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Apple Delays Leopard to October 545

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SuperMog2002 writes "Apple Insider has the sad news that Mac OS X Leopard has been delayed until October. Apparantly software engineers and QA had to be reassigned to the iPhone in order to get it out on time, costing Leopard its release at WWDC. For now the original press release from Apple can be found on the 'Hot News' part of their site, though Apple did not provide a permanent link to the story. 'While Leopard's features will be complete by June, the Cupertino-based company said it cannot deliver the quality release expected by its customers within that time. Apple now plans to show its developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship the software in October.'"
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Apple Delays Leopard to October

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  • October? (Score:5, Funny)

    by WrongSizeGlass (838941) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @05:54PM (#18710493)
    I guess I'll be dressing up as a Leopard for Halloween this year. I sure hop Flanders it's handing out toothbrushes again.


    warning: The above content may test positive for sarcasm and/or could be a failed attempt at humor and as such should be taken with a pound of salt.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Yep. Two and a half years after Tiger was released. Anyone remember when Apple was putting out a major release every year?

      Personally, I wouldn't give up one millisecond of developer time from Leopard to iPhone, but that's because I preferred Apple when it was a computer company, not a "consumer electronic lifestyle" company.
      • Re:October? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Sam Ritchie (842532) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @07:22PM (#18711817) Homepage

        I remember when people were complaining about Apple putting out a full-priced major release every year.

        I probably would have made the same call. Leopard will be a good product - a competent, incremental improvement on an existing product - but it won't open up any vast new revenue streams like the iPhone (hopefully) will.

      • Re:October? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by McFadden (809368) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @09:44PM (#18713343)

        I preferred Apple when it was a computer company
        You and me both. It's one thing to announce a delay in the OS (shit happens) but to then go on to state that the reason is because developers have been shifted to the iPhone, is nothing more than a big "Fuck You!" to pretty much every one of their loyal customer base that supported them through leaner times and stayed faithful to the Macintosh.

        I can't blame Apple for going down this road, because clearly they're hoping for another iPod style success. But, it's a crying shame, that just when they're perfectly positioned to take customer share away from Microsoft's crumbling OS empire, they turn their attention elsewhere. (And I'm no MS hater).
        • Re:October? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by hcdejong (561314) <hobbes&xmsnet,nl> on Friday April 13, 2007 @02:31AM (#18715211)
          Oh please. You're making it sound as if Tiger will stop working on 1-May-07 and you'll be without a computer for 4 months. Tiger's still a perfectly serviceable OS. Get some perspective.

          They've released 10.1-10.4 on time, and pulled off the Intel transition months ahead of schedule.

          And let's be honest, it's not as if Tiger doesn't stack up favorably to Vista, and Apple desperately needs Leopard to convince people to switch.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by byjove (567441)
            My thought was that, since Vista is such a dog, Apple has the luxury of not rushing Leopard. At least, I think that's played a role in their decision. Rather than overtax the developer and delivery and not quite smooth release, they can take a breath, because Vista is no great shakes.
      • Re:October? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by RedBear (207369) <redbear AT redbearnet DOT com> on Friday April 13, 2007 @02:26AM (#18715187) Homepage

        Two and a half years after Tiger was released. Anyone remember when Apple was putting out a major release every year?


        Sure do. I think that was about the same time when users kept complaining about having to buy another Mac OS X upgrade every year, and when the developers were complaining about having to keep up with Apple's breakneck development pace. Right about the same time I seem to recall Apple announcing that they would be slowing the pace of development to give everyone breathing room from here on out. Let's see, yes I do believe that was right around the time Panther came out or shortly thereafter.

        Leopard will have some neat stuff and a little performance boost on 64-bit machines, but I'm pretty sure you won't die from being forced to use Tiger for another couple of months. I (for one) applaud them for making the decision to finish a proper QA cycle on the software that's going to run my computer, rather than pawning off some barely-out-of-beta crap on us at the last minute.

