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Origin of the iPhone 230

rambilly brings us a story from Wired about the origin and development of the iPhone. From the article: "Steve Jobs had tasked about 200 of Apple's top engineers with creating the iPhone. Yet here, in Apple's boardroom, it was clear that the prototype was still a disaster. It wasn't just buggy, it flat-out didn't work. The phone dropped calls constantly, the battery stopped charging before it was full, data and applications routinely became corrupted and unusable. The list of problems seemed endless. At the end of the demo, Jobs fixed the dozen or so people in the room with a level stare and said, 'We don't have a product yet.' The effect was even more terrifying than one of Jobs' trademark tantrums. When the Apple chief screamed at his staff, it was scary but familiar. This time, his relative calm was unnerving. 'It was one of the few times at Apple when I got a chill,' says someone who was in the meeting."
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  • Dupetastic! (Score:4, Informative)

    by appleguru ( 1030562 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @02:25AM (#21995890) Homepage Journal
    While, granted, this article has a much more fitting title than the last, this is a bloody dupe [slashdot.org] from yesterday!
  • The other time he got a chill?

    The second Windows was successfully put on a mac. 0_0
  • by jmpeax ( 936370 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @02:29AM (#21995906)
    Tantrum? Real men throw chairs!
  • gulp (Score:2, Funny)

    by Smartcowboy ( 679871 )
    This article reads like one from Reader's Digest.
  • Mobile Development (Score:4, Insightful)

    by wombatmobile ( 623057 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @02:33AM (#21995926)

    TFA describes how Jobs and co. designed a great device, and makes the point that traditional mobile phone handset businesses has been stifled and denied the opportunity to innovate by network operators.

    It is nice that Apple is innovating, and computing on telephone platforms is advancing.

    But progress may still be limited by network operators for the time being because to deploy software or services, providers have to go through the network operators.

    And to consume services, consumers must first access the networks through the network operators.

    Round 1 to Apple with the iphone. Round 2 is software and services.

    Can innovation in software and services flourish despite network operators trying to gatekeep and tax all revenue opportunities whether they understand them or not?
    • by Johnno74 ( 252399 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @03:52AM (#21996270)

      But progress may still be limited by network operators for the time being because to deploy software or services, providers have to go through the network operators.


      I don't believe this is a risk, at least everywhere except the US. I have a sybian phone, I can install whatever I like on it, without going through the teleco's network. Plenty of applications use web access on the phone just like apps on a regular PC - things like web browsers, chat apps, SSH, youtube, google maps, etc etc. I've even seen a web server for my phone. I've seen VoIP clients for my phone.

      The teleco is just an ISP. We stil have network neutrality, and thats not likely to change. Yes, my teleco has their own lame walled garden of websites that you can browse for free, and download wallpapers and ringtones for an outrageous price - but there is nothing stopping customers (except stupidity) from going to a regular website and downloading the ringtones, wallpapers, 3rd party apps and whatever.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Joe Tie. ( 567096 )
        That excuse always got me as well. While I have my beefs with windows mobile, it's been around for ages and is far more open than the iphone. Not only can I write for it in pretty much any language I want, I can even use most of the same toolkits I'd use for desktop development. Heck, I can use most of the toolkits and libraries that I use for desktop development on linux. And yet somehow satellites haven't been falling from the sky as a result.
        • Yeah I was tempted to get a pocketpc because the development environment (.net CF) is so damn good, and I'm a .net dude in my day job.

          But in the end I got a nokia 6110 navigator. The phenomenal ease of use of the nokia phones, plus a pretty good GPS kept me in the nokia camp.

          I could in theory write S60 apps, but thats all C++ which I'm not very familiar with, and I've heard its a bitch of a development environment, compared to VS.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by deitrahs ( 449087 )
        I have a sybian phone,

        that's one hell of a vibrate setting you've got there...

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by msdschris ( 875574 )
        A real sybian phone?
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybian [wikipedia.org]
        How exciting.
    • repeating lies (Score:3, Informative)

      by nguy ( 1207026 )
      and makes the point that traditional mobile phone handset businesses has been stifled and denied the opportunity to innovate by network operators.

