Leopard as the New Vista? 734
ninja_assault_kitten writes "There's an interesting rant from Oliver Rist up on the PC Magazine site. He compares the catastrophe that is Vista to the recently released OS X Leopard. While clearly one is a lion and the other a cub, there do appear to be some frustrating similarities. From the article: 'A month of using Leopard with the same software I had under Tiger and the OS has dumped six times. That's six cold reboots for Oliver. Apple isn't even honest enough to admit that Leopard is crashing: The OS just grays out my desktop and pops up a dialog box telling me I've got to reboot. Like the whole thing is my fault. I even snapped a picture of it. After all, I HAD PLENTY OF CHANCES!'"
Anecdotal evidence is worthless (Score:5, Informative)
I have been using Leopard since 12 hours before it was officially released. I have had two kernel panics. Both panics were my fault. (As in I explicitly loaded a kernel extension that caused the crash. Both times.)
Three or four of my friends have been using Leopard since it came out and have had no crashes at all.
My whole family's been on Leopard since it came out and has also had no crashes at all.
Clearly, LEOPARD HATES YOU!
-:sigma.SB
Is this idiot for real? (Score:5, Informative)
XP Pro pre-SP1 crashed all the time, and Microsoft owned up to it--mostly. XP Pro post-SP2 crashed once in a while, and we sighed and kept working while Microsoft looked embarrassed and yelled at someone to work faster on SP3
Now (at work) i have 4 Linux boxes, 1 Solaris workstation and a windows XP machine that i no longer use actively (keep it around for compatibility tests). However i've used XP since it came out in 2000. It didn't crash always pre-SP1, it didn't crash frequently post XP-SP1 and after XP SP2, i've had the box be up for 180 days before i had to power it down for a memory upgrade and then the box was up for 328 days before i moved offices. I am all for Vista bashing - i am all for Mac bashing and once in a while Linux as a desktop smacking but that section above there makes him lose all credibility.
All i can tell him is L2UseAComputer, tard. Mod me down but you know there's truth in this post.
Re:What will be interesting (Score:5, Informative)
One man's opinion (Score:4, Informative)
The only real nitpicks I have with Leopard are that the UI occasionally seems slower and some of the UI choices are baffling (the menu bar can be grody with some wallpapers, I ended up switching off the dock shelf, and the folder icons are a huge step backwards) and even those nitpicks are worth it to get a UI that is otherwise relatively clean and consistent (under Tiger I was using a UI called Uno. Before upgrading, I uninstalled it, and Tiger's UI is really grating).
Similar Issues (Score:2, Informative)
Their developers noted that Apple made substantial changes to Leopard between Release Candidate and Final. A number of other apps I had broke, though most were patched within about 1-2 weeks.
The following crash has happened three times since installing Leopard. It appears to be a Wireless driver issue, and appears to occur at random. There's an Apple thread about this (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5867190). Anyone have a clue as to what's going on? Could this be Parallels related, even though it occurs when Parallels isn't even running?
Fri Nov 23 19:14:00 2007
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x0039CD77): "m_free: freeing an already freed mbuf"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-1228.0.2/bsd/kern/uipc_mbuf.c:2742
Backtrace, Format - Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x3422f978 : 0x12b0e1 (0x455670 0x3422f9ac 0x133238 0x0)
0x3422f9c8 : 0x39cd77 (0x48e03c 0x30141200 0x8594fe0 0x1)
0x3422fa08 : 0x39d073 (0x300cd000 0x8 0x3422fa58 0x1)
0x3422fa28 : 0x8f9b87 (0x301b1000 0x0 0x20 0x2)
0x3422fb98 : 0x8f9ec5 (0x23a782c8 0x23a7a150 0x3422fbc8 0x1a6d13)
0x3422fce8 : 0x90520b (0x23b71004 0x0 0x46 0xbf4b40)
0x3422fe68 : 0x8d584a (0x23a784c0 0x0 0x4203 0x49f76d0)
0x3422feb8 : 0x8d6f3f (0x95dc80 0x95dc84 0x49f76b0 0x135e09)
0x3422ff48 : 0x8d54b7 (0x42d4804 0x0 0x1361b0 0x19ccc1)
0x3422ff78 : 0x13e987 (0x42d4c94 0x42d4804 0x1a136f 0x58e46b0)
0x3422ffc8 : 0x19e2ec (0x0 0x0 0x1a10b5 0x49f76b0)
Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.AirPort.Atheros(300.22)@0x8d4000->0x95efff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IO80211Family(200.7)@0x8b6000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4)@0x63c000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily(1.6.0)@0x64c000
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
Mac OS version:
9B18
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 9.1.0: Wed Oct 31 17:46:22 PDT 2007; root:xnu-1228.0.2~1/RELEASE_I386
System model name: MacBookPro2,2 (Mac-F42187C8)
they hosed the interface (Score:4, Informative)
I have had the feeling that Apple went a little Microsoft with Leopard.
