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Ars Technica's iPod nano Dissection 532

starwindsurfer wrote to mention an Ars Technica review of the iPod nano in which they autopsy the cute little guy to find out what makes him tick. A more thorough review than the one we ran last week. From the article: "At this point we were astounded that the iPod nano was still working properly, albeit with a broken display. Because we had honestly expected the iPod nano to break by this time, we were forced to depart from our planned schedule of destruction and try and run over it with the car. Surely, we thought, it could never withstand the crushing power of German automotive engineering." Update: 09/12 14:58 GMT by Z : Changed linking words to previous article for clarity. Monday fuzziness.
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Ars Technica's iPod nano Dissection

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  • Good Review (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Oculus Habent ( 562837 ) * <oculus.habent@gma i l . c om> on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:34AM (#13537697) Journal
    Nice to know it is so durable.

    Like another poster mentioned, it would be nice if they (any iPod, really) was more scratch-proof, but I suppose it helps drive the acessories market. :)
  • iPod durability (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Auritribe ( 856763 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:36AM (#13537705) Homepage
    As much as I love iPods, every generation of iPod has broken in one form or another. Being hard drive based, they're not durable at all. I don't abuse my products but these things can't take anything. The first generation had its problems with the scroll wheel going loose, I had returned it and gotten another one. Typically the Apple warrantee is crap, their customer service is also crap. You walk into an apple store and they typically treat the customer in the most condescending manner possible. This was in the Tysons Corner, VA Apple store. It's gotten better more recently, but when they started out it was like pulling teeth to get them to listen to any form of reason. Thankfully, the iPods were replaced fairly quickly, I'm sure that it was a common problem for them to have treated it as such. The one thing about the iPod nano that I've been worried about it durability. Apples history with physical durability is pretty crap, IMO. By the way, for the nay sayers, I now go to AbsoluteMac for my apple needs, nearby Rockville, they're great guys. When my mom mentioned how crappy the staff is at the apple stores, they responded with 'Yeah, we get those kind of complaints all the time.'
  • by Chibi Merrow ( 226057 ) <mrmerrow AT monkeyinfinity DOT net> on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:37AM (#13537715) Homepage Journal
    Article on the new iGadget being a failure? Check [slashdot.org].
    Apple g33k pr0n? Check [slashdot.org].

    Wow, this guy [misterbg.org] really DOES have Apple pegged... I mean, at first it was funny, but now it's just creepy...
  • by big_groo ( 237634 ) <groovis AT gmail DOT com> on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:37AM (#13537717) Homepage
    I have scratch proof lenses in my glasses.

    They're scratched, btw. In case you were wondering.

  • by mrgreen4242 ( 759594 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:43AM (#13537752)
    Well, personally, I don't want to listen to the radio, ever. That's why I have an iPod. I used to listen to the radio for NPR shows, but with most of the "good stuff" from NPR being available as podcasts, well, my car radio stays on "Aux Input" all the time now, and I don't own another radio reciever at all.

    I think Apple intentionally doesn't include an FM tuner on purpose, as they are theying to replace radio, not just replace CD players, with the iPod. They're doing a good job of it, too.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:46AM (#13537778)
    Thanks, but I'll pass on the scratchproof thing. I have plenty of cleaner, and failing that, lots of peanut butter to get rid of scratches.

    What I would like is for them to add Firewire support to the Nano, instead of only allowing USB 2.0.
  • by DenDave ( 700621 ) * on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:53AM (#13537847)
    It looks like it is intended for the replacement market. Old ipodders are getting the jitters to replace their 5 and 10 gb models and will probably be happy with these devices are they are used to not having their entire collection on the road with them. It does sorta kill the shuffle though.. What is also interesting to note is that this is the second ipod that is USB only. Is this because they both use the same "mainboard" and adding fw would be too expensive or technically challenging? Or is apple slowly abandoning fw as the end-all of device connectors? Perhaps a sign of this to come? Intel based machines rarely if ever have a fw port and even more rare are the full-size powered connectors like we have'em on iBook/Powerbook... hrmm the mind begins to wonder whether the next generation of laptops will have fw at all!!

