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Apple Launches Video Podcasting For iTunes 159

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phaedo00 writes "Apple has launched support for video podcasting in the Podcast section of the iTMS. Ars Technica has a decent write up of the news along with speculation on what this means in the way of a video iPod and Apple's recent application for a patent on the phrase 'iPodcast.'" From the article: "The quiet, fanfare-less launch (in fact, it's not even clear when it was launched) is a bit surprising for the company, but there may be a reason: there's not too many video podcasts out there in the wild. Furthermore, video podcasts are currently only playable on your computer, although it seems clear enough that a video iPod is on the way. If you didn't believe it before, you should definitely believe it now. For now, it looks like video podcasting support is limited."
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  • Stupid article (Score:5, Informative)

    by technoextreme (885694) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @03:56PM (#13569616)
    It's a freaking trademark that they used. You can't patent a word.
    • Correct. But it's not the article that's stupid. It's the submitter. Death to the submitter for making such STUPID, OBVIOUS mistakes, and the editors.... well.....
    • What if the word was a really, really long word, and actually performed some useful function running on some strange virtual machine platform?

      I'd think that was a patentable invention.

      Or maybe a magic word. Like a really good word for spells and stuff. If the word was actually a sufficiently good device for making frogs fall from the sky, wouldn't that be patentable?

      Or possibly a really long string of letters, like GATTACATACGA..., which made a patentable gene? Is a gene a word?
    • but one of these posts is wrong:

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      Stupid article (Score:4, Informative)
      by technoextreme (885694) on Thursday September 15, @07:56PM (#13569616)

      It's a freaking trademark that they used. You can't patent a word.

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      Obviously... (Score:5, Informative)
      by Otter (3800) on Thursday September 15, @07:56PM (#13569620)
      (Last Journal: Wednesday September 14, @05:31PM)

      Apple's recent application for a patent on the phrase 'iPodcast.'
      Obviously, as the Ars Technica article correctly reads, they applied for a tr
    • Cant patent a word? Ask Metallica what they think of Victoria Secret...
    • Except you apparently can.
  • Obviously... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Otter (3800) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @03:56PM (#13569620) Journal
    Apple's recent application for a patent on the phrase 'iPodcast.'

    Obviously, as the Ars Technica article correctly reads, they applied for a trademark on "iPodcast".

  • Video iPod (Score:5, Interesting)

    by theantipop (803016) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @03:58PM (#13569642)
    I know the idea of a video capable iPod hasn't been too enticing around here as users complain of small screen areas. I have to say, however, that after purchasing an iRiver H340 and flashing the Korean firmware I love the ability to play video if the fancy strikes me. The screen is big enough to make it worth it to watch movies or tv shows on a flight (or on my lunch break).

    I'd be really interested to see what Apple can do for video on a portable jukebox. iRiver's implementation, while nice, seems a bit 'after the fact' so I know there is potential.
    • The key is not so much the device as what you put on it. Sure, Apple is going to sell videos and probably movies at some point. The screen is not really the limitation it's made out to be, Apple can design a good one. Most importantly, Apple is going to let people VidCast, which is the equivalent of open source TV. It will start with music videos from small bands/labels, but anybody can fire up iMovie and make a 5 minute video. They will just add an Export option which pre-formats it for PodCasting. N
    • Re:Video iPod (Score:3, Interesting)

      by The Lynxpro (657990)
      "I'd be really interested to see what Apple can do for video on a portable jukebox. iRiver's implementation, while nice, seems a bit 'after the fact' so I know there is potential."

      All the modern *color* iPods (starting with the iPod Photo models) can do video based upon the abilities built into the chipset. Apple just hasn't enabled it.

      For video podcasts, I can't see why Apple won't enable it. For watching movies, well, that's a different ballgame. I think that will be limited to future iPod Video models
      • All the modern *color* iPods (starting with the iPod Photo models) can do video based upon the abilities built into the chipset. Apple just hasn't enabled it. For video podcasts, I can't see why Apple won't enable it.