        Call me when Apple sits on their asses for six years straight without bothering to bring out a single innovation, upgraded hardware or major OS release, while simultaneously attempting to foist a subscription licensing model on you that has you paying a yearly fee for the privilege of getting a "free" upgrade to a new product that doesn't materialize for over half a decade. Call me when Apple puts out a major OS release that isn't faster/better/more feature packed than the last one and doesn't continue to add value for owners of older Apple hardware going all the way back to the first iMac with a Firewire port (1999, that's eight years of Mac models that are officially supported by Apple's most current OS right now).

        Anyway, I'd bet that Apple are just giving themselves some breathing room and we'll probably get a surprise announcement about Leopard being already done and available along with some new Mac models, hmmm, just in time for the new school year to start. Wouldn't surprise me one bit either way.

    • by Overly Critical Guy (663429) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:32PM (#18711001)
      Windows fans everywhere, admiring the pretty Macs in the window: "If only our biggest complaint was having to wait two and a half years instead of just two years for a new OS release."
  • Damn (Score:5, Funny)

    by inKubus (199753) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @05:54PM (#18710503) Homepage Journal
    I was just bragging to the office MS pundit that Leopard would be out soon. Then I get Vista'd (tm) by APPLE.

    Vista'd- to be up a creek without a paddle

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by OrangeTide (124937)
      If you're up a creek you should be able to drift down a creek. but if you're down a creek you'd have to paddle to go up stream.

      Shouldn't it be more like:
      going upstream without a paddle?

      I often wondered if these sayings are correct, if they were corrupted somehow or if just the definitions of things changed over time.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by 644bd346996 (1012333)
        You seem to have a very tame definition of "creek." For many of us, a creek is not worth paddling on unless there are deadly rapids. When that is the case, floating down the creek can result in getting caught in formations with a strong resemblance to a front-loading clothes washer. That is an easy way to drown and/or break bones.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by OrangeTide (124937)
          Well I'd call that a torrent or a river. But even a tame creek needs a paddle if you want to go up it.

          Ideally you'd want a paddle either way you go, but at least floating down stream is possible, although somewhat dangerous.

          Also sounds like you've never gone tubing. float on a tube with a cooler floating with you and you don't have to paddle or push yourself off rocks or nothing. just drink beer.

          obviously you pick a flowing body of water that isn't full of whirlpools and torrents crashing against rocks. pre
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Aqua OS X (458522)
      For this to be properly Vista'd Apple would need to delay this one more time... ideally a year or more. Then on that third release date they should release a public beta and use that as an excuse to delay the OS another 6 months. Finally, when it's actually released, it should have a ton of problems and Apple should force it upon everyone by making it a minimum system requirement something arbitrary like a new iPod.
  • by Rosyna (80334) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @05:55PM (#18710519) Homepage
    Saying it was delayed it slightly inaccurate [unsanity.org] since Apple has been saying Spring '07.
  • ...that I hear coming from the direction of Redmond?

    Looks like Vista will have a few more months to get its act together.
    • by bky1701 (979071) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:26PM (#18710935) Homepage

      What's that huge sigh of relief that I hear coming from the direction of Redmond?


      Bill Gates had beans today. Nothing for you to see here, move along.
  • by JimXugle (921609) <{Jim} {at} {xugle.com}> on Thursday April 12, 2007 @05:59PM (#18710567)
    Screw the iPhone... I'd rather have updated Macs and a shiny new OS.

    Less pieces of shit, more big cats!
  • Leopard's delay isn't that big a deal for most of Apple's regular users. Tiger works well enough. There isn't all that much in Leopard that I'm really looking forward to having.

    I can wait comfortably for another quarter if it means that Leopard will be released as a better operating system than was Tiger when it was released initially.