      In fact, several major US carriers (AT&T, Cingular, T-Mobile, probably others) have had GSM systems for years. They work with third party GSM phones, including the fully programmable Palm, Windows Mobile, and Nokia devices. Furthermore, you can get unlimited data for fairly reasonable monthly fees in the US.

      The notion that Apple is doing anything to rescue us
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

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        • Non-programmable? (Score:3, Interesting)

          Palm and Windows smartphones...both at first where also non-programmable (yes they where and anyone who says otherwise is a liar)

          What, exactly, do you mean my 'non-programmable'? Developing Palm applications is quirky but not particularly hard, and I'm not aware of any Palm phone ever that wouldn't let you load third-party apps. The vast majority of the apps I use each day on my Treo 650 are third-party.

          Do you mean the phone functions themselves aren't programmable? Maybe that was true at the introducti

        • bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)

          by nguy ( 1207026 )
          hey might not be carrier exclusives [...] but both are ALSO tied to their own exclusive programs

          You're bullshitting. Palm, Symbian, and Windows Mobile have been available unlocked and have not been tied to any carrier for years.

          and both at first where also non-programmable (yes they where and anyone who says otherwise is a liar), and only opened up a year or two later.

          Again, totally wrong. All three of those systems developed out of programmable PDA platforms. Even if they had been non-programmable a dec
      • by Lumpy ( 12016 )
        Furthermore, you can get unlimited data for fairly reasonable monthly fees in the US.

        Reasonable? are you on drugs? Who in their right mind can call the Slow ISDN speeds we get at $49.99 a month reasonable? That kind of data rate is reasonable at $19.95 a month.

        Also unlimited? huh? NONE of them give you unlimited, I have hit the data cap several times as wel as almost everyone else I know. and no I'm not running bittorrents or downloading video... I'm doing standard business use with a small amount of
        • Sprint?

          1xRTT phones get it at $7.50/mo, EVDO phones get it at $15/mo.
        • by puto ( 533470 ) *
          I pay 20 bucks for my 3g data plan, and my phone regular does a megabit plus to my laptop. No ISDN speeds here.
        • by nguy ( 1207026 )
          Reasonable? are you on drugs? Who in their right mind can call the Slow ISDN speeds we get at $49.99 a month reasonable? That kind of data rate is reasonable at $19.95 a month.

          US wireless data rates are maybe 30-50% higher than what they should be, but that's not the issue here. Here, we're comparing iPhone to other smartphones and smartphone plans. For about the same amount of money that buys you EDGE speed access with an iPhone (with its limited set of applications), you can get unrestricted, unlimited
      • The iPhone is a giant step backwards for smartphones and innovation.

        Why was this modded "informative" instead of "funny"?

        BTW, did you even read the article? The one that talks in length about how the iPhone will pretty much break the existing stranglehold the carriers hold over phones? That alone is the most innovative "feature" any cell phone has come up with thus far. I'm just curious to what downsides are so bad that they cancel out the real innovations such as the slick touch screen and the vis

        • by nguy ( 1207026 )
          The one that talks in length about how the iPhone will pretty much break the existing stranglehold the carriers hold over phones

          Yes. The article is bullshit. GSM carriers already don't have a stranglehold over phones. They choose to sell lousy phones, but you can use whatever phone you like. The Nokia N95, for example, seems to be quite popular and works like a charm even though no carrier sells it.

          The iPhone is a step backwards because it is actually carrier locked, isn't programmable, and doesn't even
          • I agree with the notion that the article is a bit hypocritical, pointing out that the iPhone is breaking the mold, even though the iPhone only works on AT&T (thus continuing to follow the mold). But the REASON it is only on AT&T is because the other carriers didn't want to risk working with Apple. Now they are all second guessing themselves.
            • by nguy ( 1207026 )
              But the REASON it is only on AT&T is because the other carriers didn't want to risk working with Apple. Now they are all second guessing themselves.

