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Apple Businesses IT

Hi, I'm a Mac, and I'm Your Enterprise Computer 469

Esther Schindler writes "Not just another 'why big companies should adopt Macs' article, CIO is running a piece assuming that Macs are already on the way in the door. Hi, I'm a Mac, and I'm Your Enterprise Computer offers advice to IT managers about how to integrate Apple systems into the existing IT infrastructure, and offers hints from leading Mac OS X experts on configuring those systems once they've arrived. '[A] key element in corporate Macintosh adoption is the importance of third-party software and custom solutions. They can help smooth the way for integrating Macs onto the network. While specialists say they wish third-party support were greater, the openness of the Mac makes correcting issues possible. Don't discount the lure of the well-worn path that draws and then traps your IT staff into familiar habits.'"
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  • by __aaclcg7560 ( 824291 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @02:34PM (#18888571)
    At the company I'm working for, Macs are getting attention at the Vice President level where they're configured to run Windows XP in a Parallels virtual windows machine to run those must have Windows applications. Since I'm the only Mac owner on a PC-centric IT staff, I got a bit of job security as a Mac guru. I keep telling people that a Mac is PC with a better OS. :)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 26, 2007 @02:42PM (#18888759)
    The previous consulting company I worked for had the same upside down approach. Management wanted to switch to Mac, at least for themselves. They did very swiftly and soon the Macs started to trickle down to other levels.
     
    I must say, the daily cursing and swearing at computer screens went down significantly...
  • Re:Odd... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by 644bd346996 ( 1012333 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @02:54PM (#18888953)
    I think their statistics can be explained by PC users having much lower expectations. At my university, the helpdesk people have intel iMacs running OS X and XP under parallels. I have never seen them using OS X while helping somebody. All the support calls are for windows.
  • by DurendalMac ( 736637 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @03:03PM (#18889141)
    Wrong. There was an EFI update that added a BIOS compatibility layer. I've installed Windows on Intel Macs right out of the box, no Boot Camp required. Boot Camp is just Apple's way of making it easy on people. It's the EFI update that made it possible.
  • by Joe The Dragon ( 967727 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @03:04PM (#18889151)
    Enterprise Computer systems need to be easy to open up and the mini is not easy to do so and the mac pro cost is too high.
    The I-macs are not easy to open as well and they can not fit in to the same space as desktop + screen on it's own can. It may fit but the side loading cd / dvd may be hard to use then also Built-in iSight camera can be big NO NO some places.
  • support for mac (Score:2, Interesting)

    by fermion ( 181285 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @03:12PM (#18889295) Homepage Journal
    Although i am a mac user, I often wonder why a company would intentionally want to introduce a Mac into the enterprise. The MS PC can be a relative inexpensive, interchangeable cog for the worker bees. It is a tool, and for the most part one supplies the cheapest tool that will do the job. For some applications that is the Mac, and for others it is Unix, but for many applications it is a PC. In most cases, a firm will not shell out for Snap-On or Rigid hand tools for every worker bee.

    What I find frustrating is that in many cases a Mac cannot be used, and there is really no legitimate reason. To continue the above analogy, while their may not be Snap-On tools for all, certain persons might use such tools, and some persons might wish to buy such tools. There is nothing that says "only Stanley tools can be used in this shop". And I am not talking about application or support issues. Those have been dealt with for a very long time through end user experience and emulation. What I am talking about are decisions made to reduce short term costs that prevent long term flexibility. These decisions prevent the use of Macs much more than support or applications issues. In fact the I bet the custom development is most likely due to previous ill fated short term development decisions.

  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Thursday April 26, 2007 @04:00PM (#18890123) Homepage Journal

    I don't think I've met any designer in the past 5 years or so with such an anti-PC attitude.

    The person who we fired a year or so ago, whose job (Graphic Artist) I am now doing in addition to my other jobs (Webmaster, Database Reporting) was PC-phobic to the point where the company bought her a Dual G5 2.0 GHz to do her work on. It is now sitting to the right of me running OSX 10.4 and pissing me off, but that's another story. At least 10.4 fixed the "need-a-refresh-button-because-OSX-is-fucking-reta rded" problem...

    Anyway the point is that she claimed she needed a mac to do her job, but every piece of software she used was available on the PC and the real problem was that she was phobic. She couldn't bend her mind around putting her pinky on the control key instead of the command key or something like that, or maybe she just believed her friends who told her the PC was for games. Now I have to deal with the mac, which is the only mac in the whole damned organization.

    Supporting it isn't very difficult, especially now that there's a ntfs-3g driver for OSX, and now that I've upgraded to 10.4 which means I can use FUSE which in turn means I can use ntfs-3g.

  • by Freggy ( 825249 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @04:07PM (#18890235)
    I have some experience with Mac OS X in a mixed enterprise environment, consisting of Linux servers and Linux and Windows desktops. Linux desktops use NFS and NIS, while Windows machines are using a Samba domain controller on the Linux servers. So far so good. Till the moment we got some Mac OS X desktops. Mac OS X is Unix, so using NFS and NIS should be easy, right? Wrong! First, Mac OS X has really crippled the Unix back-end: there's no more fstab file, no more init scripts we *nix users are used too,... To integrate Mac OS X in NIS, there's a graphical interface. But: it does not really work! Most of the time, network accounts simply won't be available when the login screen appears, if you configure it like that. Using the configuration files, already works a bit better, but even then it often does not work. Workarounds mentioned in a Mac OS X and NIS HOWTO [bresink.com], consist of adding ugly sleeps and killall -HUP lookupd commands in some scripts. We found out, things work most reliable, if you force lookupd to use at maximum 1 thread. It seems like lookupd is full of race conditions :-/ And even now, sometimes machines hang on a blue screen when shutting down Mac OS X. And when a user gets over quota, his whole session hangs with a "spinning beachball of death".

