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Apple Prepares For the Coming iPod Slump 340

Hugh Pickens writes "Companies like AOL have stagnated along with the products that made them successful as a mature market and downward pressure on prices led to a nasty death spiral, but Saul Hansell writes in the NY Times that Apple has used its amazing six-year run with the iPod to nurture other business lines. Even though the number of iPods sold this quarter grew only 1 percent from the same quarter a year ago, Apple should be able to sustain itself with three business lines that will help it withstand a collapse in the MP3-player market: a continuing revenue stream from the iPods that have already been sold because of the iTunes Store, product upgrades to the iPhone and iPod Touch that are so different that they may well appeal to a significant number of iPod users, and perhaps most significantly, sales of the Macintosh which showed an increase of 51 percent by units and 54 percent by dollars."
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Apple Prepares For the Coming iPod Slump

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  • batteries (Score:5, Insightful)

    by berashith ( 222128 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @12:57PM (#23185500)
    Battery replacement to existing units is a great new line of revenue for any customers who aren't willing to just replace the original when it stops holding a charge.
  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:04PM (#23185626)
    All Apple has to do is to look at Dell. Dell made gads of money and had huge growth by selling PCs. The PC itself wasn't new, but it was being bought by more and more demographics. That, however, only lasts so long. To keep up with the same growth, Dell would have to sell more computers in a year than there are people on this planet. So they have to sell people a second computer if people aren't ready to replace their existing computer or computers to businesses. But their entire business still revolves only around computers and every thing is just an accessory. They tried getting into other lines like media players, printers, etc with varying degrees of success.
  • by line-bundle ( 235965 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:06PM (#23185662) Homepage Journal
    Eventually the market would saturate and I am sure Apple economists must have known it. I don't think they are really surprised at the slump.

    Nothing to see here..... move along.
  • Re:batteries (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kenja ( 541830 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:10PM (#23185742)
    You mean the 1.50$ battery that I can replace without even using any tools? How is that relevant compared to a sealed consumer device that needs to be sent back to the manufacturer to have its battery replaced?
  • by mpapet ( 761907 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:15PM (#23185814) Homepage
    If the number of Mac units sold is accurate, then Vista is absolutely killing HP and Dell unit sales.

    That would suggest that Dell and HP's consumer PC business will show unit and dollar sales declines.
  • by mcsqueak ( 1043736 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:16PM (#23185834)
    I think Apple is doing a decent job upgrading their product line in order to keep winning back existing customers. I still have a 4G iPod (the last version with the monochrome screen) that is 4 years old now and it still works like a charm. The battery is probably shot, but I use it exclusively in my car now so it's plugged in all the time. When the hard drive finally dies I'll probably get an iPod touch so I can get maps and stuff on the go. However, it shows what happens when nearly everyone in America who wants an iPod has one - sales will drop. Apple really needs to start marketing in up-and-coming markets such as the Middle East, China, and other areas. Sure, there are plenty of knockoff products in those markets already, but that doesn't mean Apple shouldn't try.
  • by CowboyNealOption ( 1262194 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:18PM (#23185872) Journal
    I wonder what Apple will release around the same time that Microsoft releases their next OS? A version of OSX that runs on any "Vista Ready" machine before then would be kinda cool. The press seems to be split on how Vista is helping/hindering Apple, but I am sure things are already percolating based on the 2010 release of the next Microsoft OS.
  • Macintosh (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SailorSpork ( 1080153 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:19PM (#23185878) Homepage
    Holy cow, it's been a long time since I've seen someone actually refer to the computer line as "Macintosh" as opposed to just a Mac. My first impression when I read the stub was "Apple has increased its sales of Monochrome IIGS systems? How?!"

    Back on topic, Apple has been smart to diversify a little, but even the article mentions that the new features of iPods (eg, Touch) are meant to appeal to existing iPod owners, meaning they want existing customers to buy even more iPods. It also worked with the iPhone and the Shuffle, where fashion-conscious current iPod owners went out and bought "the next thing," but is this strategy really sustainable? How much longer can Apple really keep selling to the same hardcore user group before enough of them say "I have enough trendy mp3 players."