              No, that's not the reason. The iPhone is a GSM phone; Apple didn't have to tie it to a carrier at all, they could have sold it unlocked. Furthermore, multiple carriers wanted to have the iPhone in several markets, but Apple only gave it to one carrier. The reason the iPhone is on one carrier only and carrier-locked is because Apple wanted it that way.
              • Perhaps I am mistaken, but there are certain feature sets unique to the iPhone that required a carrier to change their services to work with the iPhone(I believe the visual-voice mail is the example being thrown around). This is the heart of the issue. Apple got a carrier to bend to Apple's needs, instead of the carrier forcing Apple to drop feature sets that wouldn't work on existing networks.

                I am willing to bet that at the end of the exclusive arrangement with AT&T, all the major providers will b

                • by nguy ( 1207026 )
                  Perhaps I am mistaken, but there are certain feature sets unique to the iPhone that required a carrier to change their services to work with the iPhone(I believe the visual-voice mail is the example being thrown around). This is the heart of the issue.

                  I don't see the issue. Several carriers were willing to do this, but Apple restricted the iPhone to a single carrier. Visual voice mail is not necessary for the phone to function correctly, so it would have been fine to offer the phone as an unlocked phone,
        • The one that talks in length about how the iPhone will pretty much break the existing stranglehold the carriers hold over phones? That alone is the most innovative "feature" any cell phone has come up with thus far.

          You're just repeating the article's assertions, which are unfounded. Apple has shipped GSM phone with the ultimate lock in: non-easy-user-accessible SIM card. And Google's Visual Voicemail works fine on lots of phones, so it's obviously not that big a deal. And the Samsung touchscreens with the h
    • TFA describes how Jobs and co. designed a great device, and makes the point that traditional mobile phone handset businesses has been stifled and denied the opportunity to innovate by network operators.

      Is anyone else reminded of the bad old days on the traditional telephone network where you had to lease your phone from Ma Bell? Third party devices were not allowed on the network which meant that Ma Bell had no incentive to either improve their phones or lower the cost.

      from, http://en.wikipedia.org/ [wikipedia.org]

  • by rampant mac ( 561036 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @02:38AM (#21995968)
    You should see the origin of the original article posted yesterday. ./ [slashdot.org]
    • you should submit an article about "The Origin of the Slashdot Article about the Origin of the IPhone", and then submit it again the next day with slightly different wording
  • Boom (Score:5, Funny)

    by 4D6963 ( 933028 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @03:02AM (#21996092)

    FTFA : This 4.8-ounce sliver of glass and aluminum is an explosive device that has forever changed the mobile-phone business

    What an appropriate metaphor to refer to the success of a product that is powered by a lithium-ion battery.

    • Why? Is it powered by a Sony manufactured battery?
      If sony does make batteries for iPhone, and if those batteries explode iPhones, then legally Apple's lawyers have hit the jackpot with a huge lawsuit claiming:
      1. Sony competes with Apple on mobile phones.
      2. Sony makes batteries for Apple phones.
      3. Sony-made batteries explode when used in Apple phones.

      Even IF it is all smoke and no fire, am sure Sony lawyers would be very hard-pressed to force the judge to not see a conspiracy.
      Plus suddenly a sony intern dele
    • Finally, they sell something for those terrists, you know, they have shopping sprees too! ;)
      specs: will only explode in a radius of 20 miles; special edition will explode in a radius of 30 miles!
  • Bullshit! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Quiet_Desperation ( 858215 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @03:52AM (#21996268)
    It fell out of the sky, accompanied by a host of angels. Everyone knows that.

    Then, hovering in the air, surrounded by a wreath of misty light and cherubim, it received it's first call from God who delivered the three prophecies of Cupertina.

    The first was a vision of Hell, which looked like an AT&T service agreement and 900 page bill.

    The second was how to save (switch) souls from the clutches of Vista and delivered by the Virgin Mary herself in the guise of Ellen Feiss.

    The third is held under tight guard by high ranking members of the Huckabee presidential campaign, and is to be revealed on the first New Moon after the current Pope dies.

    So let it be written. So let it be dumb.

  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @04:45AM (#21996488) Journal
    The effect was even more terrifying than one of Jobs' trademark tantrums. When the Apple chief screamed at his staff, it was scary but familiar. This time, his relative calm was unnerving. 'It was one of the few times at Apple when I got a chill,' says someone who was in the meeting."

