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Review of Apple's "Mighty Mouse" 649

hanser writes "Ars Technica is running an in-depth review of the new Apple "Mighty Mouse." From the review: "As it turns out, Apple blew the description of its "aural feedback" and "touch sensitivity" out of proportion and led most of us to believe that 1) there was some sort of speaker built into the mouse with synthetic mouse sounds coming out of it, and 2) the shell might be solid-state touch-sensitive like our beloved iPod wheels.""
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Review of Apple's "Mighty Mouse"

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  • Innovative? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by skatephat420 ( 803185 ) <seandfeeney@gmail.com> on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @08:36AM (#13229590)
    Apple, possibly the most innovative computer company on the planet. Yet, the multi-buttoned mouse is 10 years too late and its not even wireless. Whats up with that?
  • by schtum ( 166052 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @09:41AM (#13229951)
    Umm, the things that were "blown out of proportion" were things that people didn't want. Solid state mouse buttons with no tactile feedback would be awful, and a speaker would be annoying. You know they'd get all clever and make it go "moof" instead of "click". And then some third party would start selling "click tones" featuring Crazy Frog! No thank you.
  • Re:Innovative? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @09:41AM (#13229960)

    Amigas had a 2 button mouse in 1985.

  • Re:Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bigman2003 ( 671309 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @09:47AM (#13230013) Homepage
    Yes, absolutely. They are just working away happily, with no idea what they are missing.

    Just like we all did before the Internet (what would we need that for?)

    Or, just how we did before electric lights. (time to go to bed!)

    Just like we did before automobiles (I've got a fast horse!)

    Yes, you could easily argue that people can be just fine, dandy, and happy when don't even know what they are missing.

    But once you have it, it is very hard to go back.
  • Re:Well... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by bubkus_jones ( 561139 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @09:52AM (#13230052)
    Do you really think the invention of a second mouse button is up there with the automobile or the lightbulb?

    Please, it's a mouse button. If a person is comfortable with a single mouse button, let them use it. Just like if someone prefers a different layout to their keyboard instead of qwerty.
  • by coolfrood ( 459411 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @09:56AM (#13230079) Homepage
    maybe some people don't want bluetooth. for my desktop machine i have no problem with a wire. i would rather deal with that than needlessly waste batteries.

    Amen to that. I was thinking of getting the BT mouse, but I realised I had little use for it on my desktop. The fact that the mouse connects nicely into the keyboard makes the wire clutter a moot point IMHO. Also it's nicer not having to deal with replacing batteries and also doing without some extra radiation, even if it is small.

  • by Soybean47 ( 885009 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @10:29AM (#13230302)
    It's not even "marketing language" or whatnot... Apple didn't blow this out of proportion, the Slashdot summary did. I read the summary, and thought, "Wow, that's pretty crazy!" Then I RTFA (sorry, I'm not really a frequent slashdotter), and I couldn't figure out where the person writing the summary got their crazy ideas.

    I'm pretty sure Apple's description of the mouse explained how it actually works, and somebody misunderstood something (or maybe only read part of it) and started making random assumptions.
  • Re:Wost Mouse Ever (Score:2, Insightful)

    by kilfarsnar ( 561956 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @10:48AM (#13230447)
    "Specifically on Macintosh operating systems, you have to click on the menu, hold the click and drag the mouse down through the items till you get to the one you want."

    Wait, what? I may be misunderstanding you, but the menus on the Mac have not acted that way since OS 7. The menus on a Mac work the same as on Windows. Click on the menu, release the click, select item you want, click again. You don't need to hold the click.

  • by Chief Typist ( 110285 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @11:35AM (#13230830) Homepage
    I think the most important feature of this new mouse is that it works like a single button mouse in the default configuration.

    Last month, my wife was on the phone with her mother providing tech support. I'm not exaggerating when I say that she said "NOT THE RIGHT BUTTON, MOM!" about 20 times. The context menu was coming up, and the selected action (default) was not the one needed.

    Her mom is not stupid, but she does hit the wrong button on her mouse. To her, there's no difference -- they both click.

    The Mighty Mouse will work fine for people who just want the simple click-n-go interface. Also, since the default configuration is to not have a right button, it forces developers to "keep it simple, stupid".

    Power users (e.g. your average Slashdot reader) can benefit from multiple buttons -- and go to the preference panel to enable the additional functionality. Some intermediate level users may even learn about the "power of the right click" by seeing & exploring the preference panel -- good for them, too!

    This is what I like about Apple -- creating solutions that work for a wide range of users.

    -ch
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @12:03PM (#13231123)
    Lame... Your conclusion does not follow from your assertion. Grandma is *used to the keyboard* since we've had typewriters for over 100 years. The mouse is a "new invention" for the elderly among us... and it's not just grandmas who don't know the right click from the left one... I know many 30-somethings that don't know the difference.

    By the way, why do you think we still have the crappy QWERTY layout?

    Because people are used to it. QWERTY was developed to slow typing down to the letter pins wouldn't get stuck together... and yet we still have no modern keyboard replacement.

    You might as well argue that Apple is in the wrong because it doesn't ship a Dvorak keyboard layout as the default "because the Dvorak layout is superior"... just like a multi-button mouse is.

    By the way, WTF do some PCs not boot without keyboards? What's up with that?
  • Re:Innovative? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ChatHuant ( 801522 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @02:32PM (#13232681)
    Selling optical mice in 1983

    Yes [absoluteastronomy.com].

    The first version of optical mice needed to be used with a special mouse pad, with a metallic rectangular grid on the surface. The accuracy was pretty bad, and having to use this pad was no fun either. As mechanical mice got better, optical mice disappeared for many years. The newer ones do a lot of image processing internally, have much better accuracy and don't need a special mouse pad - which is why they've more or less replaced mechanical mice.
  • by kiddailey ( 165202 ) on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @02:48PM (#13232844) Homepage

    In my personal experience, it appears that most non-geek people "turn off" their brains when computing and subconciously decide that they won't exert any (and I mean ANY) effort to figure out a problem.

    There are fundamental differences between using a mouse and driving a car, and using a keyboard and putting on shoes that I think are also woth mentioning:
    1. People are usually trained (at some basic level) to drive a car.

    2. Turning off your brain and/or not exerting any effort while driving will probably result in an accident.

    3. The keys on the keyboard are labeled with symbols that most of us have been exposed to since grade school.

    4. Keyboard confusion does exist. Specifically with the modifier keys like "control", "alt", "command", "windows."

      Try to explain these to an inexperienced user and you'll get as much of a blank stare as when talking about the difference between left and right mouse buttons.

    5. Putting shoes on the wrong feet gives tactile, intuititive feedback - they feel funny. The mouse has no way of communicating when you're doing something other than what you meant to do. Add to that the fact that mice are quite often perfectly symmetrical, unlike your shoes.

    It amazes me (okay, not really) that there are so many holier-than-thou attitudes here disregarding the 'two mouse buttons are too confusing' argument. I guess they fail to realize that the world is full of people, and not everyone is as knowledgeable, skilled, smart, dexterous or experienced as themselves.

    Many people here would do a lot for their awareness of this reality by reading The Design of Everyday Things [amazon.com] by Donald Norman.
  • by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Wednesday August 03, 2005 @04:16PM (#13234042) Homepage Journal
    Consider the possibility that there are other reasons for a particular engineering design than the one you can think of off the top of your head. RSI, for instance.

    Or consider that other people work differently than you do.

    Or have other preferences.

    It's not useful to have a preference and then call everyone with a different set of requirements a moron. I'd have to call you a moron for not using a trackball, for instance, but that's not helpful

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