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Apple Mulls Flat-Rate "Unlimited Music" Option 355

Mike writes "Apple is in discussions with the big music companies about an 'all you can eat' model for buying music that would give customers free access to its entire iTunes music library in exchange for paying a premium for its iPod and iPhone devices. Finally, it looks like the industry (or at least Apple) is 'getting it'. The real question is not whether the big music companies will go for it, but rather, who will be the first one to get smart and agree to offer it?"
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Apple Mulls Flat-Rate "Unlimited Music" Option

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  • Re:As long as (Score:5, Informative)

    by wbav ( 223901 ) <Guardian.Bob+Slashdot@gmail.com> on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @04:29PM (#22799500) Homepage Journal
    If you RTFA, the fee Apple is pushing is $20 and you keep the music as long as you keep the device. No word on CDs but I would expect that music would continue to play through iTunes, even if you sold the device.
  • Re:Free? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Itninja ( 937614 ) on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @04:40PM (#22799650) Homepage
    It's the 'libre' type of free, not the 'gratis' type of free. Or, for the home school kids out there, it's free 'as in freedom', not 'as in beer'
  • by businessnerd ( 1009815 ) on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @05:00PM (#22799936)
    If you had read the article, then you would know that what Apple is proposing, is unlimited physical downloads that never expire. That means they cannot switch off your access, and if your hard drive crashed and killed everything on it, you could simply re-download your whole collection. If the company went bankrupt or sold, then as long as you still have the software or the device that can play the file format, then you are fine. This is not the same as other subscription services like Napster.
  • Re:As long as (Score:4, Informative)

    by ahabswhale ( 1189519 ) on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @05:05PM (#22800018)
    The article is poorly worded but they aren't talking about charging the consumer $20. The $20 is what Apple wants to pay the record companies per device. It's not clear what they have in mind for the consumer. In any event, they aren't getting any bites because Nokia already pays $80 for the same priviledge.

    Mind you, you can already get this feature from Rhapsody To Go for $14.99/mo for unlimited access to ~4.5 million songs. They've had this feature for quite a while now.
  • Re:As long as (Score:5, Informative)

    by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear.pacbell@net> on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @06:07PM (#22800770) Homepage
    There is nothing illegal with having a monopoly; it is, as I said earlier, only illegal when you engage in anticompetitive behavior when you have a monopoly.

    In the first case, Apple may have a monopoly in MP3 players. However they have done nothing anticompetitive (again, the example where Microsoft threatened to terminate Windows licenses to Compaq because they bundled Netscape). Anticompetitive means it hurts Apple but it hurts their competitors more. Anticompetitive would be withholding iPods from WalMart until WalMart stops selling Sony.

    Offering a subscription service to iPod owners is not anticompetitive because it does not prevent the competition from responding in like, nor from competing.

    Microsoft terminating Windows licenses from Compaq is anticompetitive because it stops Compaq from bundling Netscape; stopping the competition by manipulating their monopoly in Windows licenses.

    So, again, how is offering a subscription service for iPods and iPhones anticompetitive? It doesn't stop Amazon from offering DRM free MP3s, it doesn't stop Microsoft from releasing their own subscriptions, it doesn't stop Sony from partnering with Rhapsody for a similar service.
  • Re:As long as (Score:5, Informative)

    by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear.pacbell@net> on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @06:36PM (#22801074) Homepage
    All right, here is a list of common anticompetitive practices culled from Wiki:
    * Dumping, where products are sold into a market at a low price which renders competition impossible, in order to wipe out competitors.
    This might be dumping if Apple did not "pass on" the price to consumers. Given the initial up-front fee, however, the consumer appears to be paying fairly for this service.

    * Exclusive dealing, where a retailer or wholesaler is 'tied' to purchase from a supplier.
    This isn't exclusive dealing because the consumer can still buy music from Amazon, WalMart, Best Buy, etc and use it on the iPod. Likewise the music distributors are free to continue selling CDs and license to Amazon.

    * Barriers to entry (to an industry) designed to avoid the competition that new entrants would bring.
    Apple has established no barrier to prevent others from entering the market; witness Amazon's MP3 store

    * Price fixing, where companies collude to set prices, effectively dismantling the free market.
    This would be the case if Apple were colluding with Microsoft and Nokia so all paid the same price for licenses. This is not happening.

    * Refusal to deal, e.g., two companies agree not to use a certain vendor
    This would be the case if Apple were colluding with Microsoft and Nokia to lock out a certain vendor. This is not happening.

    * Dividing territories, e.g., you get everything west of the Mississippi, we take everything east
    This would be the case if Apple were colluding with Microsoft and Nokia for different regional markets. This is not happening.

    * Limit Pricing, where the price is set by a monopolist to discourage economic entry into a market.
    If we argue that Apple is a monopoly in MP3 players, this would only be applicable if they set the price of iPods low enough to prevent competitors; since this doesn't apply to the music store, nor is Apple charging too low a price, this doesn't apply.

    * Product tying, where products that aren't naturally related must be bought together; this prevents consumer choice.
    This would apply if the products weren't actually related; iPods play music, so purchasing a music subscription with your iPod actually makes sense. This also does not prevent consumer choice because consumers would have the option of not buying into the subscription.

    * Resale price maintenance, where resellers are not allowed to set prices independently.
    Resellers are free to raise prices; lowering prices would lead to losses and that is not illegal nor prohibited by Apple either.

    * Coercive monopoly - all potential competition is barred from entering the market
    This is what Microsoft practiced, using it's monopoly to prevent Netscape from gaining traction. Apple has not practiced that here, either.

  • Re:As long as (Score:5, Informative)

    by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear.pacbell@net> on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @06:42PM (#22801128) Homepage
    Which is identical to Microsoft maintaining their monopoly by making the next version of Direct3d Windows only, or Nintendo by only releasing Pokemon on the DS.

    There is nothing wrong with an iPod only deal if they aren't actively hurting competitors; again, the example of raising iPod prices for people who own Creatives would be anticompetitive. So would denying sale of iPods to WalMart for supporting PlaysForSure or Zune, or to Amazon for running an MP3 store.

    And this doesn't hurt consumers because consumers benefit from this deal (if they buy it). And consumers who don't buy it aren't hurt, at all. The absence of benefit is not harm.
  • Re:As long as (Score:3, Informative)

    by IdahoEv ( 195056 ) on Thursday March 20, 2008 @01:37PM (#22808746) Homepage

    Resellers are free to raise prices; lowering prices would lead to losses and that is not illegal nor prohibited by Apple either.


    Yes, Apple does prohibit lowering prices by reseller. Apple publishes an MAP (minimum advertised price) for all of its products, and will revoke the license from any Apple reseller who undercuts the MAP. The MAP is the same price that the Apple store (online or brick and mortar) markets the product.

    This is why Apple products are identically priced no matter where you buy them. Within a country, that is; they set different MAPs for different countries.

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