    The only reason to fear your boss is that your boss can effectively end your livelihood or career. Lauding power over people like that, throwing tantrums, and scaring your employees by staring them down or through false calm just makes me very happy I've never worked for such people. I've had some excellent bosses who've produced some excellent results and none of them have ruled by fear. There's one I remember who got accolades on retiring this year and all anyone could ever say about him was that he was calm and an absolute gentleman under pressure. In contrast when I read about Jobs and Gates I just think "goes to show money won't buy manners".

    As for the iPhone can't say I understand what the fuss about this product is. Last time I participated in a discussion about it someone was rabbiting on about hacks to do video, as if video were an advanced feature for a modern phone. Please!
    • by FireFury03 ( 653718 ) <slashdot@NoSPAm.nexusuk.org> on Friday January 11, 2008 @05:51AM (#21996800) Homepage
      Lauding power over people like that, throwing tantrums, and scaring your employees by staring them down or through false calm just makes me very happy I've never worked for such people.

      This was about the first thing that struck me when I read the article - it really doesn't sound like a good working environment to me.

      Also, I suspect working under that kind of pressure is going to significantly increase the number of silly mistakes being made - not great for the stability of the product.

      As for the iPhone can't say I understand what the fuss about this product is. Last time I participated in a discussion about it someone was rabbiting on about hacks to do video, as if video were an advanced feature for a modern phone. Please!

      I have still to work out what the iPhone's target market is. It isn't a smartphone - it's lacking in too many features that smartphone users expect from their phones (such as being able to run third party software, using the phone to connect their notebook to the internet, etc), yet it is priced up there with the smartphones (more expensive than many too, and most of the smartphones can do 3G).

      Sure, the iPhone's UI is supposed to be excellent, but what's the good in a nice UI if the phone is lacking the the features the target market needs?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by eshefer ( 12336 )
        "but what's the good in a nice UI if the phone is lacking the the features the target market needs?"

        first, it's NOT targeting the smart-phone market, it's targeting the consumer market. BIG DIFFERENCE.

        not that it matters now anyway. last I heard it had a 30% of the smartphones sold in the US in the last few months, and has out sold ALL win-mobile based phones combined in that time frame. aparantly it's not doing too bad.

        it is an open ended device in that it's easly upgradable by apple, at the moment. What's
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by FireFury03 ( 653718 )
          first, it's NOT targeting the smart-phone market, it's targeting the consumer market. BIG DIFFERENCE.

          I'm sorry, I can't believe that you can consider an iPhone to be targetting what you call the "consumer" market (as if smart-phones weren't aimed at consumers too). Let's see: It is pretty bulky and is really expensive - kind of like a smartphone. Certainly not the same market as "consumer" phones such as the Razr, etc.

          not that it matters now anyway. last I heard it had a 30% of the smartphones sold in the
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by coolGuyZak ( 844482 )

            I'm sorry, I can't believe that you can consider an iPhone to be targetting what you call the "consumer" market (as if smart-phones weren't aimed at consumers too). Let's see: It is pretty bulky and is really expensive - kind of like a smartphone. Certainly not the same market as "consumer" phones such as the Razr, etc

            Smart-phones are marketed to the consumer market, but they're designed for a technical or professional market. The iPhone, on the other hand, is both marketed and designed as a high-end consu

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by FireFury03 ( 653718 )
              Note, this doesn't prevent an owner or developer from treating it like a smartphone.

              Sure it does - it is missing many of the features that makes a smartphone a smartphone (no, having to apply un supported 3rd party hacks, or having to wait while Apple decides to allow access to *some* of the features does not count).

              As an aside concerning the bulk, it's not a big deal in my experience. The iPhone is comfortable enough to hold up to your head for short periods of time.

