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Apple to Become Wireless Provider? 286

nonsuchworks writes "Forbes reports on the possibility of Apple becoming a 'mobile virtual network operator,' or MVNO, in order to extend the iTunes and iPod brands into the cellular phone market. This would allow Apple to circumvent the cellular carriers who have so far balked at carrying the iTunes-enabled mobile phone." From the article: "It might sound far-fetched, but the pieces are in place for it to happen later this summer. Apple is already developing a hybrid iPod/cell phone with handset maker Motorola. And companies ranging from the Virgin Group to The Walt Disney Co. are proving that a new network model can allow all kinds of businesses to easily enter the mobile market."
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Apple to Become Wireless Provider?

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  • It's about time. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Iriel ( 810009 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @11:29AM (#13013741) Homepage
    I always thought that Apple should have made some sort of uber-wi(fi|max) iPod so that iPodders could stream the internet radio stations on an iPod like they could on iTunes. And besides, if it all works out as predicted, this could help crush Bill Gates' dream of destroying iTunes and the iPod and their dominance over the digital music market. It sounds like fun :)
  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @11:33AM (#13013770) Homepage Journal
    Walmart already has a big network in place. Install a WiFi Max mobile station at each WalMart and you have close to an instant cell network not to mention ISP, and Cable TV replacement. I for one welcome our Walmart overlords.
  • OK, so this is one of those "well, I just pulled this idea out of my ass so I could write my column thought".

    But if nothing else, it's a very interesting one. Several commentators, including Bill Gates, have stated that they believe that the cell phone will overtake the iPod. You're more likely to carry around a cell, it has an established system of purchasing music (among other things), and so on.

    Granted, I still take that with a heavy grain of salt, considering that my own PDA/phone (Treo 650) tends to go about a full day on the charge, and that's from a heavy user who uses it for email, AIM, speech, ebook reading, notes, calendar, and so on. I have to make sure I plug it in before I go to bed. My iPod lasts a bit longer (though if I used it as much as the Treo, it would probably die as quickly, if not faster). The iPod is just a better interface for music, and crappy for all else.

    So the concept that Apple could go after the wireless market isn't so far fetched. Would anyone have thought of them a major player in the music industry? They have a brand name that's good (if not growing), and it would be a good way to suppliment the PC business. And it would remove some problems. Right now, according to the rumors, most wireless carriers don't want to carry the iTunes Mobile Phone because it would cut into their business.

    So, fine: Apple makes their own service and gives the finger to the phone companies. How many iPod users (and Mac heads) would switch?

    For it to work, they would need:

    Capital - check, they still have a few billion left in the bank.
    Manufacturing - check, not a major problem
    Engineers - check, though they'd probably need to hire some
    Wireless access points - Hm.... That may be a reach, but as the article points out (yes, I did RTFA) if Disney can do it, so can Apple. Whether that means they go out and buy someone, or just buy up/rent the wireless access points, they certainly have the means and the business acumen. Jobs has demonstrated the ability to negotiate in the past, if done right (say like the current Sprint model I'm using, where $40 gives 500 minutes, and an extra $15 gets me unlimited Internet access), they could make it work. Make the phones a combo phone/802.11 device for Skype/Gizmo like communications, and those Airports become all the more useful to their business model. Or start installing WiMax stations around the country for the same effect.

    So, points to the author for coming up with a possibly viable idea. Will Apple do it? Probably not now - they have enough risk on their hands with the shift to the Intel processors and dealing with a potential loss of sales over the next 18-24 months. But if the wireless companies continue to play hardball with Jobs's (note to the picky: his name is Steve Jobs, the plural then becomes Jobs's, thank you) music domination plans, he might just do an end around.

    We'll see. Most of this I'm pulling out of my ass, so of course I could be wrong.
  • How about... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @11:35AM (#13013794)
    They create a mobile iTunes software that can work with the phones for just about any manufacturer and try to get some contracts with Verizon, Cellular One, and the other big companies.

    Starting their own company gives them more control, but they also have all these other big companies that are going to try to run them out of business. However, if Apple sticks to its $.99 per song and allows people to use a full song for a ringtone rather than selling crappy midi files for $2.50 that play 10 bars of some obscure part of the song, they might put a dent in the other company.

    I understand that Apple is trying to expand and stay one step ahead of the competition (especially with Microsoft wanting to get in on the market), but it seems like Apple is starting to wander out of its realm a little bit, which makes me think of another company that tries to do everything and usually ends up with a subpar product that is beaten by a company that focuses on that area.

    Then again, if the other big phone companies aren't willing to play ball (which they probably aren't. Would you want to stop charging ridiculous amounts for a ringtone?) what choice does Apple have other than this one?