Re:Obvious (Score:5, Informative)
Apple incremental 10.5.x updates aren't even in the same ballpark as Microsoft service packs. 10.5.1 is more easily compared to Windows update or patch Tuesday when Microsoft roll out a bunch of changes. And as someone who uses Vista and Leopard (dual boot Mac Pro) I can assure you the Vista updates have been coming just as thick and fast. I have no allegiance to Bill or Steve, and I'm a reasonably satisfied customer of both their products (Vista isn't nearly bad as most people who've never even used it would have you believe), but if you want to mindlessly bash Microsoft, at least make sure you're not basing your argument on a complete fallacy.
Re:Another Perspective (Score:5, Informative)
Well, so did Microsoft. The thing is, to a blind person, it's not all about the sound of the voice.
These so-called naturall-sounding voices, well, they dont' sound natural to me. They are filled with digital artifacts, and the inflection is all wrong.
But the biggest disadvantage of these voices is that they break down at high speeds. The more robotic voices, although they don't at all have human intonations, have superior pronounciation, understandability, and I can understand them as high as 400 WPM. You can't do that with the human-sounding voices, if they will even let you go that high (Most have a low speed threshold).
Am I that rare? Leopard user with 0 problems (Score:3, Informative)
Vista (160GB internal)
Leopard (500GB external FW800)
3 additional external USB Drives (~ 1TB of space)
1 USB DVD burner
I've never had a crash, all of my software has worked perfectly. Of course, I did do a fresh install and selectively moved my old programs back - rather than an Upgrade. 0 problems.
Re:Problem with his computer. (Score:5, Informative)
For the record, as long as I'm at it, I can just as easily say that people's Vista problems are specific to their machines, because I use Vista, and it runs like a dream. Stable, runs all my apps/games (except KOTOR) properly... nothing more to ask, really. And no, it doesn't run slower than Windows XP. There are other very satisfied Vista users, they've even posted on slashdot. So clearly, the people who are having problems are just having issues with their specific computers.
Leopard since release day. No crashes. (Score:3, Informative)
Painless.
No kernel panics.
Reboots only from installs who demanded it.
I miss classic, but I'll get over it.
Re:Because PC Magazine is an authority? (Score:3, Informative)
In any case, I would not be suprised to find he installed a custom 3rd party alpha keyboard driver for his mac book, or something. As a mac user myself, I'm really suprised at how many vocal people are in letting people know they had a problem with their mac, that was caused by something silly they did, only to fix the problem by doing something even sillier and proclaiming Apple's greatness.
I'm not trolling, really I'm not. Its just bizarre. I've done enough tech support for friends and families to know that everyone does silly things, and often do sillier things to work around them, but they usually don't tell people about it, and they really don't proclaim Microsoft's greatness afterwards. In fact, they usually blame Microsoft.
Re: Ditto Mostly (Score:1, Informative)
Only have a couple of issues... One non cosmetic = Time Machine is a bit fragile. that will probably be fixed in a few updates.
Two cosmetic issues: one, no right click on a folder in the dock to get a menu of the folder contents. Two, translucent menu bar. Fixed with a pref change found on macosxhints. Overall, I really like leopard.
Weird (Score:1, Informative)
Potential Dump Fix (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What will be interesting (Score:1, Informative)
Re:I'm using Leopard right now (Score:2, Informative)
I think I know the fix (Score:4, Informative)
10.5.1 has KP'd about 30 times for me, details (Score:2, Informative)
Specifically, though, some applications tend to cause the system to KP, but only on Macbooks and Macbook Pros. One of the most prevalent is Azureus.
If you've been seeing panics, especially when running azureus, little snitch, or parallels, you might find the following interesting:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5665070 [apple.com]
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1224480 [apple.com]
The latest suggestions are that the IPv6 code in the Airport kext is at fault, which can be disabled easily (for now).