              Notice I said "bulk" not "weight" - the
              • Lest we forget, a primary use case for the iPhone is as an MP3 player. It can be generally assumed that users carry their headphones with them. I'll respond to your other points later... I'm on the road, and the browser sucks for long replies. ;)
          • by eshefer ( 12336 )
            Ah. we seem to differ on what a "market" is.

            smart-phones isn't a "market" per se. it's a type of cellular device. that device is marketed to certain types of people and institutions that constitute the markets it is targeting. Most smartphones are marketed to enterprise customers (IE - the people who end up using them don't actually pay for the devices) or to technical users (power-users/early adopters/geeks markets).
            what I meant by consumer markets is that the person, who's usually a layman - non-technical
            • in the end what matters to most developers is the size of the target market (in this case ipod touch and iphone owners) - the iphone is out for less then 6 months and THAT is why that 30% statistic I mentioned earlier matters.

              That only applies to commercial developers - non-commercial developers don't care how big the market is - they are writing stuff that _they_ want.
      • I have still to work out what the iPhone's target market is.

        People who like shiny gadgets. It's not going after the "Look at me, I work 100 hours a week and I'm so busy I need to screw with my blackberry while I drive!" crowd. It's targeted more at the hipster crowd, who wear their devices as emblems of cool rather than power.

        I don't really need a blackberry or iPhone, because I don't have a ton of downtime where I need entertainment. I'm usually either home (where I have my laptop), work (where I hav

      • by rho ( 6063 )

        This was about the first thing that struck me when I read the article - it really doesn't sound like a good working environment to me.

        Eh. Some people thrive in it. I notice you didn't invent the iPhone.

        When you're a company that more or less defines "inventive", ordinary management is not what you want. Recall Apple from the '90s--hordes of identical spec-bumped boxes with the (very) occasional bright spot like the Newton. But they had "professional" management!

      • The iPhone's target market is college and high school students who are willing to pay for something that makes them look super-hip.
        • by kisrael ( 134664 )

          The iPhone's target market is college and high school students who are willing to pay for something that makes them look super-hip.

          And not condescending Slashdot posters.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by LKM ( 227954 )
      It should be pointed out that the people who actually know Jobs tend to disagree with this public notion of him as a mercurial asshat.

      As for your comment on the iPhone, you don't understand what the fuss is precisely because you think that more features make a better phone. Please!
      • Wait, wait, the iPhone is a phone with the computing power close to my current PC (an old VIA, I can bet the iPhone has a better GPU than my on-board one). Almost its full size is one big screen. Doesn't all this imply that it should be able to run videos easily?

        If I would want a phone with less features, I would bloody not spend 900 euros on it, and for that price end up getting locked in to one provider. Actually I do find phones with less features better, and in europe there are a lot of pre-paid phone

        • Wait, wait, the iPhone is a phone with the computing power close to my current PC (an old VIA, I can bet the iPhone has a better GPU than my on-board one). Almost its full size is one big screen. Doesn't all this imply that it should be able to run videos easily?

          Yes. And?

          If I would want a phone with less features, I would bloody not spend 900 euros on it

          That's you. I moved from a new P990i to an iPhone. It has a lot less features, but I actually use the features it has, and I'm a lot happier with it.

          For example, if I want an MP3 player, I want to be able to mount it like a flash drive and copy music to and from it.

          Why?

          Okay, I get copying from. That's useful. Fortunately, the iPod actually does allow for this. All your music is stored in an invisible directory which can easily be accessed.

          I just don't get the "copy to" thing, though. I hate those dumb players which force you to use the OS to put music on them when I actually use software to manage my M

          • by syousef ( 465911 )
            You want crippled? Your crappy MP3 player which forces you to put music on it using the Windows Explorer, that's crippled.

            Only a complete fool would argue that a crypticly named set of directories and files that you have to use software to fix beats a mountable drive with well named MP3s.

            By the way I own an iPod and while it does most things well crippling the ability to copy back off the thing (done in software with a minor iTunes update) was awful. It makes syncing playlists harder. Oh and my click wheel
        • Doesn't all this imply that it should be able to run videos easily?
          Where's the implication that it doesn't run videos easily? Show me a phone that has better integration with the videos sitting on my desktop and a more elegant and simple way of getting them to my phone, and I might buy into your assertation that the iPhone somehow has difficulty playing videos.
      • by syousef ( 465911 )
        You really should change your name to AppleFanboy. I bet if Apple came out with iTurd you'd defend it too. Apple's so lucky to have sheep like you to sell overpriced crap to.