    The bigger concern would seem to me to be the developers who've pegged their next release on feature that are Leopard only. They're going to lose out on four months worth of income. Hopefully the new features in Leopard, especially the under-the-hood suff makes developing so much easier that it's going to be worth it for them.

    In the meantime, I'll download a nightly of webkit (safari is the only real annoyance I have on my Mac) and get on with my work.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:08PM (#18710701)
      Reminds me of when my boss starts yelling at me for missing a deadline and I let them know it's no big deal because what I was working on really sucked...

    • Bugs me (Score:5, Interesting)

      by pavon (30274) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:44PM (#18711245)

      Tiger works well enough. There isn't all that much in Leopard that I'm really looking forward to having.
      See I'm the opposite. I passed on Tiger because it all seemed fairly ho-hum to me. I didn't really care about Spotlight, Dashboard or Automator, and while the new developer API's looked cool, I realized that between school and work I wouldn't have much time to play with them.

      On the otherhand Leopard has had me excited. I have been wanting virtual desktops on OS X since it came out, the the third party implementations have all be lacking, so I am very excited about Spaces. I am also quite interested in Time Machine as I have never seen a backup system easy enough for my parents to use, and have never seen any backup system that makes it as slick and easy to find the correct revision of a backed up documents.

      In addition, several of the apps I use are getting outdated as the developers no longer support Panther (including some Apple ones). And to top it all off, I'd like to get a new machine and was naturally waiting for Leopard to come out so I don't have to pay another $150 dollars in 6 months. So the delay is somewhat of a big deal to me. That said I would much rather have stable software than an early release date. That goes for anyone, not just Apple.
    • Leopard's delay isn't that big a deal for most of Apple's regular users. Tiger works well enough. There isn't all that much in Leopard that I'm really looking forward to having.

      I can wait comfortably for another quarter if it means that Leopard will be released as a better operating system than was Tiger when it was released initially.

      They managed to break a whole range of features with Tiger including Windows networking interoperability which kept me from getting on with my work until I found out what they had done to screw up Samba and how to work around it. Mind you, they did fix a lot of these bugs pretty quickly. I can't say I'm not looking forward to Leopard, the Spaces feature looks interesting and the backup engine may be a mundane feature but it will be very useful. As for Spotlight, it is the one feature of Tiger I thought I w

    • by sootman (158191)
      I'm in the opposite boat. I hate Tiger--no use for Dashboard; can't stand Spotlight--but there are some features in 10.5 that'll make Spotlight's severe shortcomings worth living with and I've been holding off on buying a Mac Pro until 10.5 comes out. I was hoping to get a Mac Pro this summer with 10.5, iLife 07 (?), and better performance/lower cost/both than the current lineup (I'm thinking 2.66 GHz for less than $2000 with my company's discount) but it looks like I'll have to wait a little longer. Just e
  • New Finder... (Score:2, Informative)

    by goodcow (654816)
    They'd better use this delay to implement a new Finder given how absolutely terrible the current one is.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    iPhone delays are just an excuse; the REAL reason is that Apple needs a bit more time to finish implementing their new super-secret killer OS features...

    ... Palladium ! ... UEFI support ! ... Monad ! ...and finally, WinFS !

    Once these features are in place, Vista will pale before Apple's new code-named-Leopard OS, secret-code-named-Longhorn OS! Mwuahahaaaa!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:04PM (#18710651)
    Anyone following news of recent developer builds of Leopard could have predicted that it wasn't near being ready. No sign of the announced "top secret" features, and mile-long bug lists. Good that they're willing to take the PR hit (oops! they jabbed Microsoft about delaying Vista, didn't they?) instead of release a pile of crap in June.

    Interesting that they had to pull engineers off OS X to the iPhone. Most likely, they needed to get the iPhone done in time to meet contractual requirements with Cingular, and there wasn't enough time to hire new staff and train them. It can take months to get even the brightest new hires up to speed and productive, so this is understandable. Especially when training new hires means some of your existing staff is dedicated to that instead of real work. So, in keeping with the dropping of "Computer" from their name, Apple just put the computer stuff on the backburner and took the quick route of using existing, knowledgeable engineers.