I've also had about five panics after turning the screen off. This appears to be the same panic, as covered below:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?p=1174408 [appleinsider.com]
Anyway, I'm getting really tired of it, and have started using my ubuntu desktop for primary productivity. Probably will downgrade to 10.4.11 if no effective fix comes out in the next few days.
Unfortunately, the problem is very real for macbook users.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Leopard is buggy and Apple has few excuses (Score:3, Informative)
My post had nothing to do with excusing Apple for the bugs in Leopard - nor did I make any claim about Leopard NOT being buggy... actually I pointed out links that show just how many (and it isnt a small list) fixes Leopard needed - from Apple's very own web pages.
Yeah, but Apple's 10.5.1 update seems quite similar to what MS would call a Service Pack... comparing it to the individual fixes MS releases isnt fair. That is why I even put links into my posts that showed what was fixed (BIG list for each link) - so the comparison to a Service Pack could be made (which is a far more accurate comparison).
Ah... well, I am waiting to see those reports hit the net... (still buggy). As for the "magnitude more configurations" - yes, that is true... but wasn't the point. Saying 1 month (Apple) is equal to 12+ months (MS) as the author tried alluding to, simply isnt accurate.
I never disputed the validity of his complaints about OSX... I said the comparisons weren't accurate. I even said that the piece was fair in it's criticism of Leopard - but off the wall in it's comparison of the two (Leopard and Vista).
There are plenty of different reasons to gripe about Leopard from what I have read - also a reason I pointed out the links I did (because it LISTS all the issues that were resolved - and thus that were RELEASED in Leopard). Again, the point is, the comparisons dont make sense - even though his criticism of Leopard *by itself* may be accurate... and the comparisons make that criticism inccorect or skewed in some of the cases(for instance the GUI enhancements and networking - as I also pointed out).
I think perhaps you just misread my post... check out my followup posts as well - as they may help you to understand the first post a little better.
Re:One man's opinion (Score:3, Informative)
He stated, in the video, that he had difficulty setting up Time Machine. All you do is plug in a USB drive, tell Time Machine to use it, tell Time Machine to exclude certain directories if you want, then turn it on, done. It's only got like three preferences. It took little effort setting it up to work over a AFP mounted drive on my Linux box and he can't figure out the most simplest way to set it up?
Re:Worthless chatter (Score:3, Informative)
Given Mac's heritage in graphic design (ie. the people who stuck with apple from '95-2000), it's not surprising to hear designer after designer lamenting decisions they don't agree with.
The new dock appearance has had no end of critics; fortunately it can be configured and customized fairly easily. The translucent menu bar is similar. In both cases, Apple should have provided the tools, instead of forcing people to take matters into their own hands.
The dock in general has had no end of critics; there is a legion of users who pine for the days of the "classic" interface; not because it's bad, but because it's not what they had in 1984. In some ways, I see the design complaints like an old man sitting on his porch, lamenting the styling of modern cars.
Though I'd like to see an example of a 'real' deficiency that has been spun as a wonderful feature. It's easy to say that apple is ignoring major problems, but I have yet to see any examples. Any of the 'design' issues like icon appearance, dock appearance, or menu bar appearance are customizable, should you not like the default. But design is, to me, a non-issue, as it's very subjective, and there's no pleasing everybody.
And as for Apple users not holding Apple to a higher standard - surely you jest. Graphic designers have been complaining long and loud ever since OS X was released about things they didn't like. (Probably before that, but I didn't consider "Classic" macintosh at all viable). Unix geeks have also held apple to a very high standard - to the point that it's now one of the very few operating systems that's been certified as Unix. In fact, the terminal application received a major amount of attention in Leopard, with many improvements.
That being said, I also have & run Vista. Frankly, it seems (to me) to be little different from XP from a user's standpoint. Again, some graphic design issues, some I like, some I don't. (I think it's funny to hear people lament about the Leopard Folder icons. Vista's were an even bigger step backwards...) But overall, Vista was just plain underwhelming to me. Vista had more compatibility issues at release than Leopard did, though a good part of that was lousy video drivers from ATI & Nvidia. I also don't appreciate Vista's umpteen levels of DRM and having to click "allow or deny" all kinds of connections to the internet. XP couldn't play many games as a non-administrator (I haven't checked if Vista has the same problem).
