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The Insanely Great Songs Apple Won't Let You Hear 341

FunkeyMonk writes "Slate.com has an article by Paul Collins explaining that the iTunes music store has thousands of tracks that you can't buy in the U.S. From the article: 'The iTunes Music Store has a secret hiding in plain sight: Log out of your home account in the page's upper-right corner, switch the country setting at the bottom of the page to Japan, and you're dropped down a rabbit hole into a wonderland of great Japanese bands that you've never even heard of. And they're nowhere to be found on iTunes U.S.' The article goes on to mention a few workarounds if you want to purchase foreign tunes. But this brings up a good point — why shouldn't iTunes be the great mythical omniscient music repository where all the world's music is available instantly? Is this simply a marketing decision?"
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The Insanely Great Songs Apple Won't Let You Hear

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  • by KDR_11k ( 778916 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:35AM (#17751350)
    the label that produced the music hasn't licensed Apple to sell it in the U.S. I'm not sure why that would be

    Possibly because the label itself doesn't have rights to distribute the material in the US. There's often different publishers for different regions on the same medium.
  • YMCK! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Apocalypse111 ( 597674 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:42AM (#17751492) Journal
    While they may not be "insanely great", one of the Japanese bands I've found a while ago that I enjoy listening to is YMCK [wikipedia.org]. Its a chiptune band, so it sounds like old Nintendo music combined with vocals. I can't understand the lyrics, or not much of them anyways, but its fun to listen to. Samples are available on their website (linked to in the above wiki article).
  • by retrosteve ( 77918 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:50AM (#17751596) Homepage Journal
    My question is -- if I buy a Japanese CD through iTunes US, will I have to pay an "Import" price on it? Will it cost me 3x as much?

    Can I get the "domestic" price by switching to the iTunes Japan site?

    Are the bits cheaper that way?

    Well, of course not, since everything costs the same on iTunes. But I bet the labels would prefer it this way. This may be why those "import" tunes are just unavailable on the US store instead.
  • by Nogami_Saeko ( 466595 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @11:00AM (#17751756)
    I suppose the bigger question is "why do Japanese labels want people to pirate their music?". Because if you don't offer people a legit way of downloading tracks, then people gravitate to the alternatives.

    Doesn't really bother me much, but makes me curious about their business sense.

    As an aside, Apple/iTunes/publishers also do the same thing with video content that's available to US customers only, and not to people from other geographic regions. The reason? Who knows, but I do know that it's costing them money from people like me that would prefer to purchase it easily rather than using alternatives...
  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @11:08AM (#17751880) Journal

    True, of course, but iTMS really highlights the problem. Back when the way of selling music was to press it to a record (or other physical medium) and sell it in a shop, it made sense to have different distribution deals for different countries. Company A might have access to retail channels in the USA, while company B might have access to retail channels in the UK. Giving either a worldwide licensing deal would be a problem, since neither would be able to exploit it. Giving both a worldwide deal might cause them to step on each other's toes in some areas, which would be bad for business.

    Amazon started to change the rules. They had almost the same store in a large number of countries. You could even get them to ship products to you from their stores in another country using the same account. They were not bound by the distribution contracts, since they were buying from the authorised distributor and selling them elsewhere.

    The movie industry tried to 'fix' this, rather than embracing it, by introducing region codes. Now, the DVD you bought from the USA wouldn't play on your player (although most stand-alone DVD players sold in the UK are now region-free, laptop drives are often not, which is irritating).

    A bigger problem than music and film, however, is TV shows. These are typically broadcast in one country up to a year before they are syndicated elsewhere. There is no option to buy them legally through any channel[1], but you can download them from the Internet within a few hours of their original release. The movie industry woke up to this and started launching things at the same time worldwide, but the music and TV industries are still stuck in the regional distribution model.

    iTMS simply serves to highlight the fact that entire industries are clinging to an obsolete business model. Now that worldwide distribution is a reality, they are still trying to enforce regional supply chains.


    [1] This, to my mind, means that they should not be protected by copyright. If you intentionally exclude a region, then it is not in the best interests of that region to grant you a monopoly on distribution.

  • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @11:08AM (#17751884)
    I think the other reason they don't let people buy tracks from other countries is because the pricing is different. In Canada a song costs $CDN 0.99. However in the US, the tracks cost $US 0.99. So you could buy a track for about $US 0.85 if the Americans were allowed to buy tracks in Canada. I'm not sure what the prices are in the UK. If they are GBP 0.99 then I don't think anybody would be shopping there if they had the ability to go to the Canadian store and buy tracks there.
  • Beyond Music (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rueger ( 210566 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @11:21AM (#17752086) Homepage
    The increasingly insular approach of North American media is something that goes beyond Japanese pop songs.

    In the book business it has become near impossible to convince publishers to translate non-English authors, making access to some of the planet's finest writers nearly impossible.

