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MacWorld Keynote Announces x86 iMac & Laptop 1607

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from the watch-him-talk dept.
Steve Jobs began giving his keynote at 9am local time, PST. The action was posted live at MacRumorsLive, and Engadget. From the Engadget liveblog: "How many [iPods] did we sell last quarter? Some of the estimates were getting astronomical - 8 million, 9 million. I'm really pleased to announce that last quarter we sold 14 million iPods .. that is over a hundred every minute, 24/7 throughout the quarter. And it still wasnt enough. We've now sold over 42 million iPods -- as you can see the curve is going up again" MacWorld and Ars Technica has coverage as well. The shiniest news: MacBook Pro. iSight, Front Row; $1999 1.67 Core Duo; 667 DDR bus, Radeon x1600; $2499 1.83GHz. Intel chip.
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  • Stupid name (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @02:50PM (#14438088)
    Macbook sounds offensive and computer illiterate.

    What do you guys think?
    -Sj53
  • The MacBook Pro (Score:1, Interesting)

    by cyberfunk2 (656339) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @02:53PM (#14438119)
    Hate the name, hate it hate it hate it. I know the Power implies the use of a PPC chip.. but they had the Power name way back before PPC, so I really see no reason to drop it. "MacBook Pro" sounds like a kiddy toy But I've got to say, I love the specs. Finally good mobile graphics. Good CPU power, comparable on price to Dell's, which is really nice (even better deal for students w/ Apple). The iSight/frontrow stuff is just icing on the cake. Oh, and that magnetic no-trip power cord... that's just slick apple engineering right there.
  • Photocasting? Ugh (Score:4, Interesting)

    by prockcore (543967) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @02:55PM (#14438152)
    I like how Apple reinvents pheed [pheed.com] and calls it "Photocasting" as well as "incredibly new".

    Thanks Steve, but the Associated Press has been standardized on pheed for well over a year now.
  • Don't like it (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @02:57PM (#14438192)
    The enclosure is the same as the current powerbook. Compared to Sony it's really thick. Why only 1.67Ghz and 1.83ghz? Isn't Intel up to 2.33 now and aren't competitors using those chips already? It seems the only advantage is that the machine runs a nice user interface on top of BSD on the machine. Is that worth the premium?
  • A little history (Score:5, Interesting)

    by toupsie (88295) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @02:58PM (#14438199) Homepage
    This isn't the first "Duo" Apple has released in notebook form [everymac.com]. The original PowerBook Duo was a very cool machine for its time.
  • iLife update (Score:2, Interesting)

    by That's Unpossible! (722232) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:00PM (#14438244)
    I just bought a powermac recently, came with iLife 5. Anyone know the procedure for upgrades? I have coupons with this mac that indicate I have iLife 5 and Mac OS 10.4.3, can I use these somehow to upgrade to iLife 6 for free? How?
  • Web site size. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by the web (696015) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:02PM (#14438263)
    In a related note, apple has gone to a 1024 web site layout now.
  • by Trurl's Machine (651488) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:03PM (#14438282) Journal
    This is it. Never Microsoft Windows again. Not one more second of pain.

    In fact, while I was always die-hard Apple supporter (I'm typing this on my fourth Apple-branded laptop) I appreciate the fact that now I will be able to dual boot in Windows and play the games not-yet or not-at-all released for MacOS. I actually do have a copy of "Deus Ex 2" waiting for the release of Intel-based Macs. Now I'll be able to dust it off... and play on a soon-to-be-mine iMac.
  • by rampant mac (561036) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:05PM (#14438305)
    From Apple's site [apple.com]:

    Power Up With MagSafe

    The new power adapter with MagSafe connector is designed to magnetically guide your cord into place and disconnect smoothly if someone (else) trips over it.

    ---

    I think that's awesome. I can't tell you how many times I've grabbed my PowerBook thinking it wasn't plugged in, only to have the chord yanked out, or worse, have the laptop almost pulled out of my hands.

  • Re:FIrewire 800 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by orac2 (88688) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:08PM (#14438354)
    I can't imagine they'd abandon Firewire for USB.