In general, OS X, like most Unix & unix-like OSes, just works with a non-administrative user. XP was a joke, and I haven't seen anything to indicate an improvement in Vista.
His experiences are unusually bad (Score:4, Informative)
Certainly, there have been some issues, but nobody has reported the level of crashes that he's been seeing. I think his unfortunate experience is an edge case.
That many crashes is, IMO, not really acceptable, especially for a *nix-based OS, but I don't think the Vista comparison is very apt. For starters, in TFA he says their own reviewer recommends not upgrading to 10.5.1. Pretty much everyone who already installed Leopard where I work has upgraded to the latest release, and the reports I hear are that it has made all problems better. Instead of listening to his reviewer, he should update.
If you're getting the idea that I'm still on Tiger, you're right. I know better than to install a
The second point on which the Vista comparison fails is that unlike Vista, Leopard offers a number of compelling features that make people want to upgrade. Vista has been out a lot longer than Leopard, but I'd be very surprised if Leopard doesn't already have a higher percentage of upgraders than Vista has. XP Users seem to be sitting tight, for the most part. Among Tiger users, it's not a question of upgrading or not, but of how soon. The reason most XP users are not upgrading is they see no compelling reason to do so. Most of what Vista added is eye candy, and it has some downsides in the form of annoying security dialogs and a lot more DRM than XP has.
Third, unlike Vista, Leopard didn't have to shed its most compelling features in order to ship. Vista was supposed to come with wonderful new technologies like WinFS, which was not only dropped from Vista, but has been completely dropped as a standalone product. A rumor went around that XFS would be the Leopard file system; that turned out to be just a rumor. And it is available in Leopard, it's just not the default file system. All the really cool stuff that was supposed to be in Vista mostly isn't. There are those who say the security model is better (and maybe it is, although those annoying dialogs are worse than useless), but what people mainly see in Vista is eye candy. Eye candy that takes a lot more horsepower to really make use of. Even there, Vista fails it compared to Leopard (or even Tiger) in terms of looks.
And that's without even getting started on functionality, reliability, ease of use, and consistency. For all of its
Finally, what may be the biggest difference of all between Vista and Leopard: a year from now, Leopard will have achieved significant adoption in the Mac user base. I'll go out on a limb and say that a year from its release, Leopard will not only have a greater percentage of the Mac user base than Vista has of the Windows user base when it reaches 1 year of general public release on Jan. 30 2008, but that one year from its release, Leopard will have a greater percentage of the Mac market than Vista has of the Windows market at *two* years from its release.
That last may sound like a fanboy statement, but it's really not. It's just recognition of the facts that Mac users, unlike X
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and also,
Results 1 - 10 of about 404,000 for Win32 compatibility layer in OS X. (0.12 seconds)
The very first hit suggests So it might be not be easy, but the fact that there was found what appears to be a windows binary loader in leopard lends at least some credence to the theory. Since this theory is not unique to the poster, he isn't "obviously making shit up".
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What will be interesting (Score:5, Informative)
Apple delivered reference updates to Mac OS X in 2002, 2003, and 2005, along with a transition to Intel processors in 2006 and a port to ARM for the iPhone in 2007 and a new reference release as Leopard for Macs. That's four paid releases, which adds up to less the cost of Vista Ultimate and a de-malware checkup. In between, Apple has released over 35 free minor updates that fix issues and add significant new features (such as IP over Firewire, or file system journaling).
Ten Myths of Leopard: 2 It's Only a Service Pack! [roughlydrafted.com]
Ten Myths of Leopard: 10 Leopard is a Vista Knockoff! [roughlydrafted.com]
Vista is the most expensive consumer OS ever, but offers very little to PC users. Leopard, like every OS ever released, has issues. Tiger had issues, and new Macs running Tiger have issues. There will never be a perfect OS, and if there were, third party apps would have issues for it. But Leopard is a solid upgrade over Tiger, and fixes issues in Tiger.
The fact that Oliver Rist--a complete Microsoft shill who has minimal experience in small business selling Windows software, yet writes a column on "Windows in the Enterprise" for InfoWorld--has written a "Leopard has Vista-like problems that ever Vista doesn't have!!" should be of no surprise. The Windows Enthusiasts have all been trying to associate all of Microsoft's problems upon Apple lately.
