latter gives you additional rights that you did not not already have under copyright law.

    In other words, FOSS licenses deserve to be respected because they actually provide a benefit to both the licensor and the licensee. EULAs don't. Do you see the difference?

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