        It should be pointed out that the people who actually know Jobs tend to disagree with this public notion of him as a mercurial asshat.

        It should be noted that throwing a tantrum is bad manners, and this is independent of whether it's an asshat or a saint doing it.

        As for your comment on the iPhone, you don't understand what the fuss is pr
    • Fully 50% of the people I've demoed it for, have ordered one. So, if you don't want to want one, don't touch one, don't get a demo of one, and you'll be blissfully ignorant. Me, I always have to take the red pill...
      • by syousef ( 465911 )
        Fully 50% of the people I've demoed it for, have ordered one. So, if you don't want to want one, don't touch one, don't get a demo of one, and you'll be blissfully ignorant.

        Good salesmen can sell snake oil. Part of the process is selecting the right sheep^H^H^H^H^Hpeople. Doesn't make it a good product.

        What's the bet you don't mention it's flaws.

        Me, I always have to take the red pill...

        Now that I believe.

        If a phone isn't feature complete or is intentionally crippled I have no interest in paying large sums
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by firewood ( 41230 )
      I've worked for bosses like that. Their track record has been such that the fear isn't over one's career, since one can often get another job that will pay just as well, but that one will not live up to those bosses standards of creating products that sometimes achieve great and sustained market acceptance, as well as being a business success. The employee stock from companies with the nice bosses hasn't done nearly as well over the long haul in my small statistical sampling. YMMV.
  • by heroine ( 1220 )
    The article makes it sound like it really is the CEO who drives everything and everything else is automatic. It's pretty accurate to how Silicon Valley works. The CEO drives it and everything else is mostly automatic.

    Consider that Jobless made a few hundred million dollars and adoration from legions of fans while the engineers probably got a few tens of thous in bonuses and increased rent on their dumpy Sunnyvale apartments.

    • by arcite ( 661011 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @06:34AM (#21997020)
      But its true. Consider...if the iphone had tanked, there is a good chance that not only Jobs would be out of a Job but that Apple could be out of luck as well. The CEO can take all the glory but they also take all the blame.
      • by Kelbear ( 870538 )

        Blame sounds like a bad thing until you realize it comes with a multi-million dollar severance package.
      • Yes, you are so right. Many times I have heard stories of CEOs being exiled from the businesses they ran, thrown out into the cold, cruel world with only twenty or thirty million dollars in cash and stock options, and wept.

        WAH!
  • News? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by MikeRR ( 245489 )
    Is this news?

    Some boss has a tantrum in the past when a product is behind schedule.

    Might have been news if it was reported AT THE TIME, before the iphone was released,
    but now?

    Nope..
    • It provides an interesting insight to how Apple does things differently behind closed doors. It also might provide some insight to why their products are so damned good. Profitability and devices that work really well shouldn't be mutually exclusive, like they tend to be in 95% of the tech market.
  • I can't imagine anyone at Sony Ericsson getting so worked up about a smartphone. Their P990i and new products exhibit poor design and are full of bugs. Design by commitee comes to mind. Their solution to customers having problems with their current phone is to tell them to buy the next one where the bugs are fixed.
    • by Macrat ( 638047 )
      I have to agree. I was a happy owner of the P800 and the P910. The P990 is a complete disappointment. Non-intuitive interfaces and overly complex for go real benefit.
  • by davide marney ( 231845 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @08:04AM (#21997400) Journal
    Jobs and his crew have given us a beautiful device but an ugly product. It is completely locked into its two vendors, and is not a good value.

    I hate vendor lock-in. I hate being told how I can use something I bought. It's mine. I paid for it. I've earned the right to control it.

    If a vendor wants my business, he needs to EARN it.
    • Totally. I can say with no fear of hyperbole that I have just about turned blue holding my breath waiting for Openmoko to release a consumer product. I am no developer, so the Neo 1973 (and the Trolltech greenphone before that) doesn't quite cut it for me. I nearly peed my pants when I saw news articles announcing the Freerunner. example [arstechnica.com]

      I still don't see it marketed anywhere though.
    • by repetty ( 260322 )
      > Jobs and his crew have given us a beautiful device but an ugly product.
      > It is completely locked into its two vendors, and is not a good value.