    I think that's exactly what they're doing -- the most recent iPod rev doesn't have a Firewire interface for example. It seems that USB 2.0 may have eaten Firewire's lunch -- speeds are comparable, and -- as of pretty recently -- USB comes in a wireless flavor. Even when Firewire was going gangbusters, not every machine (I'm speaking now in the broader universe of all consumer computers, desktop and laptp, not just Apple Powerbooks) had Firewire, but they all had USB. I suspect that firewire will stick around for certain applications, but that if you really want to use it with new Mac laptops, you'll need a Firewire-USB dongle adapter.
  • I want one... NOW (Score:4, Interesting)

    by manno (848709) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:10PM (#14438379)
    I have never owned a mac, and have never wanted one... until right now.
  • Low Resolution (Score:5, Interesting)

    by NotoriousQ (457789) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:10PM (#14438381) Homepage
    Am I the only person who thinks that 1440x900 is a pretty low resolution for a 15" laptop?

    My 10" laptop has 1280x768 for goodness sakes.

  • by tomhudson (43916) <barbara.hudson@D ... com minus painte> on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:15PM (#14438445) Journal

    A lot of people must have missed the SNL skit where Steve Jobs introduces the ipon iMini, then says "Its' obsolete", "Since when did that happen?" "Ths morning"

    Then he introduces the ipod iMicro, then says "But its obsolete too", "Since when"? "5 minutes ago"

    Then he "shows" the ipod iNVisible - "holds every song ever recorded, all the video you could ever watch, and its so small you can't see it. And when you drop it, it doesn't fall - it f-l-o-a-t-s" "Sure, Steve, whatever ... go away"

  • MagSafe connector (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bravehamster (44836) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:15PM (#14438447) Homepage Journal
    I'm just damn excited about the MagSafe connector. Probably half of all the laptop hardware repairs I've done were to replace the power connector. It's one of the weakest points in current design, and I'm glad to see someone finally innovating along that front. Although, if this catches on it will mean declines in laptop repair revenue....
  • Re:European Price? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by John Muir (912474) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:16PM (#14438458)
    http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore/ [apple.com]

    £1429 base MacBook
    £929 base iMac

    As usual, something of a "market adjustment". Must buy Mac on holiday!
  • Re:FIrewire 800 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Spencerian (465343) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:19PM (#14438514) Homepage Journal
    The lack of FireWire 800 may be due to a lack of adoption to the interface (although its speeds do exceed FW 400 and USB2).

    Another likelihood to the lack of FW 800 includes Intel (who developed the USB spec and may have asked Apple to push USB2 instead), as well as problems in heat or design that prohibited use of FW 800. I'm betting for simplicity + Intel pressure. We've already seen Apple choose USB2 as its dominate sync interface for iPods, and this is a reflection of that change.

    Overall, not a bad introduction for a new 'book, but betware the Rev1 Effect. Remember the first PowerPC systems? Not bad, BUT...
  • Re:Geek Ready? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by RobNich (85522) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:20PM (#14438530) Homepage
    I don't know about the "community" but I'm a hardcore programmer in C, C++, and now PHP. I do AMP development. For the last six months, I've been using OSX on a dual G5 and a PowerBook G4. I develop in BBEdit (after trying vi, Zend Studio, and half a dozen other editors) and test in Firefox, Safari, and Internet Explorer inside of VirtualPC.

    I was a Windows user since 1993, and Macs absolutely kick ass for development, I can SSH into them and use them just as I can my Linux servers (though the tools are not Gnu and require some getting used to). Noone in my family wants to use the badass Windows system that I built less than a year ago, they all want to use my Mac.

    I'm not artsy-fartsy or at all trendy, but I've been a Mac freak for the last 5 months (it took me one month to get used to it) and I'm geeky as hell.
  • by ptomblin (1378) <ptomblin@xcski.com> on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:21PM (#14438548) Homepage Journal
    According to a person with a MacBook Pro prototype, it won't boot with the Windows install CD. Or the FreeBSD install CD for that matter. But that's just booting with the C key held down, like you do to boot the OS X installer CD. Maybe there is another way?
  • by Quila (201335) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:22PM (#14438554)
    Anybody else see the logic of transitioning



    People expect speed from a pro laptop, and Apple's never had it, so that had to be an Apple priority. People can live with the low-performance consumer model.

    The chip is not powerful enough to run the whole Power Mac line, so it can't go there yet. But the chip also fits well into the iMac, so why not do it. I don't know why they didn't do the mini.