        All iPods since 3G have been able to do high-quality stereo recording, based upon the abilities built into the chipset. Apple just hasn't enabled it (apart from low-quality mono recording using an expensive add-on). I can't see why Apple won't enable that -- but they won't!

    • by Guspaz (556486)
      There seems to be an ongoing obsession by the media and the vaporious "Video iPod". For the past 4 years the media has been claiming that a video iPod is just around the corner, and every time word leaks that Apple is about to make an iPod related announcement, the media starts reporting that it is without a doubt a Video iPod.

      I think it is time for the media (and public) to realize that the Video iPod ISN'T just around the corner, and that it may not be available for years yet, if ever.

      I don't think a vide
    • I just can't make my mind up about this. PVR has changed the way I watch TV. I now record the shows I want to watch and then play them back on my PowerBook in whatever room I'm in, and sometimes at work.

      There are certain things that I like about this set up. Its hands free, I can just place my laptop on any flatish surface, it has loud speakers, which allow me and anyone else in the room to watch it to, and the picture quality is better than watching it on my cheap CRT TV.

      I know I wouldn't want to watch an
  • by ajiva (156759) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:00PM (#13569663)
    I find that some video podcasts are actually quite good. For example, Diggnation is quite good: http://revision3.com/diggnation [revision3.com]
    as is Systm:
    http://revision3.com/systm [revision3.com]
  • by Krast0r (843081) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:01PM (#13569670) Homepage Journal
    It will be interesting to see, with the current amount of media emphasis (especially in the BBC) on camera and video phones being used in reporting stories and being "first on the scene", whether the podcast will rival the mobile phone with regards to use in media. Although the mobile phone is now ubiquitous, the ipod may be capable of recording better quality video and broadcasting it for everyone without the use of a new corporation.
    • There is a huge difference between video recording and video playback.

      There is also a huge difference in the skill necessary to shoot video footage well and shoot still pictures well.
    • Although the mobile phone is now ubiquitous, the ipod may be capable of recording better quality video and broadcasting it for everyone without the use of a new corporation.

      I doubt it. What with the ipod not even having a camera. Much less a video camera. Haven't seen much video recording done without a camera.

      Would the Mac people please please PLEASE stop saying "[possible future Apple product] will beat [currently available non-Apple product]". It's getting tiresome.

  • nothing new here (Score:5, Informative)

    by chocolatetrumpet (73058) <slashdot@ j o n a t h a n f i lbert.com> on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:02PM (#13569687) Homepage Journal
    This is nothing new. I've been watching Prem Rawat's "Peace is Possible" on iTunes for a while.

    The Dawn and Drew show even had a little video as part of their iTunes rss feed.

    Apple already has a specialized "ipod videocasting" application - it's called iMovie.

    The "news" will be an iPod designed to support video playback right out of the box.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Thats great! Now I can use my iPod Shuffle to watch random movies ;) YAY ME!
  • by Myko (11551) <myko@pregOPENBSD.org minus bsd> on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:03PM (#13569701)
    Rocketboom [rocketboom.com] has had a working vodcast in the iTunes directory since the start of podcast support with version 4.9

    I bet they're surpirised to hear of this "new" functionality....

  • by spyrral (162842) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:04PM (#13569709) Journal
    First of all, let's have a quick chuckle over "Apple's recent application for a patent on the phrase 'iPodcast.'" and move on :)

    I noticed that iTunes could handle "video podcasts" in the last version (4.7?) and there's a little writeup of the capability paired with del.ici.us [del.ico.us] over at lifehacker [lifehacker.com]:

    http://www.lifehacker.com/software/entertainment/h ow-to-find-and-add-media-to-your-itunes-library-wi th-delicious-110812.php [lifehacker.com]

    Does it mean that a video iPod is "on the way"? Not neccesarily. iTunes has had the ability to play video for a while, and podcasting video is not much different from podcasting audio. Parse
      the rss, download the associated media, add to a special playlist. I think the feature was added as an afterthought or experiment: "hey, we can add a couple lines and support this!".