      Two opinions, of course, and certainly you are absolutely entitled to them both, but you come off appearing merely contrarian.

      I do agree with you about hating vendor lock-in but I'm not going to get religious about it. Vendor lock-in doesn't automatically make a product a bad value any more than being a Republican makes a person automatically wrong (it just s
  • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

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  • by Britz ( 170620 ) on Friday January 11, 2008 @09:11AM (#21997740)
    one tiny little bit.

    THE COMPETITION

    When the article talks about all the things they needed to work out how the phone connects to networks and how the brain gets microwaved (or not) it fails to mention, that this is only news to Apple, not all the other mobile phone manufacturers of the world. Especially when the article talks about the phone being light years ahead it completely resolves into pure Apple fanboy talk.

    Those are just three examples of phones that you could compare to the Iphone:
    http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/ke850.jhtml [lge.com]
    http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch.htm [htc.com]
    http://uk.samsungmobile.com/mobile/SGH-F700 [samsungmobile.com]

    I have one just like the last Samsung model. Mine also has WLan and, like the Samsung, it has a full sized keyboard. Nokia is not even on that list. All of the phone makers have a wide variaty of phones to fit every customers preferred style. Candy bar being the best liked. Many have important features that the Iphone is lacking. Like UMTS support to get decent speed for surfing whe web. Opera build a decent web browser complete with a proxy that "refits" webpages so they look good on a small screen years ago. It is written in Java and works on many phones.

    The mobile phone market has enough players that the competition actually works (not like the OS market for PCs). Of those three phones up the all of them use a different OS for example. The HTC model even uses Microsoft Mobile, an OS that sucks less and less with each version, because they face a steep competition by Symbian. And Google just joined.

    There are just two things that were new with the IPhone. First was the touchscreen that you can operate on with more than one finger. A feature that is pretty cool and was therefore swiftly copied by everyone else.

    The second thing is the Apple marketing. The only thing right now that makes Apple stand out. That and their tie in with Itunes. Itunes has such a large market share, it almost became a monopoly. And now they try to extend that power to other products and markets. Sounds familiar? Another reason why the IPod-ITunes connection works so good.

    And that brings us to the last little thing which the article good completely right. Back in 2002 (I would say even earlier, but the article says that was when Jobs woke up to that fact) it became clear that phones will aquire more and more memory and computing power, just like the regular PC. Some people prefer to have funtions seperate on different devices. They like their music player, phone and PDA, or just one of them. Other people like to have everything in one device. And Jobs/Apple wanted to sell Ipods to those people as well. So the Ipod needed to become a phone and a PDA.

    And it did. Ipod touch is a PDA and the Iphone is a smartphone.
    • I have one just like the last Samsung model. Mine also has WLan and, like the Samsung, it has a full sized keyboard.

      A full-sized keyboard? Really? Doesn't that make it hard to put in your pocket?
    • And how many of those models existed before the iPhone? Whether you like Apple & their products or not, the fact of the matter is the world is a better place with them in it. You can argue about whether they are truly innovative or just put things together & popularize it, but the buzz they generate and the money they make drives the competition to step up their game.
  • Iphone (Score:2, Interesting)

    "The phone dropped calls constantly, the battery stopped charging before it was full, data and applications routinely became corrupted and unusable. The list of problems seemed endless." I got an iphone 2 months ago. Every single word in that sentence still applies. Battery has charging issues they say is a firmware problem,, but it hasn't been fixed yet after several firmware updates, it drops calls constantly (even at full signal strength), and I routinely have to reset the phone to make crashed applicat
  • This is the difference between Apple and the other cell phone manufacturers and software makers. If this barely-working device had been produced at a board meeting at Palm, they would have patted themselves on the back and shipped it. If the Microsoft Windows mobile team had showed such a horrendous device - same story, it would have been on everyone's phone within a year. The bottom line for most companies is "is it good enough to make people buy."

    This is the difference between a good, revolutionary C

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