    I don't really consider marginal improvements and marginal innovations that appeal to the same core group to be really sustainable over the long term. What they need to do is find the next "trendy gadget" line. That isn't mp3 players. Until they find out what the next "big thing" is and trend-itize that, their investment in other revenue streams (at least the ones that are still dependent upon popularity growth in mp3, like iTunes) is still susceptible to market growth deceleration. Bravo for making your computers popular again with all that iPod money though.
  • by raddan ( 519638 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:19PM (#23185888)
    OTOH, Apple's been around for nearly a decade longer than Dell, and people have been predicting Apple's demise [folklore.org] since before even Dvorak began his torrent of verbal excrement. And yet, Apple has managed to persevere and surprise all of us over and over again. You may not like Apple, but you can't deny that they know how to weather ups and downs. Steve Jobs seems especially good at getting people excited about even their mundane products. I think Dell should be looking at Apple.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:23PM (#23185960)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Thelasko ( 1196535 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:26PM (#23186006) Journal
    because the business model includes making the product fail often enough that the consumers will constantly have to buy new ones.

    It used to work for cars until this company called Toyota came along and ruined everything. Maybe I'm just cynical.
  • Re:Macintosh (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Gotung ( 571984 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:30PM (#23186080)
    The next big thing? You mean like a touchscreen ipod/phone/mobile computer? Yea that would be awesome. Apple should make one of those!!
  • iPod = iPod Touch (Score:3, Insightful)

    by whisper_jeff ( 680366 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:34PM (#23186168)
    Apple, for me, has proven capable of continuing to generate revenue, even though I bought a product which was still more than functional and adequate to my purposes. My 20 gig iPod was plenty for what I wanted and I was very happy with it. Then they released the iPod Touch (iPhone not available (officially) north of the border, or this would be a comment about the iPhone...). It's basically the same thing with some fancy bells and whistles added on. Really fancy bells and whistles. Really, really fancy. No. I mean REALLY fancy. Fancy enough that I dropped the cash, bought the iPod Touch, and haven't regretted it once since I bought it. It's the same thing as what I had but enough of an advancement that it was worth "wasting" money on an upgrade.

    So long as Apple continues to upgrade the product line like this, they'll do fine. Offer more, better, and fancier, and people will upgrade. In my opinion.
  • by moderatorrater ( 1095745 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:37PM (#23186228)
    Interesting point: apple updates their products so fast and brings out new products so fast that a lot of people wait to buy something. When I was considering getting an iphone, everyone that already had one was advising that I wait another 6 months to get one since they're bound to come out with something better.

    Overall I think it works for them just fine, since they time things well and their products are always a good value. But part of me wonders if they wouldn't make more money if they would just wait a little longer before bringing out new generations/products.
  • by cowscows ( 103644 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:41PM (#23186318) Journal
    I think the big flaw in your numbers is business users. The vast majority of them are not going to pay the premium for Apple hardware, and I don't see Apple selling budget boxes or licensing their OS anytime soon.

    If you take businesses out of the count and look at a consumer level, then your numbers seems more feasible to me. You just have to walk into a college lecture hall and count the Apple logos to see the inroads that they're making.
  • by digitaldc ( 879047 ) * on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:42PM (#23186320)
    Hooray! Apple lowered the price on SOMETHING. Oh, it was the lame shuffle with no screen or any features to it? Who cares? I think most of their stuff is overpriced to begin with. The iPod now seems more of a fashion accessory than a necessity to me. (I am not an apple hater)
  • It used to work for cars until this company called Toyota came along and ruined everything.

    OK, take off your tinfoil hat for a moment and consider the state of manufacturing in the US circa approximately 1970. There were several things working against the US auto manufacturers at the time that were irrelevant (or even favorable) to the imports:
    • US oil embargo
    • Strong US dollar - Yen exchange
    • US supply chain issues
    • Incomplete transition from SAE to metric

    So while it is very popular to bash on American car companies, I say that at least some of this is unfounded. People really need to take in the full situation to understand why things are the way they are (and were). And on top of that, I know of plenty of US cars on the road daily that are over 20 years old.
  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @01:52PM (#23186508)

    Apple is pretty good at planning things but they are secretive so you don't know what they are planning. The iPhone was in development for 2 years before they announced it last January. And the only reason they announced it 6 months before they were able to sell it was that Apple had to apply for a FCC license on it.


    Over 10 years ago, Apple bought NeXT to save themselves. Some analysts couldn't understand why Apple with it's faltering personal computer product line would buy a Unix computer company whose product line wasn't very successful. Was Apple going to start selling 2 product lines? What few understood was Apple bought NeXT for their OS expertise not their hardware business. That expertise became OS X.


    Just yesterday, Apple bought PA Semi. This slump might be something that planned for a long time and PA Semi is just the start. We don't know what Apple has in store for PA Semi if NeXT is a good example.

  • by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @02:15PM (#23186876) Homepage

    Make a 12" or 13" MacBook Pro. If that happens, then I will buy a new Mac. Otherwise, they can see how many suckers they can sell a $2500 manila of hot air to...

