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Apple Revolutionizing Retail 418

conq writes "BusinessWeek has an interesting blog entry on Apple's 'iPod Express table', where they streamline the sale of iPods in their store. From the article: 'But the best part was that the Apple Geniuses behind the table had wireless gizmos for scanning credit cards, and Apple had worked out a totally wireless, paperless checkout process, called EasyPay. Once scanned, they advise you that the receipt will be in your inbox within an hour (since I'm already a registered Apple customer, they didn't even need to take my email or other information).'"
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  • Bah (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Golias ( 176380 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @01:53PM (#14359229)
    Apple had worked out a totally wireless, paperless checkout process, called EasyPay.

    You know what's easy? I hand you money, you hand me the product and receipt. If you want my personal information, buy it. Wouldn't it be great if we all went back to that sort of system?
  • Hackable? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by OctoberSky ( 888619 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @01:54PM (#14359238)
    "since I'm already a registered Apple customer, they didn't even need to take my email or other information"

    But I am sure the guy who cracks their wireless encryption will love it when he gets your email and other information... along with your credit card numbers.

    But seriously, "all paperless" that can't be good. I might be old school but I like a papertrail when giving someone my money.

  • Re:Apple Stores (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Golias ( 176380 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @01:56PM (#14359266)
    Those days are gone, though. The Genius Bar proved popular enough that they needed to create an electronic queue, so now when you want their help, you must first sign up for a spot in line on a web browser using... your Apple ID.
  • by penguin_asylum ( 822967 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @01:58PM (#14359277)
    That'd be double plus ungood.

    I see how this is an interesting concept, and maybe leaves you with a warm fuzzy feeling inside, but unless an ipod is the type of thing you buy every couple of days on a whim, it doesn't seem that useful...

    the most you're probably going to get is one a year; you really don't need everything to be completely streamlined.
  • by Elfich47 ( 703900 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @02:06PM (#14359351)
    I was in a brick and mortar Apple store during the cristmas rush. Alot of people were just coming in for iPods. So anyone who wanted an ipod went to the ipod kisok in the apple store and were taken care of there. I saw two Customer Reps at the time and they were working through customers very fast. The line was 6-8 people deep but I would swear the wait was under ten minutes for any given people.
    Normally the Appple store in my area is fun to browse, wander thorugh and try things out. It was designed so people can browse without feeling crowded or harried. Converting one of the sidewall sections into a dedicated sales point for a high volume product makes perfect sense to me.
    Because of the ipod specific section, the rest of the store retained its charm and usefulness, i.e. there wasn't a swarm of people all over the store asking "Where do we get ipods" interfering with people who wanted to buy other things (computers, cameras, software, etc etc).
    Thought of another way: It was a clever form of crowd control to keep the store manageable.
  • Trackback now! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lpangelrob ( 714473 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @02:08PM (#14359368)
    Speaking of anticipatory reactions...

    Sometimes it didn't work as well as advertised. [ifoapplestore.com]

    But yes, they're going to tweak it and use it anyway. [businessweek.com]

    Was this present at all Apple Stores during the holiday season? I seem to have completely missed it.

  • Re:Amazing But True (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mean_Nishka ( 543399 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @02:14PM (#14359436) Homepage Journal
    I can confirm for a fact that the devices are indeed windows. I had a similar conversation with the kid at my local Apple store who also confirmed the device was running Windows CE/Mobile (or whatever they call it these days). He did qualify his answer by saying the thing would lock up constantly :).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 29, 2005 @02:59PM (#14359759)
    my receipt took exactly 30 days to get to my e-mail. Funny that it came the last day that I was allowed to return it.
  • Re:Bah (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Lord_Dweomer ( 648696 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @03:05PM (#14359802) Homepage
    "No personal information required. They are just trying to find a way to reduce the lineup at a busy time. Is that such a bad thing?"

    As an Illinois resident, I knew I heard something sound vaguely familiar before. Oh yes...I-Pass.

    See, first they made it optional and charged the same. Of course they had all your personal information, and if they ever decide to do so could have limited tracking of your vehicle and give you automated tickets based on time/speed limit between two stations.

