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Sony Music CD's Contain Mac DRM Software Too 399

brjndr writes "A MacInTouch poster has found that certain Sony CD's also contain a smaller extra partition for 'enhanced' content. Running one of the applications found within this partition installs kernel extensions containing DRM software by SunnComm. In Sony's defense you're told what is being installed within a EULA which pops up when the program is loaded. Thankfully we all read our EULAs completely."
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Sony Music CD's Contain Mac DRM Software Too

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  • Even more thankfully (Score:5, Informative)

    by Have Blue ( 616 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @02:52AM (#14005629) Homepage
    Autorun is turned off by default on Macs, and there's never a good reason to turn it on. There's no way this could interfere with the usual insert/launch iTunes/click Rip method most people use.
  • by eobanb ( 823187 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @02:58AM (#14005661) Homepage
    Actually, there IS no autorun on Mac OS X.
  • autorun (Score:4, Informative)

    by minus_273 ( 174041 ) <{aaaaa} {at} {SPAM.yahoo.com}> on Friday November 11, 2005 @03:02AM (#14005673) Journal
    the summary fails to mention that OSX has no autorun. There is no way it can install something behind your back like windows does.
  • EULA (Score:3, Informative)

    by speeDDemon (nw) ( 643987 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @03:03AM (#14005678) Homepage
    We may not all read our EULA's. However I have found the following software EULAlyzer [javacoolsoftware.com] really handy in highlighting important items in the EULA.

    Its not a substitute for truelly reading the whole EULA, however I find it good at helping me and my customers identify 'dodgy' software.

  • by protohiro1 ( 590732 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @03:07AM (#14005694) Homepage Journal
    The os recognizes it as a movie and plays it. It will not "just run" some executable on a cd.
  • by npietraniec ( 519210 ) <npietranNO@SPAMresistive.net> on Friday November 11, 2005 @03:10AM (#14005707) Homepage
    If you use a mac, you'll find that you type in your password far less than you might think you would. I don't do it that often, I don't think I'm that desensitized... I don't do it that often on my linux boxes either. My roommate however tried to set up a non-admin account on his windows computer and found it impossible to get any work done without changing over to admin all the time... Worse yet, things would fail mysteriously without any inidication of what the problem was "why can't I delete my documents on my external harddrive?!?!" He was just complaining about that today.
  • Re:Oh thank God... (Score:5, Informative)

    by dreamer-of-rules ( 794070 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @03:35AM (#14005785)
    Because of OS X default security, even when running as the administrator, you still need to click to run the program, then type in your password. Deceptive, but not really secretive or automatic, thanks to the default Mac security.

    In Windows, you just insert the CD. Maybe into someone else's system when their back is turned. Windows OS trusts external content much more than the user sitting at the desk. "Do me", it says.

    Unfortunately, people are still stupid enough to follow these ludicrous steps. Remember the teddy bear "virus" in Windows? Consisted only of an email, the instructions to delete a standard Windows exe file, and a directive to resend the email to all of your friends.

    PS. Join us... you know you want to. ;)
  • by tm2b ( 42473 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @04:07AM (#14005892) Journal
    No, it doesn't.

    You are not often challenged for your password in Mac OS X. The default installation location is /Applications, which is mode 775 (meaning users can create items in the directory, but not alter files owned by someone else, including root). Most installs you simply drag an item into the Applications folder.

    If something's asking you for your password and isn't (a) your security manager wanting to fetch your keychain for a website, or (b) something that should be installing drivers, be very worried and don't type your password until you understand exactly what it's doing. My mother has to type her password so infrequently on Mac OS X that she can never remember what it is.

    Even Microsoft Office is a drag-and-drop-to-install application (as well as being a drag), ferchrisakes.

    (and mods, please mod parent down for using Andrew Tanenbaum's [wikipedia.org] name).
  • Re:Admin Privileges (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 11, 2005 @04:20AM (#14005946)
    As the summery says, you need the DRM software to play the *enhanced* content. Which means that if all you want to do is rip the music, you'll never run into it. But if you want to see the artist interview, or watch the "Making of the album" video, that's when you run the program that with the EULA and DRM software. And there's actually a reasonable case for needing a password to install software in this case: A/V Codecs for Quicktime. I'm a programmer, and I have a Mac; I even program my Mac. I don't know off the top of my head where Codecs go, but if the program wants to install them in /Library (as opposed to /User/me/Library), I can certainly see needing to enter a password to give permissions for that install. And unless I've actually read the EULA, I won't know that the software they're installing isn't a Codec, but is actually DRM.
  • by tricorn ( 199664 ) <sep@shout.net> on Friday November 11, 2005 @04:35AM (#14005993) Journal