    While I don't own a Mac Book Pro, and I haven't looked at its specs ....

    when I first saw those commercials, I immediately though Wow!!! I remember ads for laptops and luggables in the late 80's/early 90's -- they didn't fit in no inter-office envelope.

    I know someone a few years ago who bought himself an Apple laptop, because he was frustrated with his Windows laptop work provided. He seemed to think it was well worth the money, as it just worked.

    I honestly can't say if it's a lot of hype and hot air or not ... but, the people I know who have spent the money on them feel they actually did get something for their money. In the end, they're the final decision makers on if it was worth it or not.

    I guess it's all a matter of what you want and need.

    Cheers
  • by Thelasko ( 1196535 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @02:15PM (#23186878) Journal
    Say something bad about Apple and American cars and get moded a troll. Says something bad about Microsoft and get +5 insightful.

    What do I care, I have karma to burn.
  • by DECS ( 891519 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @02:25PM (#23187064) Homepage Journal
    Apple could likely make just as much money with a slower rate of new products coming out. However, that would make it far easier for competitors to catch up.

    Microsoft's second generation Zune, had it arrived a year earlier, would have been competitive hardware wise with the then current iPods. As it was, Apple's rapid upgrading left it looking like nothing special.

    The old Apple of the late 80s basically stopped the frantic pace of upgrades, and that's exactly what allowed Microsoft to catch up over a ten year period from 1985-1995. The bumper sticker that said "Windows 95 = Mac 89" was funny, but the sad part was that Mac 89 wasn't so far behind Mac 95.

    Now the tables are turned, and Microsoft is the one coasting along on past performance, allowing Apple to catch up and surpass it.

    Windows Vista, 7, and Singularity: The New Copland, Gershwin, Taligent [roughlydrafted.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 24, 2008 @02:40PM (#23187298)
    Over 10 years ago, Apple bought NeXT to save themselves.

    Funny - I've always thought of it as NeXT acquiring Apple in a reverse takeover
  • Re:Capacity (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Plaid Phantom ( 818438 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @02:47PM (#23187408) Homepage

    To me, the point of a hard disk based media player is having all your music available when you want it. I don't know how I'll be feeling eight hours later, so how should I decide which music to put on the player and which not to? If I was that good at divining the future, I'd just get a 4 GB iRiver or something. And probably be a lot richer than I am.

    As far as hearing damage, I don't see how prolonged exposure would lead to damage unless the music is too loud to begin with. But then, I've not done serious research on the subject.

  • Re:batteries (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Kenja ( 541830 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @02:57PM (#23187526)

    Most are soldered on. You don't have to send the iPod to replace the battery.
    I've not seen a soldered on motherboard battery since the days when 286s roamed the planet.
  • Re:A slump? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 24, 2008 @03:00PM (#23187576)
    >I'm not even confined to one vendor for application and use.

    Spoken as the non-iPod owner you are. Buy music from Amazon and put it in the iPod? How about free podcasts? Audible.com? Transcode your own movies? Download mp4s from bittorrent and play them in your Touch/iPod video? Free apps for jailbroken iPhones/iTouches? All of the above work for me, zero worries. Notice how I can fill my iPod to the brim without even mentioning the iTunes store?

    And then, I still that option if I want to exercise it to get commercial music, latest movies an option that you certainly don't have. It might be "absurdly high" for you, it's absurdly convenient for me.

  • by MaWeiTao ( 908546 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @03:24PM (#23187902)
    If Apple's success is so heavily dependent on a single product I think they've got more important things to worry about.

    Honestly, I think this is a problem with American companies and media. All they seem to care about is that one hit. They're desperate to come up with the one product that will ensure success, at least temporarily. Because then all too often they seem content to rest on their laurels or worse go to extreme lengths to prevent competition.

    So what do we constantly hear from the media, nonsense about this-killer and that-killer, how a particular product is going to change everything and there apparently is little patience for methodical, evolving improvements.

    The iPod didn't just fall out of Apple's collective ass. It really was the embodiment of Apple's design philosophy and corporate vision. It also helped that Apple actually had the resources to design the device, develop the software and actually have a direct hand in it's manufacture.

    Contrast that with other companies who claim they want to develop something to compete with the iPod. In many cases, like Microsoft, they take an existing product, a Toshiba MP3 player, and customize it for their use. For that reason alone it will never be as well integrated as the iPod.

    In many other cases companies will take existing products, particularly Chinese-made products, rebrand them, maybe modify the external design slightly, and resell them here. So the American consumer gets stuck with a subpar product. In the short-term the company earns some easy money but in the long-term they've hurt their brand.

