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Bernie Campbell writes "Forbes takes a look at the recently announced Kindle ebook from Amazon, and considers the possibility that Apple may have beaten them to the punch. 'Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs has a not-so-secret weapon when it comes time to load up the iPhone with content: Google ... Google's Book Search project has already pumped much of the world's printed matter into Google's servers. Downloads of classic titles, such as Bleak House, can already be had for free. Mix Apple's iTunes content distribution smarts with Google's vast storehouse of content, and you'll have an instant competitor to Kindle -- one with a touch interface and the ability to play movies and music, too.'
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  • I'll take real books please. No batteries required.
    • Re:No Thanks (Score:5, Interesting)

      by letxa2000 (215841) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:02PM (#21423181)

      I believe the Kindle was also going to be the size of a standard paperback book. That means its screen size is going to be a lot more functional for reading than the relatively small size of the iPhone screen.

      When will people get over the iPhone already? Really, it's just a phone.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        I'm not sure how you got modded troll... perhaps it was someone who is totally in love with the iPhone had mod points and took offense to that last sentence.

        Mods: Read this: If you are the person who modded the above Troll, I suggest you go and read the moderator guidelines. If you think its still justified, how about making a comment as to why you think it still deserves -1, Troll.

        I fuckin hope I get to meta-mod the parents comment.
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          You're right, gp should not have been modded Troll. Should have been Flamebait. You and me, though, we're clearly Offtopic.
              • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                Well... there are some areas that don't "just work". Fortunately, most are just bugs and will be fixed quickly once an SDK is available.

                Big things that are missing, though? GPS. High speed internet. Replaceable SIM card. Replaceable battery. Actual "phone off" mode (where you can travel and use the other features without it phoning home constantly).

                I have a phone (a helio ocean) that delivers most of the same functionality, cost half as much, and has several features the iPhone lacks (though it is also prov
              • Re:No Thanks (Score:4, Interesting)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 20 2007, @02:29PM (#21424789)
                Well, they can be had for less than half the price of the iPhone, can do everything the iPhone can do, have a ton of 3rd party apps (including one of the iPhone's big selling points, google maps), and are very hackable. Mine also has a slide out keyboard, built in GPS, and 3G. It cost me less than $200 and has better battery life than the iPhone. Sure the UI isn't so simplified that any idiot can use it, but it's quite easy to use if you take the time to figure it out. I'll take the extras over shiny and a nifty on screen keyboard any day.
      • Re:No Thanks (Score:5, Insightful)

        by bennomatic (691188) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:51PM (#21424053) Homepage
        The iPhone actually isn't just a phone. In fact, it's arguable whether or not it's among the best phones out there. There are phones with simpler--i.e. phone only--interfaces, nicer form factors (little flip phones, for example) and probably better sound, clearer reception, etc.

        The attraction of the iPhone is that it isn't just a phone. I don't have one, and probably won't get one for some time, but there are times--like when I'm traveling--that I would prefer to have one device that fulfills the functions of my Palm, my phone, and my video iPod all at once. The fact that this device does all this and more, including what I believe is a best-of-breed palmtop web access interface, puts it well outside the "just a phone" category.

        But the real point here is not that it's the best thing ever. It's not. The point is that people only have (a) so much money, and (b) so much patience and space for carrying around gadgets. If people didn't want to carry a phone, a palm and an iPod, and consolidated them into an iPhone, then they aren't likely to want to add a new device for reading purposes unless there is something really revolutionary about the device. For someone who has to read on a portable device for a living, I can see them getting this and using it. If it were really cheap, I could see it being a popular gift. If the interface were sleek and simple, maybe it would be successful. But unfortunately, it's not all that awesome, and it's not cheap. I'd be very surprised if it gained more than a tiny niche audience.

        People don't want one more thing to sync, to charge, to update, to carry, to protect. The iPhone is not the best at each thing that it does. However, it's good enough at a lot of things, including, potentially, at being an e-reader, that it's probably going to be tough for an expensive, single-function device to compete with it without some major advances.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          People don't want one more thing to sync, to charge, to update, to carry, to protect.