    Expect Intel iBooks ("Macbooks") and Mac minis soon, then maybe for the Pro to get upgraded to a Centrino Duo. Intel Power Macs are probably way off, unless they go nuts with 4x Core Duo or the next Xeon is a lot better than the current one.

  • Re:Intel! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by hackstraw (262471) * on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:25PM (#14438591)
    It's worth mentioning in the summary that these new Macs are Intel based. The linked articles state this. The first Intel Macs are here, ahead of when they were expected.

    And the store is Appledotted :)

    I've been an apple user for over 20 years now (I must be getting old, I've said the over 20 years thing for a bunch of stuff now :). Although, I basically kept away from Macs from inception to 10.3.

    I thought that MacOS whatever to 9 was not good, the hardware was slow, and I just was OK mostly with UNIX and Linux, and then I got a PowerBook with 10.3 on it, and I am hands down convinced that OS X is the best OS I have ever used for general purpose interactive use.

    I never thought that I would get excited about whatever a CEO (or whatever title SJ is), but I am actually reading the transcripts and I am enthusiastic about many of the new hardware and software announcements. I'm even impressed with the iPod success even though I don't like them. I believe there is a lot of branding and hype right now for them, but I've also heard that people like them too. Unfortunately, they are not flexible enough for my needs.

    Intel iMacs that look just like the old ones. Nice.

    Intel MacBooks. Nice.

    Tons of updated software. Nice.

    I was skeptable about the Intel transition. Some, I don't like x86 stuff. Some its a little religious because of previous terms like Wintel. But I believe that Apple can pull off the transition. I don't like to bash MS for the fact that they are MS, but I like to bash them because its so easy (bully on little kid). But MS has so much legacy crap AND still breaks current software with every service pack. OS X is not perfect in its updates either, but better than what I hear from MS.

    I respect Apple as a company and community. Their QA is pretty good. Their software is excellent (except quicktime). Their hardware is excellent.

    As far as "Desktop" OSes go, I believe that Apple is the one to follow. I wish I worked for them to get some of the annoyances out of OS X. I'm easy to annoy, and they are fixable, and maybe not widely accepted.

    Ironically, I would still like for a decent media player for OS X or at least one that plays audio and one that plays video. VLC is the best for video, but is not very stable and its full of usability bugs. Its the most reliable to double click on a movie and have it play. The GUI and bugs are horrible on OS X. iTunes would be fine (maybe) if it were more extensible with media formats, but if it doesn't play my media, its worthless. Even when there was flac and ogg development going on in both iTunes and quicktime (don't know where the overlap ends), the software simply did not work, or was unreliable, or it would work in quicktime but not itunes. very frustrating.

  • by javaxman (705658) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:29PM (#14438633) Journal
    I know I shouldn't bitch about it, and I think I understand why, but it's a real bummer that Apple was unable to announce a low-end Intel machine today.

    Why not package the new iMac guts in a case without a monitor? I understand the desire to use their allotment of Yonah processors in the machines that will give them the highest markup, but all the PC fanboys are going to complain now that they don't want to pay for a monitor just to upgrade their machines... and even Mac fanboys aren't going to buy PowerMacs, iBooks, or Mac minis when iMacs and this ( IMHO poorly named ) "Mac Book Pro" are so far ahead of them and clearly on the way out, if not already gone.

    Anyone have thoughts on why there were no Mac mini, iBook, or eMac updates ( or Intel conversions ) today ? What is going to happen there ?

  • by c0d3h4x0r (604141) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:33PM (#14438692) Homepage Journal
    appreciate the fact that now I will be able to dual boot in Windows and play the games

    Actually, this is the most important remaining question about this entire announcement. Is it really the case that one can install Windows on Apple's new hardware? Can any geeks out there truly verify this? Has anyone actually gotten the shipping hardware and tried to install Windows on it and successfully gotten it up and running with a dual-boot configuration?

    It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has implemented some kind of unique encrypted handshaking between the OS X installer and the hardware so that only Apple's OS can be installed on it, so that they can avoid receiving support calls from people who put Windows on Apple hardware. Keep in mind that even if they refuse to provide support for such a configuration, the bulk of a support call's cost is in the customer placing the call in the first place. If someone calls only to be told "we don't support that", that has already cost Apple a good bit of money.

