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Apple Enters Media Center Domain 241

An anonymous reader writes "CNN has a story up describing Apple's new media center concept. The software takes on a classic Apple approach: simplicity. 'The program, called Front Row, lets you listen to music, watch videos, play DVDs and display photos from a distance with a few clicks of a lighter-sized, six-button remote control.'" More details available from ThinkSecret.
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Apple Enters Media Center Domain

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  • Re:Or.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by John Harrison ( 223649 ) <johnharrison@@@gmail...com> on Friday December 02, 2005 @05:48PM (#14169366) Homepage Journal
    I've been proclaiming for weeks that the big announcement the day the iPod with video came out was not the iPod but was that Apple is going to start doing media center stuff. Nobody listened to me. It surprises me how long it has taken people figure this out. Watch a new mac mini come out with Front Row on it that can keep up on the frame rates for HDTV output. People would love something like that in their media centers.
  • Oh, no! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by __aaclcg7560 ( 824291 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @05:50PM (#14169383)
    I hope this isn't supposed to be the surprise announcement for the MacWorld Expo in January. A friend of mine said the leading rumor is that Steve Jobs will introduce the Intel-based laptops six months before they were supposed to come out. I'm delaying my Mac laptop purchase to see if that rumor is true.
  • Re:Stupid Publicity (Score:2, Interesting)

    by remove office ( 871398 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @05:52PM (#14169400) Homepage
    actually... what TFA is talking about is a new version of frontrow (2.0) which will be introduced in january along with a new media center edition mac mini (complete with ipod dock built in, possible tivo functionality etc).

    it also looks like they're prepping lots of new content from several new cable networks and other sources. i wouldn't be surprised if pixar started making exclusive shorts for the itms (itunes music, er, media store)...
  • by WTBF ( 893340 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @05:53PM (#14169407)
    For a media centre it does not seem to have very many features, even if it is meant to be simple.

    Here is what I use on my MythTV box that are not available for this:
    - Watching live TV
    - Scheduling recording of live TV
    - Web interface to access information
    - Weather
    - Games
    - News feeds
    - Advert detection

    These are all things I use on a daily basis and I think that they should be included in any media centre, and Apple's offering barely meets any of those.
  • by remove office ( 871398 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @05:59PM (#14169463) Homepage
    actually... what TFA is talking about is a new version of frontrow (2.0) which will be introduced in january along with a new media center edition mac mini (complete with ipod dock built in, possible tivo functionality etc). it also looks like they're prepping lots of new content from several new cable networks and other sources. i wouldn't be surprised if pixar started making exclusive shorts for the itms (itunes music, er, media store)...
  • Re:Or.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @06:03PM (#14169492)
    Frontrow might be a nice program, but a software package alone is clearly not enough. If these applications (music, pictures, movies) make it into the livingroom, it won't be on an iMac, but integrated with the TV and stereo. The question is, what content distribution network, and what end-user hardware, will make an application like frontrow successful?
  • by pilgrim23 ( 716938 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @06:05PM (#14169518)
    I found a far more more elegant solution. My "media" Mac is a G4 dual 867 MDD (wind tunnel) with 3 200gb drives and 2 more external 200gb firewire drives. It lives in the library (with my main work Mac: a Dual 1.8 G5. In the living room near the television, sharing space with the VCR, DVD, Laserdisc, and (since I am old old school) Betamax machines is a little silver box called an EyeHome [elgato.com]

    This magic thing is connected to a router (though it also works on a Airport Extreme or other wireless solution) and via Ethernet pumps avi mp4 and other formatted files to my television. It also handles digital optical sound and mp3s. My stereo system can rock to Weird Al or my collection of Dr Demento shows... Pictures can also be displayed and if you are all thumbs, Web surfing is available. It works with 10.3.9 and above (10.2.8 if you are creative) and oh yes, it works from a remote.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 02, 2005 @06:10PM (#14169551)
    FrontRow Enabler modifies your BezelServices.framework and BezelService.loginPlugin files to trick FrontRow into thinking your machine is a iMac G5? What are the side-effects?
  • Re:Or.... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TinyManCan ( 580322 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @06:20PM (#14169633) Homepage
    You speak the truth here. As long as the Mini can drive an HD set @ 1080i through a DVI _AND_ component out, I will be happy. Unfortunately I got bit by the HD bug a bit early and bought a mitsubishi HD set before DVI was commonplace. I only have component inputs for HD. Well, and FireWire, but I am not too sure how well that would work for this use.