          That's why I have a Treo, and have had it for years. It can do all the things you mentioned--web browsing, email, MP3 player, video player. In the end, what I value is the phone, the Palm aspect (its calendar, etc.), and I occasionally use the web browsing and email. I used the video player and MP3 player to see that it worked. Then I was done with that. I usually use an Mp3 player when I'm biking and have the MP3 p

              • Treo 650 with the standard Blazer browser.

                I can't find a screenshot of the browser, except for this page [palm.com], which looks like ass. The fact that they don't show a real web page in their advertisement makes me think that the pages don't look exactly like a desktop browser.

                Never going to happen, not even with an iPhone, unless you're prepared to carry around a 12" monitor with you. [...] But I'm not going to do any serious browsing on anything with a screen size of the Treo or iPhone.

                That's what I'm te

      • Re:No Thanks (Score:5, Informative)

        by illumin8 (148082) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:52PM (#21424069) Journal

        I believe the Kindle was also going to be the size of a standard paperback book. That means its screen size is going to be a lot more functional for reading than the relatively small size of the iPhone screen.
        This is something people are missing out on a lot. I have an iPhone, and it's great for mobile web browsing, but reading anything on that screen for longer than an hour or so your hands get cramped just from trying to hold it. The Kindle was designed to be held like a book. When we hold books, we shift the posture of our hands every time we turn a page, or shift from the left page to the right page. Why? Because hands aren't designed to be held crunched up in one position for hours on end. They need to move. Small screens like the iPhone weren't designed for the needs of book readers.

        I feel the need to point out that there's a lot of FUD in the original article as well. I think the Forbes editors might have some AAPL stock perhaps?

        From TFA:

        There are also big questions about the device's wireless connection. The device will tap into fresh content via an EV-DO (Evolution-Data Only) wireless network. Will there be a monthly subscription fee?
        No, they already said there was no monthly fee for wireless access.

        How much of the Web will users be able to surf? Newsweek's Levy was able to download a copy of Charles Dickens' Bleak House from Amazon for $1.99, but anyone with full Web access can get the same title from Google (nasdaq: GOOG - news - people ) Book Search for free.
        Actually, you can download eBooks in text or mobi format for free from the Kindle, so anything on Google book search should be free for the taking. Also, even though you have to subscribe to blogs if you want digital delivery of the content for offline reading, you can still browse to any blog or website and read it right from your Kindle. The only disadvantage: You have to use the next/previous page buttons to scroll up and down the web page. It's a limitation of the e-Ink technology, because you obviously can't smoothly scroll a page with a scroll bar that requires 1 second to update it's screen.

        There is a lot of FUD out there about the Kindle, but I think it's going to be pretty amazing. Can you imagine having every O'Reilly book ever made on the thing, and the ability to do full text search/grep capability through your entire library of technical books? That alone is a killer app.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Kindle doesn't have a big enough screen. I believe that for these devices to really take off, they need to be large enough to display technical references/textbooks correctly. Then, they will explode. It's not the casual entertainment reader they should be targeting. It's the people who have to haul lots of massive books around everywhere as references.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Agreed. If for no other reason than my real book is mine. No copyright issues, no DRM (if it comes to that), no subscription costs, etc. I have a print copy of my book, and I can write in it, spill coffee on it, and do whatever the hell else I want with it (short of photocopy and sell it).
  • by moderatorrater (1095745) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:50PM (#21423007)
    I'll wait a long time to get the kindle. I've always found a paper book to be more convenient than anything online. The kindle is, apparently, quite light and very easy to read, which fixes a couple of the problems. But can you lend a book to a friend or just give it away? What about take it to the toilet and not have to worry? What about a low replacement cost? It looks like they have the price per book to a reasonable level, but everything about paper books is perfect for me. The kindle would have to be amazing to supplant my current library, and the same goes for the iPhone.
    • No you can't give digital copies away, well you can but then are are comitting a crime. But you can get over 12.000 book titles for free [pgpdp.net]. Paper books are great, but I love having information at my reach, just being able to call up any book very fast would be a great thing.
    • Um small nitpick, if you drop your paperback book or your ebook into a filled toilet your screwed either way.

      I do understand the your point the price is way to expensive, and they generally have problems with various formats. For $400 I expect touch screen, and possibly black and white web surfing.