  • by joetheappleguy (865543) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:36PM (#14438725) Homepage
    The lack of FireWire 800 - External FW800 hard drives are great and very popular with Powerbook users, why give it up? Put the controller where the now gone modem used to be.

    The ExpressCard/34 slot chosen by Apple is not form factor compatible [expresscard.org] with current PCMCIA cards - No more Verizon 3G wireless broadband until (And if) they release a compatible card - BAD, BAD, BAD!
  • Battery life? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ilsie (227381) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:37PM (#14438743)
    Notice on the tech specs page for the MacBook Pro http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/whatsinside.html [apple.com] no mention of battery life? Does this mean the battery life on the MacBook is poor, since they tout it on iBook & PowerBook tech specs?
  • Re:FIrewire 800 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by stienman (51024) <adavis@ubasi[ ]com ['cs.' in gap]> on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:42PM (#14438820) Homepage Journal
    What happened? Where's the Firewire 800?

    USB 2.0 comes practically free with any modern chipset. Firewire does not. A good firewire interface will take 2-3 sq inches of PCB realestate, and add $1-2 to the total cost. The only area where firewire gained some market hold was with digital video cameras, and those now include USB 2.0. Lastly, very few pieces of equipment can even use firewire 800 to it's fullest. USB 2.0 is cheap enough and fast enough to do 99% of what needs to get done. Further you don't have as much customer confusion between ports and cable types and powered vs unpowered ports.

    So all that means is that there's a very small slice of people who need firewire for which USB cannot work. They can get a card in the laptop, and Apple can save a few dollars per Mac.

    Those who complain about it most are usually doing so for emotional reasons more than logical reasons. Much like those complaining that the new notebook should be referred to as a "Powerbook." They like Apple; Apple came out with firewire; ergo they like firewire. Nevermind that few new peripherals support firewire, and even fewer support only firwire and not USB. Nevermind that similar USB only peripherals are generally cheaper and perform as well as if not better than the equivilant firewire peripheral. Firewire lost in the market. Apple has acknowledged that. Let's move on.

    -Adam
  • VS Acer's 8200 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by C. E. Sum (1065) * on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:44PM (#14438851) Homepage Journal
    I think a good comparison with the high end model can be made with the 8200:

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1907155,00.as p [pcmag.com]

    2GHZ, 2GB ram, 120GB HDD, x1600M 256M, 15.4", GigE, etc. $2499

    Apple:
    1.83GHz, 2GB ram, 120GB HDD, x1600 256M, 15.4", GigE, etc.
    $2899

    The acer has a faster CPU and has a better camera
    The apple is about a pound lighter, remote control, and some good apps.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:47PM (#14438877)
    Also absolutely no mention of battery life, apart from a vague "Battery life depends on configuration and use."

    I think we may be looking at a return to 2hr. battery life. When you configure a new Powerbook, err, MacBook Pro, at the Apple online store, the first recommended product is the "Rechargeable Battery - 15-inch MacBook Pro - Buy an extra battery to double your battery life when traveling." Hmmm.
  • No more modem (Score:3, Interesting)

    by diggory (264503) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:50PM (#14438918) Homepage
    Weirdly, Apple have decided that modems are now optional extras on Laptops. That makes sense for the iMac - but not on a PowerBook.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:53PM (#14438965)
    It would make perfect sense for AMD to get together with the Apple cloners at this point to produce a much cheaper notebook.
  • Re:I feel abused (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Krach42 (227798) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:53PM (#14438970) Homepage Journal
    We've been lied to horribly for the last 3-4 years.

    Not that long.

    Clock for clock intels are as powerful as PowerPC.

    Only now.

    So when I bought my 1.8GHz iMac G5 it was already slower than equivalent PCs.

    No, because it was faster than a 2.6 GHz P4. The Pentium 4 was a mistake (sacrificing power for clock speed on Intel's part) they've come to their senses now.

    Now thats all very well and good, except that Apple were screaming that it was faster, better, stronger.

    Because it was during the time that Apple was hyping it. Especially in the later days of the G4, and the early days of the G5. Apple mysteriously stopped updating any of their benchmarks before the announced switch to Intel, and even if they did update their benchmarks, it was only ever against older model Pentium 4's.