    In 10.3, the group for /Applications is admin, so only user accounts that are set to be Administrators can install or remove applications. Maybe they changed this in Tiger. All of the applications I looked at are also modifiable by group admin. That's why I tell people that they should set up an administrator account, and disable it for themselves. The obvious user name, admin, is blocked by Apple's account administration routines, though (you can create it as your initial user in 10.3, but they stopped that in 10.4). Yes, normally you get a group created that is the same as your user name, but it went ahead and used "staff" instead. I suppose it is a good idea not to have something obvious as your admin account, though.

    There are very few things that you need to actually be logged in as an administrator, and even fewer where you'd need to log in as root (usually easier to just open a terminal window and use su (if you've enabled the root password) or sudo).

    I don't know about Microsoft Office, but the Office "Test Drive" behaves abominably with respect to admin rights. You basically have to install it and run it as an administrator, but the failure modes if you don't are not obviously because you're not running as the right user. Stupid stupid stupid.

    Unless you have your keychain password set to something besides your login password, so it doesn't automatically unlock it when you log in, it shouldn't even ask you for your password then. My parents usually forget their password, since it is set to auto-login for them, except when I'm visiting and using the machine (and thus either logging them out, or using user switching, either of which requires they enter their password to get back on).

  • by neoguri ( 632579 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @04:52AM (#14006063)
    I've given crash-Mac-courses to converted family & friends and I found that the concept "when you enter your password an installer wants to change the system so beware" was an easy one to understand and remember.
  • Russia may have loads of shady businesses, but allofmp3 is hardly a fly-by-night operation. There are reasons not to use it, but fraud isn't one; besides, the credit card companies can only hold you liable for $50 of fraud, and many don't bother with that.
  • by the real darkskye ( 723822 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @05:22AM (#14006204) Homepage
    Just look for the Compact Disc Digital Audio mark on the case, anything with that mark is a pure audio CD, it has to be otherwise phillips won't let them use that mark.

    Granted, this will also include any mixed mode CDs with bonus video content, but whats to stop that data layer from trying to install DRM?
  • Re:Oh thank God... (Score:4, Informative)

    by MalachiConstant ( 553800 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @05:58AM (#14006322)
    That's the most articulate explaination I've heard of this. Thanks.

    I spend most of my time on a Mac (at work) but have a PC at home. If I had the money for a new computer I'd buy a Mac, but everytime I think of ditching my PC altogether I have to stop and think...

    well, I won't be able to play most of the games I bought anymore...and there's an application or two that's Windows only that I need occasionally...

    It pisses me off because I don't want to use Windows. I guess I could live without the old games, but there have been many times where I think, well, at least I can just open that in windows and re-save it.

    The best situation I can see is that OS X and/or Linux gets enough market share so that it's common for certain businesses/people to have a PC for occasional compatibility purposes only, which will lead to Mac/Linux converters that will eliminate the need for a PC, so that 100% Mac/Linux shops will have to be a consideration at least.

    If I may go on a tangent here...

    I used to work at a pre-press company (my title was "Mac Operator" which I always thought would be a cool 80's rap name. I'd change it to "Mac O" in the 90's [a la P. Diddy], then to "MOpe" around 2003). Anyway, we had one WinNT machine we kept around for the clients who were too low-scale to realize that all print work was done on Macs.

    Any Windows job was a guaranteed pain-in-the-ass, mostly for compatibility reasons, but also because WinNT was stupid about networking and printing issues. It always seemed stupid to me that, while we printed to million dollar imagesetters and had clients like the Dell computer catalog, we had to keep this red-deaded stepchiled to run a Windows version of Quark (or for the real low-rent clients who submitted Windows Pagemaker files).

    I'm a video editor now, and I still get annoyed when someone wants a non-Quicktime movie file. Some of the blame surely lies with Apple who won't even let you import an MP3 into Final Cut Pro unless you convert it into a Quicktime file first, but for the most part Apple tries to be universal, whereas Microsoft's attitude is "Fuck everyone else. If you're not using .avis and Word .docs you can go screw yourself."

    Thank god that blu-ray won out so we don't have do deal with even more forced-incompatibility issues. I just want shit to work. I'm not totally computer-illiterate (I know enough to install a new OS, or random expansion card, or hard drive. I've used Linux a bit on my personal computer), but when there's work to be done I don't want to have to use Google to search for the best way to convert a file or get a random piece of PC hardware to work on a Mac.