Rist's last flamebait was an article titled "Does OS X Suck!!!?!?" where he tried to suggest the idea that Mac OS X is just FreeBSD with some custom icons painted by Apple, talked about "Apple jihaders," and tied in the hard drive failure of his MacBook as a problem with Mac OS X Tiger. Now suddenly he views Tiger as rock solid, and Leopard as something that suffers regular kernel panics? Rist even won a Zoon Award for his rant.
The August 2007 Zoon Awards for Technical Ignorance and Incompetence [roughlydrafted.com]
Leopard, like Vista, is unlikely to suffer from kernel failure unless bad hardware in involved, or problematic kernel drivers have been installed. The problems with Vista are largely related to an inefficient, version 1.0 graphics compositing engine that assumes the presence of a high power GPU; a new driver model that fails to support a lot of common hardware; a flashy new interface that sacrifices usability to look interesting; and the lack of many practical new features.
Leopard doesn't have any of those problems (aside from some that don't like the look of the Dock, which is easy to change). Leopard has some minor issues with some apps and some new kinks to work out, problems that Vista also shares. Leopard has a mature graphics compositing engine that has been refined over the last 7 years and can scale down to work on less than stellar hardware; a largely unchanged driver model; and lots of new practical features, from visual backups to virtual desktops to UI refinements, file viewers, et cetera.
Ten Myths of Leopard: 1 Graphics Must Be Slow! [roughlydrafted.com]
Ten Myths of Leopard: 8 No Hidden New Features! [roughlydrafted.com]
It is unlikely that Rist has any real understanding of what Leopard even is.
Re:What will be interesting (Score:3, Informative)
I noticed that even with Tiger (even thaugh Tiger didn't crash, there I had slowdowns, app-evel issues etc). OS X/PPC just runs better than OS X/Intel.
You've got something here. I'll swear my 2 year old iBook G4 (1.something GHz) running Tiger just feels smoother than my Macbook Pro (Intel dual core2). Going by the numbers this shouldn't be the case, but boot times, application launch times and general "smoothness" makes me prefer the iBook ...
One thing that does make a big difference is RAM. 2GB RAM is the minimum I'd
consider for any Mac, particularly if you use the "switch user" feature.
Rich.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:5, Informative)
I heard a great story about why Microsoft is forcing all future OS versions to be 64-bit only. Apparently, only the 64-bit modes of Intel/AMD CPUs are capable of enforcing DRM effectively. HD-DVD content will only be released to 64-bit versions of Windows. You gotta love the future.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:5, Informative)
Leopard is stable for the majority of all its users.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:1, Informative)
You mean Microsoft and Apple?
Canonical dont make own OS, they use GNU/Linux and package it to one form to give users what they want or canonical thinks they need.
Microsoft has own OS, Vista and XP (now) and Apple has own too Tiger and Leopard. Canonical just have GNU/Linux and own distribution from it.
Canonical cant control what kind version Gnome comes out because they dont own Gnome, they cant control what kind kernel there is coming out, because they dont own Linux and they cant control what kind status Debian unstable branche is because they dont own Debian development.
Apple and Microsoft is simple controlling all these because they own them and they are their own OS system what comes with few their applications.
Canonical just dont own Ubuntu anyway, just it brand 'Ubuntu' and what Ubuntu can control, is what packages they take from 'GNU/Linux world'.
Yes, Ubuntu is OS but it's not different OS for other distributions like Vista is for Leopard. Ubuntu is different OS for Vista and Leopard but it is same OS for SUSE and Debian. Unless you can proof that exm. Firefox is needed to build with Ubuntu support in it to get it work or Gnome is Ubuntus own desktop and you cant install anything outside of Ubuntu repositories (exm from source) etc etc?
Re:What will be interesting (Score:5, Informative)
Ignoring the fact that most people would never pay $500 for an OS(take a look at the OEM vista costs, or the costs for home, or student discount, or any other number of popular ways to get it) or that I don't even know where you'd spend $3000 on hardware -- I tried to price out desktop hardware while debating buying a macbookpro and ended up with https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=522277 [newegg.com] , $800 cheaper than the lowend macbook pro but has a quad core 2.4ghz(OCable to 3.6ghz on air), 4gigs of ram, top end video card, etc.
But thats not the point I wanted to make.
The point was that you don't compare paying $150 every couple of years to any outside competition, you look at it and say is this really worth $150 compared to the version I already have? Did they actually add $150 worth of new features?
