Apple, the RIAA, and Ringtones 218
pilsner.urquell writes "Apple's interest in defending the rights of the consumer has cost them a lot of grief in the ringtone market. 'John Gruber of the Daring Fireball cites Engadget, which reported that the RIAA wanted to be able to distribute ringtones of its artists without having to pay them big money to do so. It won a decision last year before the Copyright Office saying that ringtones weren't derivative works, meaning they didn't infringe on the copyright of the songwriter.' The piece goes on to explain the tense relationship between Apple content holders regarding ringtones and other pieces of IP, such as in the recent withdrawal of NBC."
Re:I never knew copyright law was THIS broken (Score:4, Informative)
Re:So, it's free? (Score:5, Informative)
Though it doesn't get any less fucked up by this explaination.
Re:Weird, that (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I never knew copyright law was THIS broken (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Wait, they own what? (Score:3, Informative)
From TFA:
"what the RIAA actually won in the case
All this seems to say is that the RIAA can prevent you from creating ringtones and can create them without paying the artists.
Every claim they ever made about being there to protect the rights and the income of the artist has just been blown out of the window.
Re:Entertainment Cartels Want it All (Score:3, Informative)
nice job Slashdot (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I never knew copyright law was THIS broken (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I never knew copyright law was THIS broken (Score:5, Informative)
If you don't want to do that, you can even email the ringtones to your phone (your 10 digit number @vzwpix.com), although MP3s will be converted to QCP in the process and lose some quality, and you'll be charged 25c for the message unless you have a picture messaging plan.
Re:I never knew copyright law was THIS broken (Score:5, Informative)
Another great article and consumer's rights (Score:5, Informative)
source: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/03/07/050307crmu_music [newyorker.com]
By the way, this is one of the best articles on ringtones, covering the technical advances from monophonic MIDI to compressed audio, and the impact on the aesthetics of ringtones. I teach a class on music technology, and the first assignment is to have students compose and create their own ringtone (not by ripping from a CD, actually creating their own). I use the New Yorker article to get everyone up to speed on how big ringtones are in the world today.
Re:Mod parent funny (Score:2, Informative)
"Defending the rights of the consumer"? Apple??? (Score:1, Informative)
You're talking about the same Apple that happens to be the world's largest seller of DRM-infected music, right?
Re:I never knew copyright law was THIS broken (Score:3, Informative)
Do this, Apple, and there is no basis for charging for a ringtone, no need to negotiate rights to a ringtone, or anything else. Because it isn't a ringtone. It is the original song you have already obtained rights to play as you like. Yes, there will be a lawsuit. But that's how you defend it.
Wrong (Score:5, Informative)
Copyright and Ringtones (Score:3, Informative)
Second, the ruling on ringtones not being a derived work: it probably means that the ringtone is just another mechanical copy of the song, for which the record labels would have to pay whatever fee they've already negotiated with the artist in their current contracts, instead of being a derived work of a different sort which would require new negotiations with each artist.
I know that's not what the article says, and I haven't researched it. But it's what makes sense. (Yeah, yeah, since when does making sense have anything to do with copyright law?)
Third, if you have a song on your phone and a ringtone, the ringtone is kept in a separate file. It is a copy of the song, subject to copyright laws (because you've made a copy). This is necessary because the ring mechanisms in the phone always play the whole file, from the begining.
What we need instead is phone ringers that will use an existing, full length song file, but start playing at an offset into the file, and only play part of the file. Then you only need one file on the phone, and the whole question of paying twice is moot.
Re:Weird, that (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Also largest non-DRM (Score:4, Informative)