    Too bad they didn't do better long range forecasting for staffing needs a year or two ago...

    Wonder what this'll do to Mac sales, as many people were waiting for a Leopard release before buying? Will people still wait 6 more months, or will they buy now? Will they go PC to spite Apple for the delay?
  • by Y-Crate (540566) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:05PM (#18710665)
    This was pretty obvious from as early as Mid-March. We knew there would be "secret features" coming, and none of them have thus far appeared in any of the betas.

    Apple isn't retarded, and it is highly unlikely that they would have dumped them in the laps of developers a matter of weeks prior to the final release. That being said, I will go into nerd rage spasms if they don't fix Finder this time around and spend their efforts doing some stupid .Mac integration or comparable bullshit feature that ignores the rotting elephant in the room.
    • by Blakey Rat (99501) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:23PM (#18710885)
      They've gone, what, 5 releases without fixing (much) in Finder; what makes you think they'll fix it this time around? Wasn't it 10.3 where Apple claimed they were re-writing Finder from scratch, and we ended up with almost the exact same mess of poor usability and terrible bugs we were using before? Hell, I'd be happy if it just didn't utterly freeze for minutes at a time when your network got disconnected-- it's like the Finder programmers never heard of wifi!

      It's sad when the one application that is hard-coded to run on every boot for every user is the worst application Apple makes.
      • by blibbler (15793) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @07:31PM (#18711979)
        I don't want to defend the Finder in 10.4, but the Finder included in 10.0 sucked so much harder than the current version. On a G4, when resizing a "column-view" window, it would only refresh every couple of seconds or so. IIRC, this wasn't fixed until 10.2. There are still large complaints with the Finder (especially the networking one you mentioned) but it is unfair to say there haven't been improvements.
    • by donutello (88309)
      I don't think it's new features as much as quality. Apple has been going months between Leopard seeds and the quality of the seeds has been dismal. Judging by the number of issues I saw in the last seed, I'm not at all surprised that they are slipping the release.
  • by artifex2004 (766107) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:05PM (#18710667) Journal
    I don't see how anyone thought past December or January that it would be ready for June.
    Assuming there really are big new secret features, like Jobs promised, anyway, they would require extensive testing including all kinds of real world testing in developers' systems, new SDKs, etc. Guess what we've seen so far?
  • by davidwr (791652) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:09PM (#18710709) Homepage Journal
    Hi, I'm a Mac.
    And I'm a PC.

    <squeaky kid voice> I'm an iPhone play with me watch this oh I got a boo-boo make it better daddy let's play catch can I have some ice cream can I can I huh huh oh look a kite I wanna kite mommieee!

    Steve Jobs: Damn I forgot how much attention new products need.
  • I wonder.... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by BigCanOfTuna (541234)
    I wonder how much of an influencing factor in Apple's delay was due to the slow market uptake of Vista. Would Apple still have delayed the release if MS was seeing more sales in their new product? I'd like to think Apple is above that, but business is business.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by BlowChunx (168122)
      It works both ways you know. If they thought it was good enough, they would push Leopard out trying to put a stake through the heart of the undead OS named Vista. Market share counts in pushing share price up. Software delays don't.
  • by jhfry (829244) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:15PM (#18710769)
    I am willing to bet that the June developer release, with it's "top secret" new features will give users something to lust over for a few months while Steve Jobs talks it up in the media. Possibly giving users pause over buying their new Vista machine in favor of waiting for a new Mac.

    Have you ever noticed how well this works for movies, and music for that matter? Release a movie/song to a small segment of the market (critics, private screenings, etc) in order to create some buzz... then talk about it for a few months... finally releasing it to the consumer and watch it sell like hotcakes on the day it's released. Then they will use the skewed release figures to further market it, saying it was the fastest selling OS of all time, or some bullshit like that, making everyone think that they need to have it since everyone else is getting it too.

