Multitouch Gesture Patents Could Prevent Standardization 210
ozmanjusri brings us a Wired report on Apple's efforts to patent the multitouch gestures used on their laptops, smartphones, and tablets. The article discusses concerns over how this could affect the standardization of certain gestures in developing multitouch technology. We've previously discussed the patent applications themselves. Quoting Wired:
"If Apple's patent applications are successful, other manufacturers may have no choice but to implement multitouch gestures of their own. The upshot: You might pinch to zoom on your phone, swirl your finger around to zoom on your notebook, and triple-tap to zoom on the web-browsing remote control in your home theater. That's an outcome many in the industry would like to avoid. Synaptics, a company that by most estimates supplies 65 to 70 percent of the notebook industry with its touchpad technology, is working on its own set of universal touch gestures that it hopes will become a standard. These gestures include scrolling by making a circular motion, moving pictures or documents with a flip of the finger, and zooming in or out by making, yes, a pinching gesture."
Middle Finger (Score:5, Insightful)
It makes sense for competitors to collaborate on certain things to move the industry as a whole forward.
standards which do not make sense (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Middle Finger (Score:5, Insightful)
Pinch was in the original multitouch demo. (Score:4, Insightful)
up to their old tricks again (Score:5, Insightful)
Multitouch as an input method goes back a long time; it wasn't put to much use because the hardware was expensive and GUI library developers were still coping with bigger issues.
Apple shouldn't be allowed to monopolize multi-touch, in any shape or form: not only would it be bad public policy, Apple simply didn't invent this stuff. Pretty much the only patents that should be valid in this space in 2008 are patents on better multi-touch hardware and low-level firmware.
Re:Middle Finger (Score:5, Insightful)
Look back at Wang's patent on the SIMM. It only covered 9-bit parity modules. 36-bit SIMMS did not violate the patent. Hardware patents are forced to describe an implementation.
Why make a standard? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:It will pass. (Score:5, Insightful)
Because with the exception of phones and other "toy" devices most people need keyboards to get work done. I have never used a touch screen that I can type as fast and as accurate as I can on a keyboard. Also, most people know how to type on keyboards and the keyboard has been used ever since the typewriter. I don't see the keyboard going away anytime soon for any serious device.
Re:It will pass. (Score:2, Insightful)
Then your mention of CAD is completely irrelevant. CAD requires a great deal of precision and control, and is not likely to be used often even on laptops, let alone the smaller devices. Reading an email, on the other hand, just needs a simple way to manipulate the screen. Who cares if it is a very coarse method of control, as long as it enables me to quickly get to what I want?
Re:Universal? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is good... (Score:1, Insightful)
This submission was made on an iPod Touch.
Not exactly... (Score:3, Insightful)
Hitchhiking Gesture Patent (Score:5, Insightful)
The thumb is positioned in an erect manner with the rest of the fingers clenched into a fist. Optionally the forearm can be successively pivoted at the elbow joint.
If any of you want to go hitchhiking you will have to invent gestures of your own that do not violate my patent. Perhaps you could do a sort of Egyptian walk to attract attention instead, although it is possible that the Bangles have a patent on that particular gesture. I will of course licence you to use my hitchhiking gesture at a fee that renders the whole purpose of hitchhiking completely pointless
Re:Universal? (Score:2, Insightful)
Microsoft doesn't have any significant marketshare of devices that accept touch input. Outside of tablets, I can't think of any serious product that currently exists that accepts that interface. It's not like new computers come with a Wacom tablet by default, or some other "touch-interface".
The iPhone and the Touch will be popular devices for years to come; I'd be very surprised if they don't significantly oversell tablet laptops, if only because they're cheaper, if they aren't already in that position. This is all reminiscent of the iPod's UI patents.
Watch for gestures to be supported big time in new Apple laptops.
What are patents for? (Score:3, Insightful)
That's right - these same laws that are obstructing innovation and progress are intended to have the opposite purpose.
Apple Is..... (Score:3, Insightful)
Bound to happen anyway (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:For more information (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:For more information (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Middle Finger (Score:3, Insightful)
But how is this more than simply a logical extension of computer interaction (and therefore not patentable)?
Re:Bound to happen anyway (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviousness (Score:3, Insightful)
I figure that the better the gestures are for doing specific tasks, the more obvious they should be. I don't have a problem with patents on the technology behind the touch and multi-touch sensors, but I have to say that it would be a bad idea to use patents to prevent people from moving their hands in a particular way. Otherwise, you might get in the situation where you have a multi-touch sensor on a computer, but only the licensee of the software is allowed to use those gestures.
Re:Middle Finger (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not exactly... (Score:2, Insightful)
Call it what it is, please thank you. (Score:5, Insightful)
No, they are not. They are patenting gestures. Don't make this more magical than is necessary.
What bothers me is that they prattle on and on about this kind of interaction being "intuitive." If the gestures are "intuitive," doesn't that by definition mean that they are already "inside" every person? That is, the gesture-as-representation-of-information, if it is "natural," is something discovered, and not invented. If this is not the case, then it's not "intuitive." So which is it?
If I develop an interface that interprets "waving goodbye" as "turn off computer," can I patent "waving goodbye?" Can I make it illegal for everyone else to use this very "intuitive" gesture?
Re:Middle Finger (Score:2, Insightful)