      The advantage though is that with e-ink the display is absolutely easy on the eyes to read. If Sony would only support more than just Windows I would break down and grab one.
  • by kevmatic (1133523) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:51PM (#21423015)
    If you forget the price difference, the monthly fee the iPhone requires, the shorter battery life of the iPhone (how long can it last if the display is lit nonstop?)...

    Not to mention that the iPhone display is smaller and lower resolution.
    And that Amazon already has a lot of pull with book publishers.
    I'd buy a Kindle if I knew I could get all my college books on it.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      If you forget the price difference, the monthly fee the iPhone requires, the shorter battery life of the iPhone (how long can it last if the display is lit nonstop?)...

      If you also forget that the Kindle will have similar monthly access fees ($1.99/mo for RSS or more for books which would then have no printing fees and almost no distribution fees) and it looks like something from 1989. Not only that but what else does it do? Not much compared to any mobile device out there.

      I'll stick with reading Foo on my
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        hmmm? Only as long as you read blogs on it. For books, the fee is simply included in the price, as for newspapers.
        • You guys are an optometrists wet dream. Reading text for long periods on a 3" screen is dumb. Reading a book is is no way comparable to reading text messages. Just because you can deal with it at short sprints does not mean you'll be able to do it for long periods without serious eye problems.

          You know, I've been reading Dune -- a copy printed in 1997 that I picked up at a used book store. It looked brand-new and had no creases in the spine. I would assume it had never been read. I started reading it (I r
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Err, common misconception. You can get eyestrain from doing so, sure, but this will not degenerate your eyes. Much as "sitting too close to the TV" is also a myth. I spend upwards of a dozen hours a day in front of an LCD, and other times doing wedding photography, and I've had 20/12 vision for 15+ years.
    • by King_TJ (85913) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:21PM (#21423485) Homepage Journal
      I don't think this is nearly the issue you're making it out to be. The iPod touch could offer e-book reading capabilities just like the iPhone, and you need no monthly contract for it. The books could be purchased (or free ones offered online for download) from iTunes on a PC or Mac, and sync'd into the memory of the iPod touch or iPhone to read later - regardless of connectivity during the time you're viewing the book.

      Battery life becomes sort of a non-issue too when you think about it practically. Who is going to read a Kindle for anywhere near the 30 hours of promised battery life, non-stop? If you just recharge your device each night before going to bed, either Kindle or iPod touch/iPhone will get you through hours of reading during the day with no problem.

      The Apple alternatives win out in size/portability too. Sure, the screen is smaller - but it's bright and easily readable. I have the iPhone (currently hacked with 3rd. party apps), and I've already read a book on it using a free e-reader application on it. It's quite usable, and nice because it's always with me. (I'm already going to carry my cellphone all day long, on my belt-clip, so I don't miss calls. It's nice to be able to grab it and read a few pages of a book I'm working on reading whenever I get a few free minutes here and there. I doubt I'd be lugging a book-sized, $400 Kindle with me everywhere I went too, just to accomplish the same thing.)

      I do agree the Kindle could find a great niche market in colleges/universities. It'd sure beat a book-bag full of textbooks. But how durable is it going to be? Can you trust it to work reliably and not develop stuck buttons, a cracked screen, etc. etc. ?
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        my question is exactly what formats does it read.. it has an SD slot to expand storage - but can i just copy over my existing eBooks or stuff from random projectes to the sd card and read it that way?

        while i find the instant download from amazon very very very nice - and i would love to buy and use one and to support this - i do NOT want to have to rebuy my current 300+ book lib to be able to read them on this thing.

        also the price is understandable but..

        100 = i would already own one
        200 = i would have grumb
    • by mypalmike (454265) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:24PM (#21423519) Homepage
      I'd buy a Kindle if I knew I could get all my college books on it.

      When some big company figures out that college textbooks are going to be the first big market for ebooks, I'm going to invest in them.
            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              Oh. I misread your post, so at the risk of repeating myself, let me clarify a little:

              They don't charge more for books via Kindle than on paper. The $9.99 is for expensive books (just-released, hardcover-only, bestsellers, etc); cheaper books are... well, cheaper.