    If Apple gets a mini out with those specs, I'll be first in line. I've bought several of today's minis, and would not bother buying one to use as a HTPC if it has the right horsepower and connectivity.

  • Re:Or.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 ) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Friday December 02, 2005 @06:48PM (#14169866) Homepage
    My standard DVD player already does Music, Pictures & Movies.

    OTOH A mac Mini with a decent sized fast hard drive, HDMI, and the right shape for a living room ('lunchbox' doesn't really fit in) sounds cool... provided it has Tivo functionality of course.
  • Re:Or.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JazzCrazed ( 862074 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @08:17PM (#14170592) Homepage

    Hopefully Intel will give the Mini a real good boost, then - or some magic has to be done with the tuner, because the current solution for an Apple-based PVR timeshifting 1080i HDTV requires no less than a dual G5 (click requirements on right side) [elgato.com].

    I wouldn't even dream of using one of today's Minis as an HDTV PVR. I got so frustrated with mine that I sold it [slashdot.org].

    Not to mention that unless the Mini does real-time compression it'd probably run out of disk space real fast with its 2.5" drives that currently max out at 100GB - at least, for anybody who records a lot (at 8GB/hr. for uncompressed - that is MPEG-2 - 1080i, that's at most 12 hours of recording time before something needs to be compressed, and MPEG-4 compression on today's Mac Minis is, IMHO, HORRENDOUS - it took mine 16 hours to compress MPEG-2 to H.264 MPEG-4 for a 2 hour movie - and that was at DVD res, not 1080i).

    But who knows... Maybe Intel will make this bottom-rung Mac more powerful than some of the top PowerMacs out now. And I'm speculating like the rest anyway, so I hope you had your salt shakers with you while you read this comment. ;)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 02, 2005 @08:33PM (#14170692)
    On the nose, man. On the nose.

    The pause-live-TV thing is very cool, no question about it. But what I have never understood is why I need to buy or lease an expensive and ugly outboard box to let me do that. Why is that feature not built right in to my television? The signal that comes into my house over the airwaves is only 19 megabits per second. You could buffer a lot of it with the flash RAM in my iPod nano.

    On the other end of the spectrum you've got guys who subscribe to cable or satellite TV. They have pause-TV, and often record-TV, functionality built in to their receivers. You can't get rid of the receiver, so why not include that feature there?

    For Apple to go way out of their way (and they'd have to) to include TV recording and pausing functionality would be a waste of effort, I think.

    See, love Apple or hate them, you have to give them credit for really thinking hard before they do something. They might make the right decision or they may make the wrong one, but they don't just reflexively spasm to do whatever the other players are doing. They think about it first. That's cool.
  • display options (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mbaudis ( 585035 ) on Friday December 02, 2005 @08:33PM (#14170697) Homepage
    1. imacs can mirror to another display (vga; dvi only with vga=>dvi box)
    2. screen spanning doctor http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html [rutemoeller.com] enables , well, screen spanning on imacs and ibooks
    3. dvd player can be set to disable the other display while playing movies
    4. front row patches have been available for a while, so you can run it on most newer macs. a guy even has put a mac mini in his (off all cars) f150, complete with front row etc: http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=818 [leftlanenews.com]

    i personally use a mac mini without display, controlled via VNC (built into OS X 10.4) and a sanyo plv-z2.
  • Re:Or.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Captain Splendid ( 673276 ) <capsplendid@@@gmail...com> on Friday December 02, 2005 @08:36PM (#14170709) Homepage Journal
    I still can't decide if this is a good idea or not

    It's not. Having to switch from Front Row to iTunes to do any purchasing is going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people IMO. If the whole thing could be done while sitting back and holding a sleek remote, they'd have a winner, but making the user actually have to physically move around and switch back and forth between interfaces, just to perform what could be a seamless process, is stupid.

  • Re:read the link! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by aduzik ( 705453 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:27AM (#14172193) Homepage
    Or if you own a Mac and your HD fails, they're even polite about it. The person I talked to (emailed, actually) did give the usual finger-wagging lecture about backing up your stuff, but said, something to the effect of "given the circumstances, it seems appropriate that we let you download all your music again." I think they really didn't care that much since at that time I'd bought exactly one album.

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