    Of course what happened was they saw how successful it was and wanted to force EVERYBODY into it...so what did they start to do? Double the price for people who pay with coins/cash. That's right, they doubled it. Next it will probably be impossible to use coins for a toll here unless you go through the single coin toll line that will be left, where you'll have to wait an hour in line, and they'll need to see an ID before they let you through.

    Is this comparison a bit extreme for the Apple situation? Perhaps. But don't try to smooth it over the way you did, because that lame excuse has been used time and time again on this slippery slope.

  • by BitterAndDrunk ( 799378 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @03:20PM (#14359903) Homepage Journal
    Comedians write off EVERYTHING.
    Seriously, EVERYTHING,
    A feature comic (the middle act; you're anywhere from 2-10 years into comedy) makes around $15-23k a year gross. They write off a donut, their mileage, their shaving cream they bought on the road, everything. 1099 baby.
    The expense report is them reporting it to the IRS. The same purpose we have expense reports. (well, that and someone pays us back what we spent. Hooray for companies!)
    It could be one of the toughest and loneliest existences out there, the road comic. 50 weeks a year moving from town to town. Playing shitty gigs too, if you're a middle comic. No real "oomph" perhaps. Maybe a Premium Blend credit getting you into an A club or two.

    Put it this way: when Columbus, OH is considered a great gig (the Funny Bone) in your chosen industry, perhaps you've picked the wrong industry. OK if beer pong were an industry that would probably be based in Columbus, too. And technically LA is pretty nifty as well, and New York is different from the road comics too.

    take a deep breath, Bitter. Relax. Don't get carried away.

    I'm going to go mix a white russian. Telecommuting rules.

  • by MacDork ( 560499 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @03:24PM (#14359929) Journal
    But seriously, "all paperless" that can't be good. I might be old school but I like a papertrail when giving someone my money.

    Yeah, me too, but most Americans pay with credit cards these days. I prefer a paper trail too (cash) but most of my American customers live on debt. And if someone isn't who they say they are, guess who gets stuck with no merchandise and no money to pay for it. That's right... me, the merchant. What you are complaining about, ID theft, is what merchants call a chargeback. You, after much frustration and fighting, will eventually get your money back. I won't. You're complaining about the dangers of efficiency and convenience. IMO, you should be complaining about the dangers of an antiquated system of plastic cards and magnetic stripes that store important information in plain text.

    Yeah, I'd be happy as a lark doing it your way if everyone who came into my store plonked down greenbacks instead of gold cards. But that isn't reality. If privacy is your concern, your problem isn't the retailer, it's Choicepoint. The privacy argument is between you and your card company. You did, after all, give them your SSN to get that credit line. As for offering you cash customers (people who like paper trails as much as I do) preferential treatment and discounts, I'd love to. However part of the Visa/Mastercard duopoly's merchant policy is explicit: no preferential treatment to cash customers or you loose your merchant account. And since that's 90% of my business, I can't afford to do that. Otherwise, I'd be giving all my cash customers a 2% discount and a fast pass to the front of the line. Maybe when the average American decides it really is better to save and spend rather than spend and pay interest, things could be different.

    I'm not trying to be nasty here, but look at it from both sides for a minute and you'll see the problem is with the mediator (CC companies). Not providing a bulletproof paper trail from the shopper's end of the equation, yet expecting one from the merchant without any guarantees from the guy in the middle is a bit unfair and unrealistic.

  • by vought ( 160908 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @03:44PM (#14360064)
    I thought we were still boycotting Metallica?

    Last I remember, the boycott starting during 2000 here on Slashdot. I don't recall an official "Metallica/Lars no longer sucks" campaign.

    Fuck Metallica!