    That you would be mad to even think about buying Intel, and I sucked it up. Its not even like they didn't know the truth. They've been developing Mac OS X on intel for the last 5 years, so they new they were onto a looser with PowerPC and they still over sold.

    It's a hard thing to truely measure. As far as "scientific" and advanced math go, the G5 is still a better CPU, you can push much more high pressure data through it, but for the consumer the better choice is the new cores from Intel.

    In all cases, every G5 beats out any Pentium 4, those things were just stupid.
  • Re:4X faster? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @03:57PM (#14439028)
    Dude, that sounds to me like "all our previous benchmarks were bogus"!

    "The new Intel processors are faster than the PowerPC. Therefore the old ones were faster too." -- This seems to be the common belief, but the truth is that Intel and the PowerPC folks have been leapfrogging each other for a long time. When the snail add came out, the PowerPC WAS faster than Intel. Not anymore. And the G5 will be faster again in a year or two. BFD.
  • by linguae (763922) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @04:01PM (#14439075)

    I think the even bigger question is the reverse: can you install Apple's new OS X on your PC?

    I know that they probably used the best DRM available in order to prevent this from happening, but just like all other attempts, somebody will figure it out.

  • by cosmo7 (325616) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @04:01PM (#14439076) Homepage
    I recall someone at Apple saying that they had no intention to prevent other OS from running on the Intel Macs. On the other hand, Windows XP does fairly nasty stuff with any existing MBRs, so unless OS X is designed or patched to cope with the XP installer there would be a problem.

    A neater solution would probably be a native version of VirtualPC or an equivalent, as you can then copy and paste between Windows and OS X.
  • Re:Battery Life? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by C. E. Sum (1065) * on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @04:12PM (#14439207) Homepage Journal
    If anyone can find the rating of any of the dual-core Yonah notebooks, we can probably make a WAG. The PowerBook's MacBook has a 60WH battery and a 1.83GHz processor.

    I've seen 3.5Hours for the heavier and high-end configured Acer 8200 ("6 cell battery" / 2.0GHz).

    My WAG: 4hours.
  • Anybody else see the logic of transitioning the consumer desktop and pro laptop first, rather than starting with the consumer desktop and laptop, or the pro desktop and laptop, or the pro desktop and consumer laptop, or some other combination?

    Yes, in fact I do :).

    Doing the iMac first makes sense. A very large number of PowerMac purchasers are wanting such a system to run Pro or scientific applications, which have yet to be made available for Intel. The PowerMacs were refreshed roughly two months ago. To sell an Intel PowerMac right now wouldn't be in Apples best interest, because the market for such a system isn't there (primarily due to the lack of software). I'm such an Intel PowerMac would run Rosetta very well, however people who buy such systems want to squeeze every Mhz of power out of them, and aren't going to want to run their Pro applications through a virtual machine. A dual or quad PPC system is still going to be better for these users.

    On the laptop side, however, the iBook is intended to be a low-cost laptop. It is also ready very close to the PowerBook in terms of computational power. The PowerBooks really were in need of a refresh -- they're supposed to be Apple's top-of-the-line laptop system, but they have been getting long in the tooth.

    I do find it interesting to note, however, that Apple still apparantly is selling the current PowerBook G4s. The MacBook Pro doesn't appear to be directly (or at least immediately) replacing the PowerBooks.

    I imagine that of the two systems, the new MacBook Pro probably required the most R&D, thus costing more to develop. Pro users are more likely to be early adopters, and are more likely to spend larger amounts of money, so it makes sense to target them. Besides which, developers which couldn't afford to rent a transition system now have a machine they can buy to help accelerate Mac Intel software development :).

    Yaz.

  • Re:Stupid name (Score:2, Interesting)

    by daddymac (244954) <cory@NoSPam.coryonline.com> on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @04:14PM (#14439236) Homepage
    The PowerMac name likely wont change either.

    I assumed they wanted to get rid of the "power", since they aren't using Power PC chips anymore.

  • by trevor-ds (897033) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @04:34PM (#14439486)
    I drove across the USA in the summer of 2003 (north on the west coast from California to Washington, then across the northern states until Massachusetts), and I took a Verizon cell phone with data access. I recall having trouble getting a signal in eastern Montana and western North Dakota, but I was able to get data access everywhere else. Coverage has only improved since then.