    You will constantly be thinking about how great it will be to finally get your grubby hands on this OS for months... salivating over reviews and screen shots on any number of review sites until finally you see a rack full of it at your local computer store. Where you will buy it up, take it home, and do nothing more than your doing today with your computer, but it will look prettier.

    This all hinges on the idea that Leopard is truly the huge improvement that it's claimed to be... but even if it's not, Apple is a marketing machine and the average user will buy into the hype.

    To summarize, Apple could release in June, and probably release a damn fine piece of software. But they want to make us wait, make us want it more, have it consume us... then we will actually think we are getting something so much better than we have today!
    • by shmlco (594907)
      Going the other way, the only thing that making people wait six months for an iPhone did was raise expectations to a nearly unsupportable level, and give competing phone makers six precious months to work on their software and interfaces.

      And for a different take on preannouncing, go look up on what happened with some guy named Osborne [wikipedia.org].... ;)
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by slashwritr (1009921)

      is merely a hack of Apple's site.
      You do realize what you're saying, don't you? That Apple's site got hacked? Wouldn't that be even more embarrassing than Leopard being delayed?
  • by The Breeze (140484) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:25PM (#18710915) Homepage
    Apple just can't seem to match Microsofts's superior delay history. Microsoft has already astounded the world by an amazing THREE YEAR delay in the original Vista release date and the actual delay; this impressive delay is one of the longest delays for a product that actually eventually made it out of the front door instead of dying...

    And here's Apple, trying to out-do Microsoft, and the best then can do is delay Leopard for three lousy months - and technically speaking, it's not much of a delay since the original release date was "Spring 07".

    I mean, come on, Apple. Surely you can break something in Leopard to force a longer delay. Microsoft wins, hands down. Apple still lags way behind MS on viruses, as well. With my Windows machine, unpatched, I have THOUSANDS of viruses that can infect my machine if I want to. Apple just doesn't give me that ability. Maybe they just don't care.

  • Apple's Shift (Score:4, Insightful)

    by vertigoCiel (1070374) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:25PM (#18710927)
    Apple really meant it when they removed "Computer" from their name. So far, they've released the AppleTV, the corresponding 802.11n base station, and are holding back OS X for the iPhone. The only computer update was the rather delayed 4 Core/Processor Mac Pro. Looks like Apple's focus is now firmly on multimedia and entertainment devices rather than computers
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by timster (32400)
      Why do you refer to the iPhone as a "multimedia and entertainment device"? And most people would agree that a wireless networking product is a "computing" thing.

      Honestly, I think Apple wants to push computing a little more -- give us better computers in our pockets and our living rooms, not just better computers on our desks. Sure, a living room computer will be optimized for living room stuff, like watching shows and movies, and a pocket computer will naturally be very different from a Mac Pro.

      But it's s
  • The new features are pretty cool, but it seems to me it needs many months of testing to get right, expecially time machine. Also, getting it all to work within processor and memory limits looks pretty hard.
  • Either they're using that as an excuse, or they've been huffing the Reality Distortion Field through used crack pipes.

    I mean... sheesh. That'd be like is Microsoft delayed Windows 2000 for Microsoft Bob.
  • by rizzo320 (911761) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:34PM (#18711037)
    As a person who works in higher ed, I hate the fact that lots of new things are announced around the WWDC during the summer. The demand is there from the customers (professors, students), but not enough testing time. I know the world doesn't revolve around higher-ed, but its still a pain.

    With a release date of October, I'll have many months to test and play around with things before rolling it out. And since we only buy computers in the July/August timeframe, I won't be taken by surprise when they come with Leopard pre-installed. Heck, they'll be at 10.5.1 or 10.5.2 by Fall 2008.