    Could someone out there with a intel dev box tell us whether there is a fw port on the dev box??

    Does OSX/Intel support fw???

  • by SparksMcGee ( 812424 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @10:57AM (#13537880)
    While overall I thought the article was informative, amusing, and well-written, I don't know why Ars brings up the issue of compatibity with FireWire as a reason to downgrade the nano's score (except perhaps for Apple's perennial refusal to put more than about 3 USB ports on its machines). The throughput on USB2.0 is 480Mbps as opposed to Firewire's 400MBps, and USB compatibility is all that's really needed to make the nano work with both Macs and even older PCS (although such models might not have USB2.0, they probably won't have IEEE 1394 ports either. Heck, I've got 3 on my desktop that I don't think have ever been put to good use). It seems like adding Firewire would essentially be redundant from a data transfer perspective and potentially increase the size of a devize of which part of the appeal springs from its ability to fit in a coin pocket. I'm not saying it's a bad review by any means, I'm just somewhat confused as to why Firewire--which has now been eclipsed by USB2.0 in terms of throughput--should remain a point of contention.
  • by Intellectual Elitist ( 706889 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:06AM (#13537948)
    Because regular iPods support Firewire 800, which all Power Macs also support, and which trumps USB 2.0's bandwidth by a healthy margin.
  • by Alcimedes ( 398213 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:10AM (#13537976)
    Honestly, seeing as these are $100 cheaper than the next flash alternative I could find, I'm tempted to just pick up two as boot devices.

    One for my Windows machines at work, one for my Macs.

    You'd use up about 1GB for the OS, then have 3+GB free for data extraction. Throw a bunch of diagnostic utilities on there (usually a hundred megs or so at most) and you've got a kick ass clean system to test hardware with when you're troubleshooting. And since its got a batter of its own, it's not reliant on having a powered USB port.

  • by MindStalker ( 22827 ) <mindstalker@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:13AM (#13538001) Journal
    firewire (assuming thats what you meant by fw) is the choice for digital video tranfer on apple. Apple has a lot invested in being the digital video editing platform of choice. There is no way they are going to give up on firewire. For connections to random devices that don't need the speeds of firewire, and benifit from PC connectivity, USB is the obvious choice.
  • iPod Nano (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Daveznet ( 789744 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:14AM (#13538008)
    I actually have an iPod nano and I will agree, that it really gets scratched up fairly easily, even if you keep it in a sock you still get those little scartches. It really mucks up the nice finish that it originally came with. Ive had my nano for 2 days now and it looks like Ive had it for a couple months.
  • I liked the review (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dogfriend ( 609723 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:18AM (#13538050)
    My reason for buying a nano was to get a flash based iPod so I could take it skiing. I have taken my 20Gb 3G iPod skiing several times, but I was always concerned about scrambling the hard drive in a badly timed fall. Also, the battery life was not good enough at low temps to last a full day of skiing. The nano should be perfect for skiing, and the Ars Technica review seems to confirm its durability.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:22AM (#13538075)
    You can draw power from USB, and this new deviced uses it to charge the battery. The smaller 1394 plug standard doesn't supply power.

    USB2 speed is only that high in burst mode. Here's a test, get an exteral HD and move 100G to it over both USB2 and 1394. You may be surprised at the difference. The moral? Don't rely on published numbers unless you know exactly what they mean and under what conditions. You'll see why in this simple HD test.
  • by LazyBoy ( 128384 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:23AM (#13538079)
    It's good to see the nano hold up to so much abuse. The pictures I'd seen made it look so delicate.

    But one test I'd like to see involves trying to damage it by flexing it. Sitting on a nano laid on a wooden chair or even running over it is different from putting it in a tight pants pocket and sitting on a hard surface.

  • by Digi-John ( 692918 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:28AM (#13538124) Journal

    Yet it doesn't scratch. So if you were careful not to drop your iPod, you'd be okay. Actually, I'm not sure what it would take to shatter the kind of diamond coating that would go around an iPod. It might be something Apple should look into, for those people who MUST HAVE A SCRATCH-FREE IPOD!