    On the above mentioned web page, the conclusion is:
    "we officially withdraw the statement that NIS features are compatible with current versions of 10.4."

    I cannot agree more. Mac OS X is certainly not enterprise ready to be integrated in mixed environments.
  • by techmuse ( 160085 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @04:16PM (#18890385)
    Genentech is almost entirely Mac, and is the largest biotech company in the world. Market cap: $85.34 billion
  • Re:Odd... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by frdmfghtr ( 603968 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @04:20PM (#18890463)

    "The Macs require a greater density of field associates. Where we have 1-to-150 PC techs to users, we're somewhere down to 1-to-100 for Macs. I think that's due partly to the technology and partly due to the users. The creatives are more demanding and you have to be more responding, because those are the people that clearly create our revenue," says Anschuetz.

    That's the direct opposite of my experience (More like one Mac guy for 700-800 Macs, one PC guy for about 100-150 PCs), but I suppose a university environment is a bit different from a creative environment (at least outside the art/music/etc departments).

    Here's a thought that popped into my head...maybe the ratios are a bit off due to the low volume of Macs in the installed base?

    Here's why I say that: Say you have two PC techs and two Mac techs. Your installed user base is 200 PCs and 100 Macs. The ratios of techs to computers are 1:100 and 1:50, PC and Mac respectively.

    In the surface, you have twice as many Mac techs as PC techs for a given user base. Does this mean you have to provide twice the support for the Macs? No. You need two techs as a minimum because there will be times where one is sick, on vacation, etc. You could double, or maybe even triple the installed base, but not need to get more techs, because the workload is still within the capability of your current tech support.

    I guess the point I'm making is that you need to have a minimum amount of support regardless of your user base. A realistic comparison can only be made when you have an equal number of PCs and Macs in the user base, or enough of an installed user base to require more than the minimum amount of support personnel.

    After all, if the ratio of users to techs turns out mathematically to be 100:1, and you have 46 users, it's hard to hire half a person (unless you contract out for on-call support, but that's getting beyond the scope of my comment.)

    Maybe the article points this out and I should read it, but that's the thought that comes to mind.
  • Re:Higher TCO? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by stacey7165 ( 1081097 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @04:33PM (#18890625)
    At Hyperic, 75% of us run Macs, and of that - maybe 20% of us have had serious problems with them. Mostly because some of us got the MacBooks with the lovely intel processors... our community guy stripped OS/X for Ubuntu, and I have to run parallels and can't have it run at all reliably with anything less then 2 gigs of memory. We've both had crashes where we lost all our data within the first 3 months of having them. Couple others have had the dreaded fan problem - where it stops working and fries the hard drive. I love my Mac, but its unstable with lower memory and the new Intel chip that NOTHING really runs on yet. Sales and support uses PCs and they've had no problems. That said, the folks that have them are the heaviest, most demanding users in the company. So its expected we have more problems.

    I gotta say though... we love our Macs here, despite the problems...the genius bar folks are great and help get things resolved very quickly...and they are definitely doing something right given Apple's revenues!

    -Stacey http://www.hyperic.com/ [hyperic.com]
  • by Gilmoure ( 18428 ) on Thursday April 26, 2007 @05:34PM (#18891639) Journal
    It would also let me view an entire lab's computers and see which students are taking notes and which were goofing off. Man, the things some students IM about (usually involved being drunk the night before and who they did). The professors loved it when I set that up on the lectern Mac. After awhile, they must have thought the profs were psychic.
  • Yes, to completely clone the image, you'd have to either be booted from a CD, an install of OS X on another external drive, or a network volume. An external drive with an install of OS X on it is a damned handy troubleshooting tool.

    There is another alternative... if the replacement machine is running OS X 10.4 and already has a standard system build or anything on it, you can run Migration Assistant on it with the broken machine connected in target mode. If you're not familiar with Migration Assistant, it's sort of like Files and Settings Transfer Wizard on XP, but much better. It will pull over non-Apple applications and all user data, nearly seamlessly. I use it all the time when I roll out replacement machines to people, and it has made my life much easier. The only issues I see are occasionally some applications that require activation will need to be reactivated on the replacement machine. You can find Migration Assistant in /Applications/Utilities.

    ~Philly
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 26, 2007 @06:52PM (#18892647)
    This is simply untrue. Try 40% Mac. The number's about to go up some, but Mac hardware that runs XP most of the time doesn't really count. I'm a vendor, and it's not worth my job to correct you, so this is anonymous.
  • by Iaughter ( 723964 ) on Friday April 27, 2007 @01:50AM (#18896671) Homepage
    Hey Steve,

    I'm not quite up on the Windows stuff, but I believe that roaming profiles are just network mounted home directories, appropriate metadata and central authentication.

    On the other hand Apple's portable home directories are designed for laptops, a sometimes connected model. When a user connects their computer to your network, the user's home directory (or the parts of it that are pre-selected) automatically syncs with a copy of their home directory on the server.

    I'm not sure what your managed mac environment currently looks like. At the least you'll need some form of network home directories, over samba/MS's SMB/CIFS or NFS. If you've got an existing AD environment that could work. If these laptops never come onto your network, then it's unreasonable to provide backups and you should totally tell your users that. :)

    See the "User Management for Portable Computers" section of this document:
    http://images.apple.com/server/pdfs/User_Managemen t_Admin_v10.4B.pdf [apple.com]

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