              Not that $9.99 is the absolute price ceiling (I did a bit of spot-checking and technical books were significantly more expensive, though still below the price of hardcopy). Frankly, I'd be happier if I could get technical books for the Kindle via so
  • by CRCulver (715279) <crculver@christopherculver.com> on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:51PM (#21423021) Homepage
    Because that's the point of Kindle, isn't it? It is an electronic device that feels similar to a real book and let's you concentrate on the reading. It doesn't have a shiny screen and it won't distract you with calls.
    • by timster (32400) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:56PM (#21423085)
      Except that Amazon gave in to creeping featurism before they had even managed to establish their market in the first place. So rather than a simple "device that feels similar to a real book and lets you concentrate on the reading", we have a monstrosity with dozens of buttons and wireless connectivity... much unlike a real book.

      Whoops.
  • by Bearpaw (13080) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:52PM (#21423025)
    ... when it's possible for me to sell, swap, borrow, and/or loan them.

    It seems like none of the people who design ebook systems have ever been in a used book store or a library, or have ever lent a favorite book to a friend.
    • by nuzak (959558) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:54PM (#21423061) Journal
      It seems like none of the people who design ebook systems have ever been in a used book store or a library, or have ever lent a favorite book to a friend.

      Sure they have. And their first thought about it was "this must be stopped".

      I didn't think RMS's "Right to Read" was actually being interpreted as a business plan.

  • Are you kidding me? (Score:4, Informative)

    by supabeast! (84658) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:57PM (#21423087)
    Clearly the author of that Forbes article hasn't tried reading too many of the books on Google books. While there are some really nicely formatted ebooks on there, most of the collection consists of horrendous scans of esoterica only useful to researchers with a tolerance for photographs that may be blurry, noisy, or shot at funny angles.
  • by Bombula (670389) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:57PM (#21423091)
    I'm trying to imagine less enjoyable way to read a book than on an electronic screen the size of a post-it, but I'm not having much luck. Maybe the audio version by Fran Drescher?
  • by juuri (7678) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:57PM (#21423093) Homepage
    ... consumer.

    On Amazon's side I get it. Locked in customers, paying a premium for a device they are already eating the entire hardware cost on. The Kindle is a pure Nintendo play (which is great for a business). Profit on hardware, profit on software, even profit on content the user already owns.

    On the consumer side though, what is the compelling sell through? E-Ink? Perhaps except the Libre has grown up and is now in generation three on US/Japanese shores and Sony actually finally learned from their mistakes and made putting user generated/owned content on the device an easy process. The Kindle doesn't even compare well with the more expensive offerings as they are all colour and offer full PDF viewing.

    How did this thing get to market? The hardware is silly it is so outdated with regards to style. The software is crippled from the go. Believe it or not heavy users of books *are* price conscious. They will not appreciate being taken for a ride. This whole package reads like some silly dot.com plan and given that Amazon says they have spent three years on it, shows how much they just don't get it. This thing has sat insulated inside Amazon as some hidden away project without regards to the changing market. The Kindle would have been *great* three years okay... questionable at this time last year, but now? Hubris.

    I do look forward to picking one up next year though for $80 with some reverse engineered software though.

    • This may sound kind of dumb, but here goes.

      ebook readers are literally hardware. they are made with a tough plastic case, and an unbendable plastic screen that smudges easily. these materials conduct heat away from your hands quickly. some have pointy styluses.

      this is not something that you want near you when taking a bath, reading in bed, or cuddled up on the sofa.

      contrast that with a book, even a hardcover: the pages are soft and bendable. you can write on them, if you want. the cover materials are m
          • I beg to differ. There were numerous easy to use tools available for ripping CDs long before iTunes.

            I know people who installed iTunes solely for the purpose of ripping their CD collection, because that process was too hard with the software that came with their mp3 player. Heck, two people came over to my place to rip their collection on my mac, because they could not figure out how on their own system. "Easy to use" is relative, and I'm not sure you're considering it as it applies to the general populace instead of geeks.

            It was the full integration from top to bottom with purchasing albums that put it over the top.