  • Re:iPod durability (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Auritribe ( 856763 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:29AM (#13538137) Homepage
    I know it's bad to reply to my own post, but I would like to clarify a few things.

    First, being half asleep on a monday screwed with my formatting. I apologize it's so difficult to read.

    The other thing I'd like to comment on is the fact that I didn't really finish my story on how my ipod's each broke in one way or another.

    I've had 4 ipods total so far, two of which I bought, the other two were replacements for the two I bought, which broke.

    As I said before, the first iPod had problems with the scroll wheel, but I didn't go into details about the 2nd Generation iPod.

    I had tons of problems with the second generation, I believe it to be the worst of the iPod's out on the market. First it had atrocious battery life compared to all other iPods, including the first.

    Second, it was very very flimsy. My 2gen ipod broke not because of hard drive damage, or what one would usually suspect. Somehow a connection inside the ipod powering the screen disconnected or something. This happened within about 2 months.

    I'd just like to say I'm pleased to know that these Nano's are far more durable, mostly because they're flash based, as the reply said. I said the same thing about the shuffles when they came out. What does worry me though is how flimsy the unit itself looks, it's very thin, and I get the feeling with such a thin unit the screen inside the unit is very vulnerable.

    Bravo Apple, your products are as good as ever, but your Customer Service is still utter shit. (Sorry, had to put that in there.)

  • by Ruprecht the Monkeyb ( 680597 ) * on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:30AM (#13538144)
    That's nice for you, but there are those of us that like to listen to the radio, whether its sports shows or whatever. Plus, the gym turns down the volume on the TV sets and simulcasts the audio on short-range radio so those that want to watch the news while they work out can do so without disturbing others. An FM tuner is a requirement for a lot of people I know.
  • by (H)elix1 ( 231155 ) <slashdot.helix@nOSPaM.gmail.com> on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:30AM (#13538154) Homepage Journal
    I do - but usually only to tune in the TV audio while working out. For music, I pack in my own. While doing the bike or treadmill, there are times where it is nice to be able to tune in CNN. Wish my shuffle could do both.
  • by MikeBabcock ( 65886 ) <mtb-slashdot@mikebabcock.ca> on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:41AM (#13538271) Homepage Journal
    I've replied elsewhere in this thread as well about USB and Firewire, but consider looking at Tom's Hardware [tomshardware.com]'s review of FW vs. USB for data transfer as well (FW trumps USB, not the other way around).
  • by Snosty ( 210966 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @11:55AM (#13538373) Homepage
    So I bought one of these yesterday and the first place I put it was in my pocket that I also keep my keys in. Big mistake. 1 iPod Nano, less than a day old, scuffed and scratched.

    Does anyone know of any mild abrasives or similiar that can be used to polish an iPod such as a Nano back to scratch and scuff free brilliance? I'd really like to restore mine to normal and then maybe invest in a protective cover.

    Incidentally, what's Apple's problem with making it scratch proof? My mobile phone stays in my pocket constantly with my keys and has done so for a year now. It's scratched to hell all over EXCEPT for the glass over the screen. Go figure.
  • by markdj ( 691222 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @12:01PM (#13538436)
    Be careful about listening to your IPod while actually skiing! Many ski areas don't allow headsets while skiing as that limits your ability to hear other skiers on the trail. I kinow because I am a ski patroller and we don't allow headsets while skiing at my area - Spring Mountain, PA.
  • by SilentChris ( 452960 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @12:01PM (#13538437) Homepage
    Don't know what kind of scratch-coating you're using. Must be the cheap kind.