    Hopefully they'll make a product that's fair to the consumer. Basically, I'd want good coverage, the ability to upload songs I've already purchased, and the same $.99 to purchase a song on my phone. Capacity for 100+ songs would be nice as well. Price doesn't matter since you can give it away for a lot less than it costs when you make someone sign a service plan for a few years.

    If it met those conditions, I might consider getting one.

  • This would allow Apple to circumvent the cellular carriers who have so far balked at carrying the iTunes-enabled mobile phone

    Odd statement, considering that phones which interoperate with iTunes have already been spotted in the wild. [appleinsider.com]
  • by G4from128k ( 686170 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @11:39AM (#13013832)
    Merging a cellphone with an iPod make sense. A hands-free mic on the earbud wire would be all that an ipod needs. The thing could even auto-switch between cell and playback modes -- automatically pausing the song (and announcing the caller-id) when a call comes in and returning to the tunes when the call is over. A virtual keypad overlay on the jog wheel could provide a numeric keypad for dialing but most people would probably sync the iPod with iCal or some PC-based PIM and use the wheel to select the number.

    One device on the belt and one device for the ears.
  • by Steinfiend ( 700505 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @11:40AM (#13013833)
    This post just encouraged me to check out TLA related websites. Starting out with the fount of all knowledge that is Wikipedia, they have a list, spead over several pages, that lists all the TLAs possible. Its scary, randomly clicking on PSA gives 13 possible things it could stand for. And thats just the ones that someone geeky enough to use Wikipedia has entered, there will be many more out there.

    In this day and age isn't it just as easy to say (or type) Public Service Announcement as it is PSA? I'm telling you, its UCN. And if you can figure that one out I'll give you 75p and a packet of Rolos.

    If you would like to check it out go to this page;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLA [wikipedia.org]
  • Re:FINALLY! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mcho ( 878145 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @11:40AM (#13013836) Homepage Journal
    Cell-Phone/iPod/PDA

    Another PDA cellphone? Unless it's very easy to use, I wouldn't think it would be popular. However, I can imagine a cellphone that was integrated with an iPod -- the two devices, in general, are similar in size, etc.

    But I would not think integrating iTunes into a cellphone would be a great idea. Using iTunes on my computer is great (and I've stopped buying CDs since downloading iTunes), but that interface wouldn't translate well onto a cellphone-sized screen.

    And don't get me started about watching TV on cellphones...
  • by illtron ( 722358 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @11:43AM (#13013863) Homepage Journal
    Well I think the iTunes phone is a pretty sure bet. Between these shots of the phone: http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000887049175/ [engadget.com]

    And the fact that support for them is already in iTunes (yeah, I know it says iPod phone, but that's not the same as a "hybrid iPod/cell phone"):
    http://appleinsider.com/image.php?i=itunesiphonepr efs&id=1158 [appleinsider.com]

    There's no doubt that it's coming. But it won't be a hybrid iPod/cell phone.
  • Re:FINALLY! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Lynxpro ( 657990 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [orpxnyl]> on Friday July 08, 2005 @12:08PM (#13014113)
    "I've always said I want a Cell-Phone/iPod/PDA all in one unit. Looks like it's almost time to empty out my bank account and truly become an Apple Fanboy! :)"

    I want an iTunes capable phone, but I won't be buying it if Motorola makes it in a "candybar" form instead of the more popular "flip phone" style. From personal experience, I've received stronger signals from the flip phones. Motorola should bring out a RAZR 2.0 phone with more physical memory, an SD (or whatever) flash memory slot, and iTunes/AAC+Fairplay compatible phone. I might not want to buy tunes over the mobile network, but I certainly want to use my iTunes tracks as ringtones.

    Issuing a "candybar" phone to the public at this point reminds me of Atari bringing the Falcon computer to the market in the old school 1040ST case when probably 90% of the interested buyers wanted the machine manufactured in a separate case/detached keyboard like the MegaST/STE & TT lines were. I'm sure the Amiga fanboys on here would also agree with the sentiment in relation to the Amiga 500 and 600 models... But I digress... :)

  • Re:In other words (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Lynxpro ( 657990 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [orpxnyl]> on Friday July 08, 2005 @12:27PM (#13014280)
    "So you could do what... "type" entries by scrolling through letters one at a time with the wheel? What good is having a PDA OS on a device with essentially no input?"

    Kensington makes a Bluetooth iPod adapter. Bundle an Apple branded version with a Bluetooth enabled thumbpad keyboard. For future iPods, they could make the screen larger and offer a separate stylus if the screens were touch sensitive.

    But there are also wired remotes for the iPod currently. A wired keyboard would also be doable.

  • Re:How about... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by The Lynxpro ( 657990 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [orpxnyl]> on Friday July 08, 2005 @12:34PM (#13014343)
    "They create a mobile iTunes software that can work with the phones for just about any manufacturer and try to get some contracts with Verizon, Cellular One, and the other big companies."