    I don't believe they will loose a lot of sales because of this announcement. A lot of students are getting Macs at the back-to-school time of year specifically because of Leopard- they are getting them because of the total package and the "it just works" mentality. That's not going to change despite the delay. And for those who were going to wait, they now have to make the choice continuing until the October release or biting the bullet and getting a new computer before then.

    I'm sure many are cursing up a storm because of this, but at the same time, I bet a lot of support folks like myself are breathing a sigh of relief. Besides, we now know EXACTLY when it will be released (October), not just a general esitmate (like Spring 2007). That's ALOT coming from Apple.
  • by Alaria Phrozen (975601) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @06:38PM (#18711111)

    So I see my OS choices in the next five years as: Windows Vista, Mac's OS X, or some Linux variant.

    I don't really want to do another Windows. As long as the Mac has Blizzard's support with games like WoW, I may actually be able to abandon Windows. I've tried Debian, Red Hat, Fedora, and Ubuntu. Let's just say I'm an idiot and I'm good at breaking X without knowing how to fix it. I've got a stable, backed up Linux virtual machine that I'm very happy with, and I can use that to write papers in TeX and do assignments for my uni courses; but I don't really feel comfortable with performing any kind of minor or even cosmetic surgery on Linux. I'd really like to, but after breaking each distro with minor config changes...

    Anyway! The actual question!

    I read in other articles and on Wiki that Leopard will run on x86 Intel style CPUs, and that this particular version you're actually allowed to run on non-Apple specific hardware. I also read that it wouldn't be running on AMD. That doesn't make sense as I thought deep down the only difference was optimizations, and even AMD gets to have those if it's old enough. MMX, SSE1&2, etc.

    Can someone please clarify this? Will I be able to run Leopard on my OEM self-built AMD 64 3000+ based machine?

  • Apple Inc was renamed in January from Apple Computer Inc to Apple Inc to signal Apple's migration from just a computer company to a digital lifestyle device company.

    The prioritising of getting the iPhone out over getting Leopard to its loyal fan base is not only a slap in the face of Apple's computer users, but I think a mistake on their behalf.

    Reason 1.
    There are a heap of people out there holding off mac purchases until leopard is released. I know my old work (I just left 2 weeks ago) are holding
  • Date (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12, 2007 @07:32PM (#18711985)
    It's obviusly the marketing guys who's delaying it. They just want to release it 10/5.
  • by skingers6894 (816110) on Thursday April 12, 2007 @08:14PM (#18712461)
    I want Leopard, I really do, but honestly Tiger is a great OS and I can live a few months more with it.

    The IPhone however, we need to be great.

    For those of you that think iPods, AppleTVs, and iPhones are supplanting the Mac for Apple, you clearly weren't listening to Jobs from the early days of his return.

    He said that digital lifestyle was the future and the Mac was the centre of that.

    Every time someone buys one of these digital lifestyle devices and find they work better on the Mac, they will consider a Mac for their next computer.

    Back in the 90s Microsoft effectively killed the Mac in enterprise by releasing good Windows Office and bad Mac Office.

    Digital lifestyle is Apple's MS Office.

    Don't sweat it - the Mac stays.
    • You say lies. (Score:3, Informative)

      by solios (53048)
      Mac Office was - and IS - always ahead of the Windows version. Mac Office was - and is - feature-complete and (in my exprience) full compatible with its most recent Mac equivalent. For f*cks SAKE, it was released on the Mac FIRST. Before Windows ever shipped.

      What killed the Mac in enterprise is interoperability. Mac Office only "sucked" in that respect because it followed MacOS developer guidelines - filetype and creator code in the resource fork, no .tla. So even IF a Mac user was smart enough to form
  • by IntergalacticWalrus (720648) on Friday April 13, 2007 @01:15PM (#18721733)
    The next version of OS X is being delayed because of a fucking cellphone. That's only going to be released in the fucking USA.

    And people ask me why I hate cellphones...

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