    I got scratch-proof coating on a new pair a year ago and not a single scratch. Dropped them, have had they fallen on concrete -- nothing. The only thing that's affected them is my puppy grabbing and chewing on a corner.
  • by OmniVector ( 569062 ) <see my homepage> on Monday September 12, 2005 @12:25PM (#13538636) Homepage
    Did anyone else notice that the battery is SODERED ON. You can't even replace this one if you WANT to (unless you have your own soder kit and all).
  • by GweeDo ( 127172 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @12:30PM (#13538673) Homepage
    How does the Nano kill the shuffle? I am a happy Shuffle owner that honestly wouldn't consider switching at all. I listen to music while riding my bike and running with my dog. I don't want to pull my iPod out of my pocket to switch anything. I want to plug it into my computer, hit a button that fills it with whatever music it feels like and hit play. That is it. I don't want to pick my music. I don't want to organize some playlists. I want to hit play.

    Shuffle = hit play.
  • Scratches (Score:1, Interesting)

    by matthew.coulson ( 642617 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @12:43PM (#13538769)
    I'm so sick of people moaning about the scratches.

    It's called the "travelled" look. Learn to love it. My iPod sits in my pocket with keys and change and whatever else, and it's scratched to hell. And it looks good.

    Battle scars, if you like. My phone is the same.

    As long as it doesn't impair function, it's all good. Hence my owning a Clie TH55 - no chance of damaging the screen.
  • by Total_Wimp ( 564548 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @12:48PM (#13538807)
    Grab a tiny radio that's as big as the tip of your thumb at the dollar store and you're all set. Then you can leave the relatively bulky iPod in your locker.

    I went on vacation recently and started packing my electronic gizmos for the trip.

    -PSP
    -cell phone
    -bluetooth headset
    -digital camera

    Now these seemed like a reasonable group of electronics for entertainment and utility on the trip, but then I started adding in all the power bricks and I realized the whole shebange weighed more than my laptop. I even packed a power strip after I started contemplating pluggin these things in all around the hotel room.

    Now, lets add an iPod Nano to that. Small and light, but you still have to plug it in, either to the wall or a USB port.

    Now on top of that, how about an FM radio?

    Ok, ok, I hear what you're saying, I don't go on vacation all the time and surely I could go without the FM radio for a week, right? But I gotta plug all this crap in at home too. Or I gotta buy batteries. Or I gotta plug in the battery charger.

    I know this is a long-winded way of saying it, but getting rid of the need for one more device can be a real boon. Though I'm not in the market for either an iPod or a portable FM radio at the moment, I can certainly sympathize with those who'd want those functions combined.

    TW

    P.S. Anyone know of a good way to haul a bunch of 'portable' electronic stuff around? One at a time they're light and functional, but when you start adding everything up (I can't use the same headset with my phone and my music player?!?!?!?) it gets kind of old. Most backpacks have compartments that are too big and even if I wanted to look like Batman, it can actually be a hassle to have everything strapped to your waist. A bandelero mabye? Anyone got a name of a link for a good solution?
  • by shotfeel ( 235240 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @12:56PM (#13538883)
    And just try capturing DV to an external drive over USB while also copying large files from the same drive. Even FW400 does it without dropping a frame.
  • by FreshFunk510 ( 526493 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @01:05PM (#13538972)
    People listening to music while skiing/snowboarding has always concerned me for the same reasons why it's illegal to have headsets on while driving.
  • by Soybean47 ( 885009 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @01:51PM (#13539350)
    Yeah... their tests did seem to be... lacking in finesse.

    One thing I would like to know is how well it stands up to bending. Can you grab a nano by the ends and snap it in two? Is it safe to just throw a nano in my back pocket and carry on about my life (sitting on it at weird angles occasionally)?

    Their tests indicated that it handles certain types of impacts and a very particular type of pressure (straight down while it's lying flat) fairly well, but I'm getting more of a "Hulk smash" vibe than any useful information.
  • by okayplayer ( 670828 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @01:58PM (#13539407)
    I know there are a couple of Nano NOT kill shuffle posts but I figured I'd reply to this one.

    I just picked up a Nano after owning a loving a shuffle since, well pretty much since the day they came out. Actually until yestarday I had really thought all other iPods were overkill... The shuffle was tough, long lasting, and really held as much music as one person could really listen to before they returned to any computer (yes, expect you freaks wanting EVERYTHING). Anyway, like I said, I was satisfied, that is until the clean integration of podcasts into the iPod world.