You aren't renting the OS, you're buying software. You really shouldn't pay $150 for something you already have + a few small features, unless those features are worth $150.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:3, Informative)
None of the machines running leopard in the apple store seemed to be crashing, and there were 50+ machines on display.
Of the 3 leopard machines i have, only one has crashed, and it's happened once. This was due to plugging in a blackberry. When i upgraded the system from Tiger, i had installed "pocket mac for blackberry" which includes a kernel driver for the device, and this caused leopard to crash. Reinstalling pocketmac cleared up the problems and it's worked since.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:5, Informative)
There are a number of UI regressions in Leopard, but only one issue I would consider should have been a show-stopper. If you upgrade from Tiger with File Vault enabled then the first time you log out then your home directory becomes inaccessible and you can't log back in again. See my journal for how to recover from this; I've wasted over five hours of my life fixing this since I upgraded and I consider this completely unacceptable.
Re:What will be interesting (Score:3, Informative)
all of the minor quirks i found were fixed in 10.5.1, and all the problems with Final Cut Pro 6 were fixed with 6.0.2. i haven't had it crash, pause, hang up, whatever. The only issue i found is with the VPN connection to my work, i believe it changed some settings there. but other than that, it's been a pleasure to use.
all of the installs were upgrades except my macbook, which i did an Archive and Install. the fact that it works SO WELL from one version of the OS on one DVD across all the machines... G4, G5, intel core duo... and that it works well even on the G4s, is pretty impressive.
2 things I don't see as 'minor' (Score:3, Informative)
However, I'm pretty pissed with Leopard. Two things that unbelievably piss me off on my $3k+ MacBook Pro:
1. The fucking wireless STILL cannot find my Airport Express after waking from sleep. This is shit I'd expect from Linux circa 2003 (which did used to happen to me). Word on the street is that the wireless driver crashes and in order to find my base station, which is usually no more than 8' away from me, I have to turn off Airport and then back on again. Totally lame and unacceptable.
2. My keyboard freezes. The only way to unfreeze it is either to reboot or close the lid and sleep. This is beyond lame and total bullshit. Makes me wanna throw my laptop out the window.
Oh and I hate Spaces. Complete garbage and of course it doesn't conform to how I WANT to work, I have to conform to it - lame. I'm trying to compile/fix DesktopManager to no avail. Sigh. In my opinion, this is where X ruled.
Oh and when I upgraded my Mini media comp, the upgrade crashed, wouldn't allow me to re-install (it kept the little spinner going forever) and the only way I could get back on track was to pull the hard drive and then reboot form the cd. My friends MBP (used to be my 1st gen MBP) crashes on him almost every day after Leopard updating.
I was an avid Linux user for over 10 years and WindowMaker was my deal. But I hate Gnome and its cartoon-like interface (and the fact that it's being invaded by C# turns me off even more). I hate compiling my kernel, apps, etc like I used to with Gentoo. I do miss REAL window activation follows mouse. I do use Linux on all my servers tho cuz 'it just works' and f-ing works well. Every year I try the Linux desktop again and every year I delete that VM.
Windows, never. Besides cartoon-ish interface, everything is backwards and forces me to work in ways worse than OS X. Their command prompt sux (even Vista) and I spend a good portion of my day with terms open.
So, yay, I have a full 64-bit OS without having to buy the explicitly named 64-bit version. And some nice eye candy which I do appreciate. But I call bullshit on Apple (even after being a user for 6+ years now). If the Airport issue and the keyboard thing weren't there, then I wouldn't have much to complain about - besides Spaces. These may seem 'minor' offenses, but they're definitely a chink in Apple's armor as far as I'm concerned. Apple will probably fix these things faster than M$ would, but they're gonna heap a ton of denial and arrogance on the whole process as well.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Clearly you're mistaken (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What will be interesting (Score:3, Informative)
I only have one machine running leopard but my experience has been much the same as yours. I haven't had any crashes, kernel panics or dropped network connections. I had an issue with a torrent client that stopped working due to incompatibility with leopard. I'm not sure if they have fixed it because I started using a different (and better) client.
I found this to be as smooth an upgrade as any I have ever run and I have had no issues with my new install. I'm sure leopard isn't perfect, nothing is, but its not some huge pile of crashes.
Re:What will be interesting (Score:2, Informative)