    From what I've read, iTunes Mobile is Java based. Apple could really piss off the mobile phone companies by offering it as a free download through the iTunes Music Store and then have links to the Apple store to sell the various cables for the different mobile phones so people could hook up their non-Bluetooth phones to their machines and start the downloading madness. And with that, it would be a one-two punch to the various mobile phone companies (that means you, Sprint and Verizon) that won't play nice with Jobs. Say goodbye to $2.50 ringtones.

  • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @12:52PM (#13014515) Journal
    When I read the Slashdot article title, I got the impression Apple was considering building its own complete cellular network. But the article doesn't seem to be saying that at all.

    Rather, they're talking about what amounts to "VARs (value added resellers)" in the world of computers.

    Companies like ESPN, Disney or Apple just pay one of the existing cellular companies (like Sprint) for rights to use their infrastructure - and they resell customized phones that do some things the carrier doesn't wish to offer with the phones packaged on their regular plans.

    Big deal!?! I grant that this might, indeed, be a way for Apple to get their way rolling out phones that play iTunes purchased music and still sync with PCs - but what else does it really offer anyone?

    The cellular carriers are still going to call all the shots as far as prices to use their networks - so they're not likely to give Apple some sort of huge discount. Therefore, I'd say you can expect monthy pricing to be the same or higher than you pay now. And if you have issues such as poor reception, slow data xfer rates, or customer service hassles with your carrier, that won't change either.
  • by The Lynxpro ( 657990 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [orpxnyl]> on Friday July 08, 2005 @01:02PM (#13014612)
    "Being that Deutsche Telekom has been rumoured to be shopping around T-Mobile, this could be the property Apple should be looking in."

    There's yet another reason for Apple to be looking at T-Mobile USA, even if it is only for a 50% acquisition/partnership. The reason being the T-Mobile "Hot Spot" network. And who is the big corporation with thousands of locations partnered up with T-Mobile on this and proudly displaying their logo on their doors? Yep, you guess it, Starbucks.

    Bet you thought I was going to say "Frank Stallone" in some weird homage to Norm Macdonald, weren't ya?

    The other reason to do so is to have gorgeous Catherine Zeta Jones as a spokeswoman for Apple. Yep, that's something to bite into... :)

  • by the0ther ( 720331 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @01:04PM (#13014634)
    I love this for two reasons. iPods are incredibly useful and well designed. Who'd have thought you need your entire 200 CD collection with you at all times? But now that I do, I can't live without it. So I'm not so impressed by this device as I am about the upcoming Nokia N91 which will have a 4GB hard drive onboard. Sure, they're making higher capacity SD & MMC cards, but 512 MB just isn't quite enough space for a really useful MP3 player. So I like the route Nokia is taking.

    The other thing I love about this is that a big company, Apple, is trying to do an end-around of the telcos and the cable internet providers. And sure, I know they're not taking them head-on, and this is just a rumor at this point, but we gotta turn up the competition if we're ever going to see a really dynamic internet. The promise of a digital commons just isn't playing out like we'd want, and I think the "owners" of the networks are largely to blame. So kudos to Apple for seeing this and taking some steps toward busting up that logjam.

  • Re:Yeah right (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Danger Stevens ( 869074 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @02:02PM (#13015157) Homepage
    I work on both a Windows system with a 2-button mouse and a Linux system with a 5-button mouse. Everytime I have to leave the Linux system I work slower because (Linux does more and) just 2 buttons is a pain in the ass.

    My friends who run OSX all have Logitech 5+ button mice. They'll evangelize apple right up until it comes to buttons - then they stop.
  • What a cowinkydink (Score:3, Interesting)

    by snorklewacker ( 836663 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @02:29PM (#13015386)
    ... I occasionally give a training session at work about the architecture and organization of the internet, including covering things like the domain registration hierarchy (ICANN/RIR/LIR/registrar/reseller/customer), ASN's and of course, IP allocation. I usually use some phrase like "ARIN handed out IP space like crazy at the start, so companies like Ford and Apple got a whole class A each. Apple could become an ISP if it wanted to."

    Heh. Maybe Ford is next?
  • Re:How about... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 08, 2005 @02:38PM (#13015460)
    Flip it -- don't build a phone plus iPod-like functions, build a cell radio into the iPod itself. Sign up as an MVNO and buy cellular data bandwidth in bulk, without any voice minutes. Let the iPod browse the iTunes Music Store wirelessly, and purchase songs right from the device with your one-click-enabled iTMS account. You could recoup the wireless bandwidth costs by charging more for each song downloaded wirelessly, or charge $10/month for people who want to keep the price at $.99, and maybe offer these subscribers some nice text-based extras like their email, news & sports, etc.
  • Beam me your song? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by iwebmaster ( 564071 ) on Friday July 08, 2005 @05:31PM (#13016905)
    Via a Bluetooth enabled iPhone? Download and share? Somebody will hack this feature in.

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