            It was the full experience, but not so much for purchasing. Last time I saw a

  • Amazon are fools (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 20 2007, @12:57PM (#21423101)
    They're incredibly out of touch with reality if they think people are going to pay $399 for a book reader, in addition to paid content/subscription. They might have small chance of success if they offered the device for $99. At the current price, it's nothing more than a curiosity a la AIBO/Segway.
  • Apple actually had Kindle's market sector covered way back in 1993. The Newton had pretty much the same form factor, and with applications like Paperback [thefedors.com] it was an excellent book viewer in it's time.
  • The E-Ink Fallacy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Eloquence (144160) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:00PM (#21423141) Homepage
    The theory of e-ink is that you want something that lasts for endless hours so that you don't have to recharge it. In return, you'll be willing to accept page turning delays, type lagging, strange user interfaces, no backlighting, and a monochrome display.

    I think that's a fallacy, because we are already used to carrying one or two devices around with us that we have to recharge: a small mobile device and a larger laptop-sized device. In both cases, the trends are clear: people want longer battery life and screens that work under sunlight. The market will satisfy these trends. And these devices won't be limited by DRM or strange wireless plans. The iPhone or N800 form factor does indeed support eBook like reading. And, as noted, since we use these devices constantly, we're used to making sure that they are charged.

    That is not to say that there won't be a niche for e-ink devices, but I am very doubtful that the Kindle can kindle much anything. It's an interesting gadget, and at $150 or so it might have a sizable market -- but not at $400.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      (PS: To be fair, though, there'd be one reason for a guy like me to get a Kindle: flat fee access to Wikipedia from anywhere where there's EVDO. Then again, an offline wiki reader that can auto-update when you have a net connection would do just as well.)
  • one with a touch interface and the ability to play movies and music, too. Guess what other, cheaper product has that same ability: yes, the iPod Touch, for (by the time Kindle comes out) probably hundreds less. For me, and from what I've read others agree, the two-finger touch on Safari is the most compelling feature of the iPhone. I don't need its phone capabilities, I just want a web browser with wifi that navigates easily, and that's the iPod Touch, isn't it?
  • by El Cabri (13930) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:19PM (#21423451) Journal
    For me, the price of a book is essentially $4. This is $3.99 shipping plus the symbolic $.01 that most used-book dealers charge as the nominal price for used books sold on Amazon (hardcover or paperback, the same). Dealers get their profit from the difference between the shipping compensation that they get on the sale from Amazon and the actual cost of shipping the book. There are more expensive books on Amazon marketplace of course (textbook, non-obsolete computer books, ...), but these aren't going to be available from $10 on Kindle are they ? If books on Kindle were $5 for novels and about $15 for "useful" titles, that would seem more fair to me, given that the publisher does away with printing, logistics and the possibility that the book will be read by more than one person (in a library, borrowed by a friend or re-sold as a used book).

    This, or the device should be at an aggressively subsidized price, made up from sales of content.

    I like the device, and love the business model independently of the price point though.
  • by aldheorte (162967) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:46PM (#21423951)
    Nokia N810 [nokiausa.com] The iPhone putatively requires carrier contract, has lower resolution, and isn't a full blown browser, but the N810 is. Plus the N810 is Linux and open. Whether it is Project Gutenberg, Google Books, or whatever, the N810 is perfectly positioned as a book reader and oh-by-they-way a fully functioning computer as well. No affiliation with Nokia, just been following the latest in this area.
  • by toybuilder (161045) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:46PM (#21423957)
    My wife and I recently had a new baby, born preemie, and we ended up spending LOTS of time in the hospital. It was driving my wife crazy to not have things to read while staying with the baby. She bought an iPhone so that she could browse the web. A little while later, I bought a Sony Reader (PRS-505, the one that came out only about a month ago) which is like the Kindle in terms of how you would use it while reading.

    After a week, my wife "stole" my Sony Reader, and uses it much more than the iPhone. It's much easier to read a full page of text on the 6" screen with the higher resolution. And, it's easier to use one-handed, because there are dedicated buttons to flip through pages.

    Reading a website on the iPhone reminds me of the bad early days of HTML when people would put large pages inside a scrollable frame, and you were 'looking through a port hole' to see the entire page.