    The video iPod remains the white whale of Apple enthusiasts. Often speculated about, never seen.
    • Podcasting is, at its heart, RSS. You can deliver any type of binary data over RSS. I've even seen Podcasts deliver PDFs which iTunes can store (it even has a little icon for PDFs) though the PDFs open in Preview.app.
      • The concept of providing video in this way is particularly interesting, however. I have more or less given up watching television - the signal to noise ratio is too low (both in terms of shows and in terms of advert density in a single show). I would still be interested in watching a few shows though, if they were delivered to me in a way that suited me. If I could subscribe to a show's cast and have each episode downloaded automatically when it was released, then this would be a service worth paying for
        • If I could subscribe to a show's cast and have each episode downloaded automatically when it was released, then this would be a service worth paying for - even if it were not quite fast enough for a live stream.

          Dude, it's called Tivo.

          Google it. I think you'll be pleasntly surprised.

          SteveM

          • This `TiVo' of which you speak; it is fully supported in the UK, I presume? And doesn't cost me anything beyond the cost of the shows I want (e.g. no additional subscription fee, no requirement to subscribe to cable or satellite TV)? And it allows me to watch shows on my laptop, or on my projector? Interesting, I will have to look into it.
            • This `TiVo' of which you speak; it is fully supported in the UK, I presume?

              http://www.uk.tivo.com/ [tivo.com]

              And doesn't cost me anything beyond the cost of the shows I want (e.g. no additional subscription fee, no requirement to subscribe to cable or satellite TV)?

              Of course not. However, your home broadband connection (which requires a subscription fee, of course) cannot stream or process nearly as much video as a cable TV or satellite receiver can send. Perhaps when we all have 100 mibobit per second internet you'
  • by Embedded Geek (532893) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:07PM (#13569728) Homepage
    Get ready for the Video iPod, which will presumably be available from more than just Apple.

    The overall discussion [pbs.org] was about Intel/Apple, but it seems he called this one (at least the first part) right.

    • ... but it seems he called this one (at least the first part) right.

      Where do I get one of these video iPods?

      Let's not jump the gun to give credit until an ViPod actually exists, K?

      And then we can give credit to him and everyone else who's thoughts went something like this:

      Audio is to iPod as Video is to ViPod.

      SteveM

  • Will they go and sue anyone who uses the term "PodCast" ?

    On that point, how can the term "iPodCast" even be granted, given that a similar and close term "PodCast" already exists and is used by everyone ?

  • PSP support (Score:5, Insightful)

    by didiken (93521) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:12PM (#13569790) Homepage
    Well, Sony PSP can play h.264 video format. Okay maybe need some simple tweaking with the container format.

      Maybe this is something Sony would like to collaborate with Apple on?
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Yeah, then I can have an iPod that shoots disks across the room. That would rock!
  • Tech Review Graph (Score:5, Interesting)

    by CrazyWingman (683127) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:13PM (#13569800) Journal

    there's not too many video podcasts out there in the wild.

    Actually, there is a very interesting graph in this month's Technology Review concerning podcasts. The graph shows the percentage of podcasts available by subject, versus the percentage of podcasts viewed by subject. Music is, of course, the genre that most podcasts are in, and the genre that most people view. However, erotica is one of the smallest genres by availablilty, and one of the largest by viewership. Porn driving technology again, it seems. :)

    • Re:Tech Review Graph (Score:3, Informative)

      by diamondsw (685967)
      Very interesting given questions of how porn drives technology. The article [technologyreview.com], and the graph [technologyreview.com].
      • Very interesting given questions of how porn drives technology. The article [technologyreview.com], and the graph [technologyreview.com].

        Two obvious points

        1. Primarly now... think about how (audio) erotica podcasts are the sound equivalent to amateur /homegrown porn.
        2. The other obvious kicker is that women are stimulated/excited by sound/voice much more than sight/looks (with respect to men).

        Put those two together, and you have a giant potential opportunity for enterprising individuals. Lots of untapped talent, lots of potential audience... could be the

  • It is definitely designed for a video ipod.

    In iTunes, you open the window that shows the album art, and right there is the video feed.