    Getting reception in buildings can still be a problem, I admit. However, it's becoming increasingly more difficult to find a usable phone jack anywhere. Many office buildings end up having a phone system that doesn't permit easy modem access anyway.

  • Re:Low Resolution (Score:3, Interesting)

    by drew (2081) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @04:55PM (#14439704) Homepage
    I had a Dell laptop some years ago that had a 1600x1200 15" screen. It still confuses me that it seems quite common to be able to buy a 15" laptop at that resolution, yet I can't find an external LCD screen smaller than 21" that offers that resolution. (My 21" CRT monitor at home is starting to make funny noises, and while I'd love to replace it with an equivalent size LCD screen, it's not really in the budget.)

    As for why, my 17" CRT at work was recently replaced by a 17" LCD, and while the LCD is much nicer in many ways, I really do notice the fact that I have lost a third of my screen real estate. I can no longer meaningfully use a browser and text editor side by side, I can't see nearly as much context to my code when I have 3 or more files open at the same time, and I don't have nearly as much room to work in Photoshop without all of the stupid palettes getting in my way. (Although in all honesty, I really consider the last one to be a design flaw in Photoshop's UI) In general, other than Photoshop, (which, again, I consider to be a terribly designed interface and is pretty much the only program I use fullscreen because it is useless otherwise) the smaller the resolution I have, the less things I can have in front of me at one time, and the more frustrated I get trying to dig around for whatever it was that just got hidden last time I switched windows.
  • by colmore (56499) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @05:06PM (#14439804) Journal
    I don't think Apple is very paranoid about OS X winding up on a few Dells. They're the worlds only authorized retailer of OS X, so you couldn't start a legitimate mac-clone business. And given that 90% of the home market never installs a new OS on a purchased machine, and 100% of the corporate market uses at least some degree of vender support, they aren't likely to lose much hardware market share over a few clever people doing installs on completely un-supported hardware. The bittorrent crowd is unlikely to spend even the $400-$500 on a mac mini anyway, since there are even cheaper beige boxes out there, and the mini doesn't allow for 1337 upgrades.
  • by javaxman (705658) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @05:25PM (#14439982) Journal
    I don't think Apple is very paranoid about OS X winding up on a few Dells.

    Then what's the rationale for not producing a Pentium-M or Celeron-based Mac mini ?

    They're sticking to the new chips so they can use the new DRM-laden chipsets... either that's to protect the software, or to protect future content DRM... I think it's to protect the software, but I guess I could be wrong. In any event, I think they'd love to be able to sell a cheap-ass Clereon or Pentium-M -based Mac mini, but can't because they want Intel's new chipset... thus no currently available low-end Mac Intel. Maybe when single-core Yonahs are released, if they're cheap enough, or when Memron chips replace the high end... but I think it's the thought of OS X running on someone's home-built ( or Dell ) machine that has Apple stuck on Intel's newer chipset.

  • by Gryffin (86893) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @05:31PM (#14440061) Homepage
    Not that I really care about the 'stupidity' of the MacBook name and I do agree with you that it is kinda clumsy.

    Mac Powerbook - PowerPC = MacBook

    Doesnt' exactly roll off the tongue, but it makes perfect sense to me.

  • Estimations??? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ainsoph (2216) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @05:38PM (#14440143) Homepage
    On when Photoshop and such will be native? Oh to be free of carbon!
  • Re:European Price? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by timster (32400) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @06:11PM (#14440538)
    Take a look at the five year graph.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDEUR=X&t=5y&l=on &z=m&q=l&c= [yahoo.com]

    The US/Euro exchange rate has been quite stable for the past two years. Your statement, "US currency is dropping like a rock", is not correct, though it would have been reasonable in 2003.

    Further, China's announcement that it will peg the value of its currency to a "basket" of foreign currencies instead of the USD alone does not mean that the Chinese are about to sell dollars in large amounts, although it's possible that they will do so and some expect it.
  • by fredmosby (545378) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @06:25PM (#14440725)
    I noticed in the that the MacBook Pro has a lithium-polymer battery instead of a lithium-ion battery like the [apple.com] PowerBook G4 [apple.com]. The battery in the new laptop is 60 watt-hour vs. 50 watt-hour for the old laptop. Can anyone tell me why apple would choose a lithium-polymer batteries over lithium-ion.
  • by eggic (901837) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @06:43PM (#14440955) Homepage
    Did they try booting holding down the option key. One my Powerbook it shows the linux install cds with a Penguin in the bottom right corner instead of an X.
  • by Arctic Fox (105204) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:07PM (#14442152) Homepage Journal
    You know, it wasn't until I saw that new plug, that it clicked.