    Geist magazine [geist.com] out of Vancouver has had a couple of good articles looking at this phenomenon, one by Stephen Henighan [geist.com] in Issue 61, and by acclaimed writer Alberto Manguel in Issue 62.

    Henigan's article opens:

    Over dinner, I asked the Quebecoise writer Sylvie Desrosiers, the author of successful novels for both adults and younger readers, whether her books had been translated into English. "Non, pas en anglais," she said. "I've been translated into Spanish, Greek, Arabic . . ." She listed two or three other languages, then shook her head. "But not into English."

    A few weeks after Desrosiers's visit, I was one of the hosts for the Ontario tour of the Salvadoran writer Horacio Castellanos Moya. The Salvadoran edition of Moya's novel El Asco (1997)--the title is roughly translatable as Revulsion --ran through six printings in a year and earned Moya enough death threats that he moved to Germany. Now in his late forties, Moya is the best-known Salvadoran writer of his generation. His novels come out in Spanish-language editions in San Salvador, Mexico City and Barcelona; in France and Quebec he is considered a significant literary figure (he was a featured guest of the 2005 Salon du Livre in Montreal); his novels are also available in German and Italian. His work has not been translated into English.


    Manguel's article this month puts the blame squarely on the publishing houses who are increasingly market driven to publish lowest common denominator works, rather than building a catalog that stands on literary merit.

    North America lives in a cultural bubble defined by a narrow range of English language music, writing, and film. It would be a great exercise to see how iTunes handles music from Latino and Mexican artists, or in Canada from Quebec musicians.

    I'll wager that both of those groups are also underrepresented despite the considerable popularity of their work.
  • Re:Nothing new... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by butlerdi ( 705651 ) * on Thursday January 25, 2007 @11:44AM (#17752466)
    The reason that the name was changed and an additional song or two added , different artwork whatever, was so that you went out and bought the "import" version as well....
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25, 2007 @12:16PM (#17752984)
    One Very VERY Successful Record (shows the age) Retailer started life as an importer to the UK of obscure US LP's.
    I Remember going to their first(or nearly) shop, over a shoe shop in London's Oxford St.
    Their Name

      Virgin.

    Apple are in a great position to widen the distribution of bands that are unknown outside their home area. This has been done many times before in the Music Biz.
    Radio Caroline played West Coast US track long before the BBC.
    The Old Grey Whistle Test showed bands playing live long before they became mainstream.

    So PLEASE Apple, open up your music catalogues properly to a worldwide Audience. The Artists will appreciate it even if some of the music Companies might not. But thede Dodo's can't see beyong then of the fat cigar they are smoking to see the benefits of such a move. Its more $,£,Yen, Euros or whatever moving through your bank accounts. What is wrong with that?
  • Re:Nothing new... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hackstraw ( 262471 ) * on Thursday January 25, 2007 @12:17PM (#17752998)
    Actually I remember my older sisters having boxes of 45 rpm singles. It wasn't until cassettes and 8-track became predominate in the early 70's that you almost had to buy the whole collection of songs that comprised an album.

    Singles were a marketed item until the advent of the CD. Now that we have digital formats, the record labels simply don't want to sell singles at all. They even fought Apple, the leader in MP3 player sales, to "let" them sell MP3 singles, and then would only let them do it at a high price with DRM. Buying a Beatles single is still either impossible or very limited.

    An interesting piece of trivia here. Albums, with respect to music, mean a collection (like a photo album). Back "in the day" an album was a few 78 RPM discs bundled together. It wasn't until the advent of the 12" LP (long play) 33.3 RPM discs that an album was able to fit on one consumer playable media. That is why albums, records, vinyl, etc are synonymous.

  • by zmotula ( 663798 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @12:20PM (#17753074) Homepage
    > most stand-alone DVD players sold in the UK are now region-free

    How can this be? I thought that the CSS license required the players to obey the regional restrictions.
  • by zakezuke ( 229119 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @12:46PM (#17753602)
    I suppose the bigger question is "why do Japanese labels want people to pirate their music?". Because if you don't offer people a legit way of downloading tracks, then people gravitate to the alternatives.

    All the marketing, none of the support, and no overhead.

    But if the pirates actually create a following, you can then offer media via existing channels, and make a buck.

    Doesn't really bother me much, but makes me curious about their business sense.

    Don't market in a place where a market does not exist. Wait for a market to apear, then take advantage of it. Nothing could be more brilliant.

  • by 0x15e ( 961860 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @12:46PM (#17753606)
    Interestingly enough, this is a problem I rarely encounter buying physical media. Only the downloads are ever restricted in this manner.

    For instance, I was just yesterday digging in Beatport for an Armin Van Buuren track that was released on Nebula. They had exactly what I wanted but wouldn't sell it to me due to region.