  • Why so quiet, Apple? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:20PM (#13569864)
    I know the article says that video podcasting support in iTunes has been around for a while, but why on earth have we not heard about this before? I follow most of the rumor sites, and this hasn't been addressed, and yet it seems like the best evidence for the video iPod. This is the first I've head of this.

    I have to wonder if Apple isn't promoting this feature because they're not sure how to bill it. Without a video iPod, it doesn't fit well within their "package deal" of the iTMS, iPod, and iTunes.
  • Bandwidth? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by airherbe (638417)

    Audio podcasts consume large amounts of bandwidth for the host; not just from the content itself, but the constant retrieval of the RSS feeds from podcast clients, as well.

    Video podcasts using the same distribution methods would be highly inefficient. But, perhaps an combined solution using syndicated bittorrents would be feasable, like this guy [gotilk.com] proposes.

    // J
  • If Apple was Smart (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Solr_Flare (844465) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:26PM (#13569900)
    They would release a firmware update that would enable video playback on all current Ipod models. This would boost customer loyalty, satisfaction, and increase sales of Ipods across the board.

    Then, Apple could simultaniously release a new "accessory" for the Ipod. It would be a line of larger portable screens. The screens could have some sort of dock(maybe on the side) that the Ipod could snap into and feed video out to the portable screen while letting you use the clickwheel for control.

    Doing something like this would give ipod owners a new "item" to purchase if they so chose. And, I imagine it would sell very well because now, in addition to entire music collections, you could have entire movie collections with an optional screen to get good viewing off of.

    Of course, later apple could release a "video ipod" model as well with improved video out quality and perhaps a larger built in screen for ipod owners to "upgrade" to when their old ipods finally wear out.

    It would be a win win situation for everyone and boost apple's hardware sales across the board.
    • That's assuming that current iPods, that struggle with real-time OGG/Vorbis playback, are capable of video playback.
    • Can't happen if they don't have the proper video decoding chip built into the iPod itself. Nothing firmware can do about it.
      • Can't happen if they don't have the proper video decoding chip built into the iPod itself. Nothing firmware can do about it.

        Uhh.. yeah it can. PC's don't have specific hardware for decoding DiVX files, it has software. Firmware is just software (but a little less soft ;).

        iRiver's H320 is a good example of that - there is firmware that turns the iPod-clone into a video player!
    • I agree with you that a video iPod would be an interesting novelty. However, your subject header implies Apple isn't smart, while their recent success would imply otherwise. I gather if they thought a video iPod would be profitable they'd go for it.
  • by borschski (665381) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:26PM (#13569911)

    I've been noticing all the podcasting cognoscenti in Silicon Valley are simultaneously doing their podcast and shooting video of it. What do they know or suspect that we don't?
    • Former TechTV ScreenSavers host Leo Laporte, Patrick Norton, John C. "I get no spam" Dvorak and others are doing TWIT [www.twit.tv] and just announced video is next.
    • Former ScreenSavers hosts Alex Albrecht and Kevin Rose at Diggnation [typepad.com] are shooting video while they podcast and Kevin Rose is doing SYSTM [revision3.com]
    • Robert X. Cringley's NerdTV debuts [pbs.org]. Now you may be wondering, "So what?". It's IPTV [wikipedia.org]...that's what. There aren't a lot of great examples out there yet, but most of the smart podcasters -- who are mini-celebrities or have something people would like to see -- are simultaneously podcasting and shooting video (many in high definition just in case). Read an article about a new report here [bbc.co.uk].
    • Silicon Valley podcaster John Furrier from Podtech [podtech.net] is embarking on video to augment his podcasting.
    Wired magazine has a great article [wired.com] discussing blogging + video = vlogging. While everyone's attention is on podcasting [wikipedia.org], vlogging [wikipedia.org] is the next hot trend that has almost taken off. This Apple announcement oughta help.


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  • Not sure why Apple (or is it this article?) is saying there isn't a lot of "Video pod-casts" out there. I have about ~50 different people regularly uploading video shows to my free video hosting server. It ranges from the proffesional to the ....er....uhm....home movie. People have been making home movie shows since the portable video camera were made in what, the 1960's? Just because you trademark a term doesn't make it "new". The only thing really new here is offering a centralized easy to use inte
  • by sveskemus (833838) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:35PM (#13570003) Homepage

    I don't think video podcasting will take off in the same way as audio podcasting.