    My 3 year old daughter has stepped on my Powerbook's cable a number of times. Each time it's cleanly pulled it out of the socket... sort of an RCA type thing. It's bound to break one day, but not yet.

    My wife's laptops, however, "mysteriously" have always had power cable problems.
    Now I know why!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:31PM (#14442315)
    Further you don't have as much customer confusion between ports and cable types and powered vs unpowered ports.

    I mostly agree with you, but this sentence is exactly backwards.

    With USB, you have two completely different cable ends: "A" and "B", to geeks. Every cable has both. Want to plug your two computers together? Get a Firewire cable, because USB can't do this directly.

    With USB, the power/bandwidth mystery is truly a mystery (and I'm a USB developer!). Your PC has USB2.0! -- but not on the keyboard, where it's only USB1.1 (and 40 times slower). And 1/5th of USB's already-wimpy power there. Does anybody actually like having to use separate power bricks for all their USB devices that require more power than a keyboard? Oh, and even if you have a USB2.0 hub, it likely has only one transaction translator, so you get USB1.1 bandwidth shared among all USB1.1 devices on it, even though you've got plenty of upstream bandwidth.

    It would be cool to see Firewire 800 take off, because it offers even more advantages: more flexible topologies, longer cable runs (up to 100 meters!), more cable types. Basically, the bandwidth of Firewire 800 is one of the least impressive things about it, which speaks volumes, because it's twice as fast as Firewire-400 or USB2!

  • Re:Low Resolution (Score:3, Interesting)

    by prockcore (543967) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @11:56PM (#14443138)
    What you mean in view of operating systems that are very limited in scaling UI object sizes, which is, all of the current major operating systems.

    Linux is a major operating system, and both Gnome and KDE use a box model to handle layout. They also SVG for icons. Plus, Gnome knows what DPI your monitor is at, and scales accordingly.

    However, you're right about OSX and Windows both being pixel-based layouts that don't scale at all.
  • by adpowers (153922) on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @12:42AM (#14443332)
    My friend and I were talking to an Apple engineer when they were recruiting at our campus (we are both Mac users). He follows the rumors more closely than I (and he is EE while I'm CS) and was curious to know about the BIOS in future Intel Macs. He asked about the BIOS and mentioned the rumors of EFI. The Apple guy was like, "Hmm, yeah, it would be interesting if we used EFI because that would make us the first computer manufacturer to do so" (paraphrased). It was interesting talking to him and hearing him say that the way he did (you know, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*).
  • PowerMac == MacTop? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by GreenPlastikMan (881184) on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @01:06AM (#14443455)
    I hope the don't go from PowerMac to MacTop.
  • Re:The MacBook Pro (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Weedlekin (836313) on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @06:23AM (#14444466)
    Apple's developer transition information indicates that Intel Macs will use the new Intel / Microsoft Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI), which is not BIOS or open firmware, but is conceptually similar to open firmware in a number of ways. This specification is newer than Windows/XP, so it is unlikely that current versions of Windows will install without some sort of emulation layer; Windows Vista on the other hand will be EFI-aware, and may therefore be directly installable on Intel Macs. Note though that a working, stable installation of Vista will very likely require drivers for various pieces of Mac-specific hardware, and the likelihood of Apple making these available is I think fairly remote. However, MS or third parties might offer them if there is enough demand -- Microsoft do after all already support the Mac in various ways, and would doubtless be very enthusiastic indeed about the idea of selling an extra few million copies of Vista to owners of Intel-based Macs.

    NB: various versions of Linux are already EFI-aware, and it is likely that these will have driver support for the new Macs fairly soon after the Linux developer community gets their hands on some. This job is made easier by the fact that there is much less variance in Mac hardware than is the case for more "generic" PCs, and the very newness of the Intel versions means that there aren't even any legacy systems to worry about, a factor that will also doubtless be a consideration for the boys in Redmond.

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