    There are many other issues here, but this is one of the bigger problems I see afflicting American companies. Many American companies don't actually make anything anymore. They've effectively dumping the engineering and manufacturing core of the business and have focused almost completely on marketing. Innovation seems to only exist within marketing departments. They're constantly hunting for new advertising gimmick to sucker people into buying more of the same.

    Instead of taking the approach of focusing on quality at a premium they're still trying to compete on price. Then they wonder why they lose to the, usually foreign, competition. And when things go south they always blame everyone and everything but their own decision-making. Granted, I'm over-simplifying a bit, but I do think it's a big problem nonetheless.
  • by ThousandStars ( 556222 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @03:48PM (#23188270) Homepage
    The first time I asked one of the sales people a question I knew the answer to. I could see in her face she didn't know the answer. Instead of telling me that she gave me wrong information that could have cost me money. The 3rd time I went back I spent a lot of time playing on one of their systems to get a feel for it. I liked it very much. I didn't like the idea of having to relearn everything to migrate and I thought Ubuntu is very nice. Then a young clerk with a snotty attitude asked me to get off the chair I was using to check out the computer.

    If you go to any retail store that sells computers, you're going to have virtually the same experience. The difference between the guys making minimum wage - $12/hour among retail stores, including Apple's, is marginal. Occasionally you might end up with someone knowledgeable at an Apple store or elsewhere, but that seems to be luck of the draw more than anything else. If you used the same strategy elsewhere as you did at the Apple store, you'd never have a computer.

    Then I read a few "fuck you" articles from the mac high priesthood addressed to linux people who used iPods.

    I normally buy things for what they do for me, not because of what salespeople or Internet flamers say.

    Note that I'm not defending Apple or its sales practices, but I am saying that they're at the very least no worse than those you'll find elsewhere.

  • Rice before iPods. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dreamchaser ( 49529 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @04:13PM (#23188634) Homepage Journal
    Have you seen the recent news about food prices in Asia? Rice prices have doubled and people are starting to protest and even riot. If the current trends continue, including the short sightedness of trying to use food as fuel, that emerging market could collapse rather quickly.

    We are *so* insulated here in the US and Europe. Food prices have inched up here, but nothing like what they've done in developing parts of the world. Maybe we should stop paying farmers to NOT grow food, then maybe people will be able to afford iPods in other parts of the world.

    Then again, as others have pointed out in this discussion, they are more likely to buy cheap fakes anyways.
  • Re:A slump? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Sleepy ( 4551 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @05:44PM (#23190078) Homepage
    I have heard MANY MP3 owners (who don't have iPods) say the same thing as you, and even use words like "monopoly".
    Do you need to see a YouTube video showing Amazon.com media going onto an iPod?

    Your statement is 100% false. It's wrong.

    For the audience, the reason why non-iPod owners spread the 'compatibility' myth is because some cute girl asked them "Is that an iPod", and the guy says "No, it's a Creative" and the girl says "Oh" and looks away. Guy gets all mad inside, blames Apple. Instead of enjoying his media player as-it-is, he has to justify his purchase to others.

  • Re:A slump? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Lars T. ( 470328 ) <Lars,Traeger&googlemail,com> on Thursday April 24, 2008 @08:05PM (#23192134) Journal

    Why you were modded troll and the guy you responded to was modded Insightful, I'll never know.
    Because the only better way to Karma-whore than by posting how much Apple and their products suck is by claiming that that is actually the best way to get modded down.
  • by sessamoid ( 165542 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @08:33PM (#23192402)
    Apple take a cue from Dell? Are you smoking crack?

    As of market close today:

    Apple market capitalization $148.48B
    Dell market capitalization $39.09B

    Maybe Michael Dell should just liquidate the company and give the cash to the shareholders....

  • Re:batteries (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Technician ( 215283 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:25PM (#23193730)
    so I'm not sure what you were implying by the context you posted this in.

    Point well taken. I was using the context that the in-tank fuel pump in my car is replaceable, but not everyone has the tools so I would probably hire someone to do it who has the tools and skill.
  • Re:A slump? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by elbobo ( 28495 ) on Friday April 25, 2008 @04:14AM (#23195126)

    I'm not even confined to one vendor for application and use.

    I never quite understand this comment. You're not constrained to Apple's applications or usage with the iPod. There are iTunes alternatives and music bought on other stores (except ones using competing DRM solutions) will play fine on iPods.

    Where does this idea come from? If anything the lock in is from iTunes Store to iPod, but not at all from iPod to iTunes. It's iTunes Store customers who experience lock in, not iPod customers.

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