    It's technically pretty easy to make a decent sounding audio podcast (are we going to have to call it that from now on?). All you need is a decent microphone to record it on, a piece of software to edit it with and you're good. Recording voice so that it sounds good and natural is easy.

    Making a decent video podcast is more demanding. I know good video cameras are getting cheaper and cheaper but no matter the quality of the camera you're still looking at somebody's home video unless the lighting is done properly, the sound is recorded by someone who knows what they're doing[1] and you're looking at a person who does not look like he's living in his mom's basement.

    In short, a lot more can go wrong when you're moving from just sound to sound and video.

    Commercial video podcasting may be interesting. It would be cool to get the news to put on your video iPod. But I think that will be made obsolete pretty quickly with some sort of wireless broadband and mobile phones.

    [1] Recording sound for an audio podcast is easy. You speak directly into the microphone. If you have to film the damn thing you'd better move the microphone out of the picture or get a contact mic. Otherwise it will look extremely bad.

  • I'm sure it's probably available already, but wonder how many iPorn Podcasts will be available by the end of the year.

    "Hello, Apple? Yes, I'd like the new Jenna Jameson iPod Nano, please."
    • "Hello, Apple? Yes, I'd like the new Jenna Jameson iPod Nano, please."

      She [Jenna Jameson] already does print advertisements for iRiver.

      This public service announcement was not brought to you by NBC, Sleep Train, or G.I. Joe.

  • iPod morphs into a cellphone iPod, morphs into a video iPod (with integrated cellphone eventually).

    Looks like a Nokia phone with Verizon Vcast.

    I see 2 battelships coming towards each other (computer & telcom industries) and the playing field is media (i.e content providers). And the winner will be the one with the best GUI (I bet).

  • Hopefully this will encourage even greater participation in the DTV / Broadcast Machine [participatoryculture.org] projects. Broadcast Machine does all the RSS work for posting video and DTV is a f/oss client that mimics the iTunes interface. Democratized video is imminent.
  • Want to consume videoblogs? (aka 'video podcasts')

    Want to create videoblogs?

  • by valmont (3573) * on Thursday September 15, 2005 @04:45PM (#13570111) Homepage Journal
    Make better use of our home broadband connectivity? [theappleblog.com]. I'm seeing few people addressing the costs and practicality of hosting all this new content.
  • To me, Video PodCasting sounds like a a quick way to the poorhouse - what do you get if people are able to find your Video Podcast through iTunes and actually start watching it? Insane bandwidth bill, that's what. I don't understand how audio podcasts today do not have this problem after Apple introduced a whole mass of people to the concept all at once with a huge cetralized DB to search through.

    What I would like to see is some way for RSS podcast feeds to be able to make reference only to a BitTorrent s
  • Tiki TV (Score:3, Informative)

    by barfy (256323) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @05:05PM (#13570299)
    Get Itunes, go to podcasts search on Tiki. Watch Tiki TV. Try episode 8 first then go find the rest. AWESOME!
  • First off, once they do release a video enabled iPod, I'd expect to see the features to quickly spread across most of their product line (at least the hard disk based devices) pretty quickly, much as the photo feature has. Apple needs a way to drive existing users to upgrade to larger capacities and at this point higher bitrate files probably isn't enough reason.

    Next up, I hope they consider putting a decent speaker in it. It doesn't have to be great, but it should be decent for reproducing human speech.
    • If you don't want to watch the in flight movie, (its where entertainment comes to die, hopefully not taking you down with it,) you have a way out without having to blow the rear door off. (That decompression is worse than an MP4. :-)

      And its a democratic idea. The production values are shit (now) but the content doesn't have to be music.