    The other nice thing is that she could read continuously for eight hours. The iPhone, with its backlight, can't do that.
  • by Wonderkid (541329) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @05:10PM (#21427515) Homepage
    ...several years ago, there was a credible media report that Apple were/are buying up the rights to a large number of books. Further, the multitouch interface used by the iPhone and iPod Touch would lend itself perfectly to an 'eBook'. No need to use external buttons like the Kindle, simply drag your fingers across the screen to turn the page, or pinch your fingers to zoom in. Not to mention using iTunes to make a purchase and download it. Oh, and most importantly, it won't be the iPhone that allows all this, but an all new device under development by Apple. Where's the iBook laptop? No where. But the trademark still exists. Go figure...
    • Where do you get the idea that it is "almost entirely proprietary"? If you look at the technical details section, it says it supports "TXT, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), MP3, natively; HTML, DOC, JPEG, GIF, PNG, BMP, MOBI, PRC through conversion".
    • Re:Goog (Score:5, Insightful)

      by PocketPick (798123) on Tuesday November 20 2007, @01:55PM (#21424133)
      Come on, the iPhone & Google Books competing with an e-Book reader? I own an iPhone and love it, but it's the proposed situation is only possible if you overlook:
        - A 3 inch screen that involves constant movement to see more than one paragraph at "text book" level font sizes
        - A slow EDGE connection (at least an e-Book can cache the entire thing easily).
        - Lousy bookmark system.
        - Poor back & forth or history functionality.

      The iPhone MAY one day compete with these other technologies, but to insist right now that it's everything and a bag of chips is just plain naive.
      • Re:Goog (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Achromatic1978 (916097) <robert@@@pennyonthesidewalk...com> on Tuesday November 20 2007, @02:48PM (#21425141)
        And don't even start me on this minor detail: that most of the defenders of Google Book Search have been all about "how you can't get the fulltext - you can search it, but not read an entire book" as their defence to the wholesale copyright games Google played with this.

        You think if Apple and Google decided to make this available as a feature with GBS that the publishers wouldn't be screaming blue murder (and, in my opinion, rightly so)?

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          When I hear a suggestion which seems totally ridiculous, I try to reexamine it to see if there may be a more likely interpretation. The idea that Google would start to distribute entire copyright works, on a large scale, for profit and without a license is utterly ridiculous.

          I think the point was that it wouldn't take much for Google to start an e-book selling service because they already have most of the data in a suitable format, not that they would consider selling e-books in violation of copyright.

      • Re:Goog (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Sparks23 (412116) * on Tuesday November 20 2007, @03:03PM (#21425455)
        Agreed. The iPhone is a great phone (and general information-finding device), but peering at it for long periods of time on that tiny screen? No good, not for book-reading. This isn't to say that an iPhone-like solution might not be a really amazing reader... but the iPhone and the Kindle are trying to solve very different problems.

        And as much as 'all-in-one' devices can be nice, sometimes you just make 'all' features suffer by cramming them into 'one' device. I think this is one of those cases; an eBook reader is meant to replace a book, which means it has different requirements (in terms of readability, power-use and form-factor). Trying to cram the functionality into other devices means the functionality suffers.
        • Just as counter-point, for years I read books, including most of the Baen library, on a HP iPaq PDA in true uber-geek fashion. I think I had maybe a hundred titles on a device I could slip into a jacket pocket. The screen, while not great, was eminently readable due to the backlighting, high contrast, and Microsoft Reader's sub-pixel LCD addressing.

          All-in-all, it was just a little paperback on which you turned pages a bit more often.

          Move into the future, and we have the iPhone, with a screen resolution that
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        1) The iPhone screen isn't that much smaller than a paperback page. Not so great for textbooks, but pretty good for novels. It's bigger than the Sony Clie I used to read lots of ebooks on.
        2) The idea is that you'll sync through iTunes, via USB. The iPhone has quite a bit of storage space, way more than you need for an ebook.
        3) Software. There would be a new app for e-books.
        4) Ditto.

        Nobody is saying that the iPhone, exactly as it is now, is a great ebook. But the hardware is pretty good and Apple could
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Who needs a paper backup when you can always re-download if something happens? (Isn't the absence of paper rather the whole *point*?)

        Yeah, that worked really well in the past [bbc.co.uk]. I don't really expect that Kindle is going to work out, so I have to wonder if the Kindle store will continue. At least with Kindle, you can store your purchases externally, and there's no indication that the device checks in with Amazon before it lets you read, but the "delete any time, since you can just re-download" line is asking for trouble if they ever stop supporting the service.

        Orson Scott Card (which is my current reading material).

        Man, if it was a bit cheaper, and the Ender saga was on there, I might buy o

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