    No matter how well I worked my smart playlists (or used automater) I couldn't find a good way of managing to get one or two podcasts onto the shuffle each day, at the head of the list (making them easy to access). With the full functionality of the iPod/Podcast built into the Nano, my problems were solved. Now, I've got the portability of the shuffle (I'm serious, I'm thinking the Nano is MORE portable than the shuffle), plus the easy of music management of a full sized iPod, all in a beautiful, un-skippable device...

    As far as I'm concerned, the shuffle can live on fine as a low-end apple music player (or something perfect for my 74 year old father, which is who now uses my former shuffle). Other than that, just spend the extra cash and step up to the latest work from apple.

    And to the parent post... What happens when it picks stuff you don't like and you spend your entire time hitting NEXT? Is that just hitting play? Not picking, I just know that I got annoyed.
  • by song-of-the-pogo ( 631676 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @01:58PM (#13539413) Homepage
    My mom would always complain that I would just take things apart and never put them back together and usually make a huge mess.

    same here, only it was my dad who finally got fed up. the last straw might've been when i disassembled their wristwatches one day when they left me home alone (i'd heard they used jewels to keep time and i wanted a look-see: 7 rubies).

    mom said dad went into the garage and compiled a box of random stuff that he thought would be ok for me to destroy, brought it to me and said, "here. from now on, you can take apart this." i loved that box. good times.

    my first instinct is still to take everything apart as soon as i get my hands on it. it's an absolute compulsion (that and pressing any buttons i see). people who've watched me do this think i'm a very weird girl.
  • by Se7enLC ( 714730 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @02:13PM (#13539525) Homepage Journal
    I have to disagree with you on the customer service and warranty. I got my 20 gig 4G iPod last October, and about two weeks ago I got the "Folder Icon with Exclaimation Point" (Drive Crash). Since I didn't drop it or treat it badly, I didn't feel bad at all about submitting a service request to Apple. I filled out the form online, and they gave me the info:

    $30 includes shipping and handling all 3 directions (they ship me the box and foam, I pack it and ship it back, they look at it and ship something back to me). I handed the box to DHL at 6pm on Tuesday. Saturday afternoon I had a brand new iPod delivered to me (could be reconditioned, but there isn't a scratch on the back - it was still wrapped in plastic).

    Not sure what the problem with the iPod was caused by, but it's back in its leather case and hopefully it will last a little longer. $30 is not bad at all for shipping and service I say.
  • by rAiNsT0rm ( 877553 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @02:24PM (#13539614) Homepage
    Exactly, some useful stress testing like putting it in your back pocket and sitting on it multiple times on multiple surfaces would be useful.

    Hell, there are so many "normal use" scenarios that COULD have been done to add some value. I actually find that form of "hey, lets break this brand new gadget that many people would love to have but couldn't afford and in a blatantly useless manner 'cuz we got them free" mentality to be disgusting.

    Do some normal stress testing for the review and give away the still-working but a little worse for wear unit to a lucky reader.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 12, 2005 @02:44PM (#13539769)
    Damn straight.

    When I was seven or eight, I completely disassembled the engine on the lawnmower. My dad just sort of grimaced when he got home from work, and we spent the evening looking at all the parts and he gave me a pretty good education about how the whole thing worked. The evening ended with the engine reassembled and running. In my later years I would go on to spend long evenings at the airport helping my father complete 100 hr inspections on the corporate plane (he had his AP as well as his pilot's license). A great life experience all around, I never lost my interest in taking things apart and putting them back together.
  • Re:necropsy (Score:3, Interesting)

    by HairyCanary ( 688865 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @02:45PM (#13539780)
    Perhaps in some original definition of necropsy and autopsy. But in modern English the two words are synonyms.
  • by TylerL82 ( 617087 ) on Monday September 12, 2005 @03:31PM (#13540180) Homepage
    I'm pretty sure they were talking about booting Mac OS X from it.
    Booting Linux, etc. with it on an x86 machine will probably give a much different result.

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