  • by plj ( 673710 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @07:02AM (#14006497)
    No, no, no, no and no. If I have a CD that has some audio tracks and a data track on it, it is just a perfectly standards conforming multisession CD. I personally own many such discs with CD-DA logo printed on them (no DRM, just some videos etc.). If a data track on a disc happens to have a file called autorun.inf, that tells Windows to execute another file called InstallDRMRootkit.exe, it won't make the disc itself any way non-standard. CD standard does not dictate contents of a data track!

    The myth that no copyprotected CDs are standards conforming comes from the older generation copy protections, which relied on deliberate redbook errors and unclosed data sessions instead of Windows' autorun.

    Besides, many standard discs without DRM no longer have any CD-DA logos printed on them either.
  • Re:Oh thank God... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Quiet_Desperation ( 858215 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @07:38AM (#14006664)
    Well, I hate to break it to you then, but this does show how OS X is better. ;-) Note how a window popped up before the DRM was able to be installed, and required user input. That is the default under OS X, and it's such a simple thing that is baffles to no end why MS hasn't implemented it. It's basically "thou shalt not install ANYTHING without user approval in the form of their password".
  • by arminw ( 717974 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @08:04AM (#14006779)
    ....involves just dragging the application (or the folder it's in) from the CD into the Applications folder ....

    For an ordinary user, the Mac ALWAYS asks for an admin password in order to make any change to the Applications folder. If the user is dumb enough to be logged in as an admin, then it does not. Making every user only a standard user goes a long way towards preventing a messed up system. A regular user can still install some, but not all programs in their own user space. However such installs will only affect that user and not the system or other users.
  • by ^me^ ( 129402 ) <michael,joseph,cohen+slashdot&gmail,com> on Friday November 11, 2005 @10:24AM (#14007569) Homepage
    From http://www.sonymusic.com/labels/ [sonymusic.com] :

    Columbia Records
    Epic Records
    Legacy Recording
    Sony Classical
    Sony Nashville
    Sony Wonder
  • by @madeus ( 24818 ) <slashdot_24818@mac.com> on Friday November 11, 2005 @10:45AM (#14007725)
    For an ordinary user, the Mac ALWAYS asks for an admin password in order to make any change to the Applications folder.

    This somewhat misses the point that if your dragging an Application into the "Applications" folder and your asked for a password, it's absolutely clear why the system (note: not the application) is asking you for a password. A kernel driver or global startup item can't somehow magically install itself when your only dragging a folder.

    As already pointed out, having admin privilages on your account in Mac OS X is absolutely not in anyway 'dumb', anymore than being in the wheel group is on a BSD system - in fact, it's exactly the same, only the group happens to be named 'admin' not 'wheel' (see NetInfo Manager application or nituils documentation for details).

    Having an 'admin' account in Mac OS X is not like having an 'Admin' account on a Windows sytem, or running as root on Linux.

    A regular user can still install some, but not all programs in their own user space. However such installs will only affect that user and not the system or other users.

    All programs can exist (and can be run from) in user space. Only drivers and frameworks (which are rare) must be in the admin-only accessible /Library/, rather than in the users own ~/Library/ (though things like plugins, screen savers, etc., can go in either). Obviously this only effects the current user (which is kind of the point), but there is of course the 'Shared' folder on the HD which exists out of the box to allow unprivilaged users to share items convienently if they want to.
  • by vertinox ( 846076 ) on Friday November 11, 2005 @10:48AM (#14007760)
    You don't need to authenticate to install applications on Mac OS X. Installing applications - like Microsoft Office - involves just dragging the application (or the folder it's in) from the CD into the Applications folder on your hard disk. Even things like Real One Player and Windows Media Player work this way.

    I would also like to point out that even when you are dragging and droping apps into the Apps folder it will prompt you once to say "You are about to run (application name) for the first time. Are you sure you want to do this?" which is a pretty good fail safe for programs that are trying to run silently.
  • by @madeus ( 24818 ) <slashdot_24818@mac.com> on Friday November 11, 2005 @03:41PM (#14010702)
    iTunes patches seem to bring up the permission box every time :P

    Yeah, Mail and Safari patches do the same, I assume it keeps track of the Applications filename / it's location / MD5 of the binary / etc. which is why it requires confirmation the first time you run the new version of the application (so that someone - or some software - can't switch the legitimate application with a trojan copy).

    Good Thing(TM), even if the iTunes patches are a little too frequent. ;-)

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