      Educational videos (like one I had to watch on IDMS DB) can be downloaded to a ViPod and delivered that way, instead of a bunch of us having to sit and squirm through it, mis
  • by Fussen (753791)
    Come on chums, let's talk about the real topic of conversation! CODEC!! Obviously quicktime I bet, but.. what's the tech eh? H.264? Sorenson? Does it have to be 176 x 132 as the Ipod Nano screen shows? Can it scale? The Audio I can only assume is AAC/MP3/MP4

    Answers. I need Answers, or at least an effort :D
  • Video podcast support has been there from the beginning. Tiki Bar TV was there on day one, I believe. For another good one, try Rocketboom. For a tech one, try Systm (videos). Try Insane Films as well.
  • Who has the trademark on iPorncast? That's where the money's going to be made.
  • by cr0sh (43134) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @07:26PM (#13571529) Homepage
    I would like to see someone create something akin to a "gargoyle" setup - wherein one wore a clip-on mount, lipstick tube camera attached to glasses, or possibly a wearable monocle HMD, coupled with an omni-mic and headset boom mic through a small passive mixer, with the video and audio going into a small wearable computer recording it all.

    This is all easily possible today, Steve Mann has shown the way, but I haven't heard of anybody in the video blogging community doing this. Even more spectacular would be if instead of recording directly to the wearable, if it was all recorded, mixed, and streamed via (illegally auto-tapped and legal, depending on the area) 802.11 across the net to a cam server of some sort - you could have a cheap and instant roving IP cameraman/reporter set up, able to go anywhere and report on anything, provided an 802.11 link was found. At the same time, it could record to the hard drive when the link is dropped or such, but the implications for indymedia coverage would be huge. We could actually have a good source for demonstration and other coverage that couldn't be destroyed by police action - indymedia reporters would have nearly the same freedom as regular remote camera news-crews do today, without the expense (albeit, without the quality either).

    Imagine wearing such a thing, broadcasting live the latest happenning in your local area, as it happens - for anyone on the internet to see. Imagine if your server capturing all of this auto-inserted paid-for advertisements, to offset you bandwidth bill and maybe also provide a little (or a lot!) of coin on the side. Basically - everyone could become an independent news (or other) broadcaster - provided they could set up the advertising deals and such.

    It would be an interesting thing to do, to say the least...

  • This makes a lot of sense. Get people using video podcasts before Apple gets into it. The interesting issue will be how Apple can police podcasts (or if they should) regarding use of copyrighted sources. I say that because it is almost inevitable that many of the non-techie podcasts will be sports highlight shows competing with the evening news. Indeed that's almost the killer application. *Except* that obviously they have no right to use the feeds. I don't know how (or even if) Apple is policing curr
  • Duh, I have known about this.
  • by panck (69848) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:35PM (#13572313)
    You can subscribe to video podcasts in iTunes, but I kind of prefer having a separate application to do it with...

    The best one so far is DTV [participatoryculture.org] (mac-only beta right now). The biggest feature this has that iTunes doesn't have is the ability to receive the video podcasts in .torrent form initially, and automatically download the videos via bittorrent.

    Unless iTunes provides some kind of automatic caching for the video files, having just a moderate amount of popularity could kill aspiring video podcasters.

    Another app is FireANT [antisnottv.net], which without the bittorrent feature makes me hate it.

    DTV also has a built-in directory to find video podcasts, which is pretty cool. They do a good job of making the process easy to use, although their beta is still a little wonky at times.
  • The thing that occurred to me when podcasting caught on, however, was how we're basically headed towards the democratization of video content.

    But it will be vodcast'ed !

    Q: How many video-podcasts will it take to change the government ?
    A: Only time will tell.

  • I don't pretend to know everything, but I talk big a lot and rarely actually write down and date stuff. I've been saying for months that video podcasting is going to be the next big thing, and the iPod will go video to support it.

    I was willing to bet that the vPod was going to be announced at the Nano announcement, but I was wrong. At least I put it in writing [macslash.org] for once!

  • by ptorrone (638660) * <pt@adafLIONruit.com minus cat> on Friday September 16, 2005 @05:07AM (#13574330)
    a lot of folks, including us over at make magazine have been putting videos and pdfs in itunes and the itunes feed for months now. the first one we did that is in our itunes feed is from 7/19 (http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/07/make _on_g4tv_th.html [makezine.com])

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