  • Geniuses? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 29, 2005 @04:06PM (#14360195)
    First, everyone has wireless sales now, from football stadiums to kiosks to McDonalds. So that's about as innovative as anything else Apple did in 2005. Did you think that Apple invented the hardware to do wireless sales? Hell no, they bought it off the shelf where the rest of the world did. (disclosure: I write wireless point of sale sw)

    Second, if Microsoft did this there would be complaints that they didn't provide the paper receipt that they used to and that they were being Big Brotherish and keeping your information on file "acting like it was for your convenience but is really for a one world government run by MS."
  • Re:streamline? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Sentry21 ( 8183 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @04:20PM (#14360273) Journal
    I went to Toronto (actually Yorkdale) for a conference this past September, and I arrived in town at my hotel room at about 11 PM on a Tuesday. Bored stiff since no one else I knew was in town yet, I went across the street to get a latte at the Yorkdale shopping centre, in which, to my great joy, I discovered an Apple store.

    As I said, it was before noon on a Tuesday, and the mall was dead. I probably saw less than a hundred customers wandering around the mall, and for the size of the place, that's not much... except for the Apple store. The Apple store alone probably had about fifty people in it, which was above the comfortable maximum for that size of store. It was the single busiest place in the mall as far as I could tell, and that was impressive.

    So yes, Apple stores really *are* that busy, and if you've seen lineups at Christmas in any other stores (e.g. Electronics Boutique), then you'll understand how bad it can really be.
  • Some tidbits... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by OSXCPA ( 805476 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @07:05PM (#14361245) Journal
    1. The Apple retail shop in Chicago uses this as a way to offer customers an 'opt out' of waiting in line, and you can buy anything, as long at its with a credit card.
    2. As a victim of identity theft, those tinfoil-hats who worry about wi-fi snooping - a far greater threat is the clerk at the super-discount tech store (cough) COMPUSA (cough) who simply takes the credit card receipt for your newly-purchased stack of blank CDs and pulls it from his/her drawer at clock-out time, then writes down the number and (if they are sharp) even the 'security code' from the back of the card. Then, they purchase $9,600 in video equipment and downloadable software from Avid and Sony, and even if Visa is right on them, the purchases are complete before the victim arrives home to find a "we detected unusual activity on your account..." message on his answering machine. Lose sleep over the 9 months it will take to get that mess straightened out. Oh, and guess what - the US attorneys office won't prosecute, not will the state or local cops. Even the store dropped the thing. I couldn't even trick the Visa people into telling me where some of the contraband was shipped to (they set up an alternate ship-to adress, thanks to a stupid Visa service operator, which is how Visa ultimately had to admit that *I* had not bought all that software and hardware and was just trying to dodge paying) so I could ask the cops to pay the thief a visit. It never occurred to them that a Mac/Linux/OpenBSD guy would have no use at all for Windows video-editing software. Damages under $10k are not worth going after, apparently.
    3. Apple does not compete in embedded systems like handheld credit-card processors, so it is no surprise their units don't run Mac OS. Yes, there are *nix/BSD strains that probably do, but I bet Apple just bought off-the-shelf system. Would it even make sense for them to develop a whole new line of products in an industry they don't even choose to compete in, just so they could use their own stuff? I think that would by way to 'not invented here' for them.
  • Re:Hackable? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by adpowers ( 153922 ) on Thursday December 29, 2005 @08:05PM (#14361519)
    My mom ordered something from a small Mom & Pop store in the midwest somewhere. The packaging consisted of shredding from their office paper. I was shuffling through it and managed to piece together 3/4 of a receipt with credit car number and signature on it before I got bored. I think having small stores (or big ones) use a pre-packaged credit card processing system with no paper would be a step up in many cases.

    Andrew
  • Re:Apple Stores (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 29, 2005 @10:43PM (#14362236)

    I'll second that. I took my PowerBook in to see if the genius could figure out some random kernel panic problems, and in the course of troubleshooting, the guy offered to install Tiger to see if that would help solve the problem. Now, let me be clear here: He wasn't trying to sell me Tiger, he was offering to install it...for free. He mumbled something about "because you'll upgrade eventually anyway, right?" but otherwise exerted absolutely no pressure.

    So not only did I get free technical support for close to two hours of support (he finally figured out it was a bad stick of RAM), I got a free OS. The most painful thing I had to do was plan my evening to make sure they could see me!

HELP!!!! I'm being held prisoner in /usr/games/lib!

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