    I figured I had two options: steal it from somewhere or buy the physical record from a store in the states. I bought the record and, as it was on a different label (but still imported), both Beatport and Nebula lost money on that one.

    It's due to restrictions like this that, while digital distribution is growing, the market for physical media (even vinyl records, in this particular case) is going to be around for at least a little while longer.
  • by Technician ( 215283 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @12:48PM (#17753642)
    If you want to check the Japanese track that topped the US charts, check the link in the parent and scroll down. The original version is posted as well as many many many remakes including the English version. Enjoy.

    Maybe iTunes doesn't sell them is they sometimes are posted for free after the copyright expired unlike in the US where the extension act will make it sure I will expire first.
  • I am going to try this immediately.

    For over 2 years I had exactly 4 songs in my iTunes shopping cart... songs that I really liked, but I couldn't bring myself to hand over my credit card for the DRM inhibited music. I usually buy CDs.

    So, for Christmas I received a couple of iTunes gift cards. I figured, what the heck... I'll buy the songs now and attempt to find something to strip the DRM.

    And then the catch hit me. The songs, while still in my shopping cart and still had playable samples were "no longer for sale in the iTunes US store". The songs and the albumn that they made up were no longer listed in the store by any means of searching.

    Here's the real kicker that pissed me off. These songs were only ever sold through the iTunes store. No physical store sales, no other online music stores, and I was never able to find them on any p2p services.

    Hopefully I'll now be able to purchase them. This is another perfect example of why DRM is a bad bad thing. If the company holding the keys to the DRM infected information decides to revoke them, the content can be completely lost to society.
  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Thursday January 25, 2007 @01:13PM (#17754090)
    Mind you, I'm a little perturbed by all of the Asian anime crud showing up in the Top rated category on YouTube lately, so to each his own I guess.

    What they need is a separate "local top rated" in addition to the "[absolute] top rated."

  • by BalanceOfJudgement ( 962905 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @01:30PM (#17754378) Homepage
    If they don't want to sell something to you but they'd be willing to sell it to someone else, then you should be allowed to just take it anyway?
    Well that's an interesting question, isn't it?

    If you think about copyright as being executed for the benefit of the culture, then artistic works don't really EVER intrisically belong to the creator (or copyright owner) - they belong to the culture that created them. Extending this idea, if a copyright owner decides to actually distribute their work, they're giving the people their due payment in exchange for the monopoly on distribution. It doesn't seem to make sense to then turn around and say "Well, I'll go ahead and repay YOU people, but NOT you guys over there!" because aren't we all supposed to uphold the same copyright?

    Doesn't it then seem backwards for a region to uphold a copyright... on a product from which they receive no benefit? From that line of reasoning it seems that the only time a copyright owner should be able to do this is if they do not distribute the item to anyone.. anywhere.

    This isn't a simple question. But it's definitely an interesting one.
  • by name*censored* ( 884880 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @01:47PM (#17754718)
    It's far more effort to work out how to buy things online as it is to illegally download them. Watch: (Legal[iTunes] vs torrent)

    Download and Install iTunes & Quicktime || Download and install torrent client (or just download if its uTorrent)
    Open iTunes || Open Web Browser
    Click on ITMS || Go to torrent site (via google, they aren't exactly hard to come by)
    Find song you like || Find song you like
    Give them your credit card number || Give that nice nigerian man your credit card number
    Download song and add it to your library || Download and run torrent
    Wait for download to complete || Wait for download to complete
    Cry because the quality makes your ears bleed || Cry because your razor blade makes your face bleed
    Yell at DRM for not working on a third party player || Yell at the pizza boy for taking 29 minutes and 30 seconds
    It's always perplexed me that all the illegal stuff (cracking programs, torrent sites, ) are both more comprehensive AND more user friendly than legal stuff; if they weren't operating below the law they'd certainly have my business. /
  • Re:Copyright (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @02:55PM (#17756030) Journal

    Copyright is more than just a monopoly on distribution: it also protects unpublished works.
    Yes, I consider this a flaw. Trade secrets should cover unpublished works. If you don't publish something, then you can enforce your control via contract law on the few people you show it to (e.g. publishers). Copyright is a social contract between society and the creator; society agrees to enforce a temporary monopoly on distribution for the creator in exchange for the work eventually entering the public domain. If a work is not published, then it can never enter the public domain, so copyright can not apply because the creator is not keeping up their end of the bargain.

    I say this as someone who makes a living as a writer.

  • by mkiwi ( 585287 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @05:07PM (#17758244)
    Interestingly enough, when ITMS was a year or two old, I was able to buy Frank Zappa music on the store. I got a couple of great albums, so I went back a few months later and did a search for "Frank Zappa." The entire 50 something album collection that was available is not available anymore- at least not in the US.

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