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iTunes 4.9 To Support Podcasting 352

WaRrK writes "O'Reilly Radar are reporting that in a demo at D: All Things Digital Conference, Steve Jobs showed off iTunes 4.9, which has support for iPodder like functionality. Although, he was "slightly" dismissive of the phenomena, describing it as "Wayne's World for radio". Also, whilst currently only supporting free content, they are not ruling out paid for podcasting in the future. iTunes 4.9 should be available within 60 days." Yeah, Steve's kinda right on this - podcasting is neat & all, but the breathy overstatement of how it will change our lives is a wee bit overdone.
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iTunes 4.9 To Support Podcasting

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  • podcasting, bah! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:09AM (#12611609)
    I want DAB in the iPod
  • It's an enabler... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by eyegor ( 148503 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:14AM (#12611656)
    Given that Rush Limbaugh (love him or loathe him) is going to be making his broadcast available via podcast, you could change iTunes to allow downloading DRMed podcasts on a pay-per-download or a subscription basis either through the iTunes store or a third-party source.
  • Re:well.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tbone1 ( 309237 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:16AM (#12611676) Homepage
    so what's left for itunes 5?

    Video store. They've already got all the front-end functionality built into iTunes 4, so ...

  • Brain storm! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by 3770 ( 560838 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:17AM (#12611685) Homepage
    Brain storm.

    Movies (not just videos).

    Lyrics for songs.

    Karaoke.

    Mixing (be your own DJ with pitch control and sound effects).

    Support for independent vendors (a band could bypass the labels and list their content directly on iTunes). It could be possible for any band to list their songs on iTunes at a price they choose. And it could be done from the iTunes client. It really doesn't have to be very complicated. ...aaaand that's where I ran out of creativity for today. Thanks very much buddy. Now I have to work rest of the day without doing anything creative! ;)
  • This is huge (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:19AM (#12611699)
    Yep. This is huge. Or at least, I think so.

    The only trouble is that I have NO idea what podcasting is. Reading the article didn''t clued me in. Googling got me to: http://www.podcast.net/ [podcast.net], a very interesting web site, that does its best to NOT clue people in about podcasting. Of course wikipedia will tell me, but, hell, how difficult is it to put a single line in the /. post to clue readers in ?
  • Re:well.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by baryon351 ( 626717 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:22AM (#12611733)
    A rewrite to fix the numerous little annoying bugs that were introduced in versions after 2.0. Things like lag on 500mhz G3s when playing music and renaming tags, or sporadic pauses, dumping the clumsy parts of the old interface - just making the same old app work how they should have.

    Apple seem to be pushing ahead so quickly (and well I might add) in advancing really useful features, that sometimes the old small bugs just get forgotten, and it's only when they've accumulated over several versions that together they make an app annoying.

    (cue comments on the Finder now too)
  • Re:Reality Check (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bender0x7D1 ( 536254 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:23AM (#12611742)
    Podcasting is a fad. It is new (as in new buzzword), uses a cool technolgy (iPods) and gives people something to do. Remember (or have you heard of) the pet rock, the hula hoop, Beanie Babies and Tickle-me Elmo? People jumped on the bandwagon, spent a lot of money buying these items and then realized - "This isn't that fun, that great or that cool. Why did I think it was?"

    Just put up with it for 6 more months and all the hype will die down. If it doesn't, then just make sure your own podcasts are about how podcasts are lame.
  • by ObjetDart ( 700355 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:27AM (#12611768)
    While I agree it's not going to fundamentally change our lives, podcasting *has* fundamentally changed the way I listen to radio. By which I mean, it allows me to timeshift internet radio (there's basically no good FM radio where I live.)

    I get most of my new music by listening to KCRW (http://www.kcrw.org/online/ [kcrw.org]). Since they are on the west coast and I'm on the east coast, a lot of their music shows are at inconvenient times for me. So, I wrote a little program that downloads the shows I like (they broadcast in MP3 format), and then I can copy them to my mp3 player and listen to the show whenever and wherever I like. This has allowed me to go from listening to KCRW only occasionally to catching every single one of my favorite programs.

  • by Mean_Nishka ( 543399 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:32AM (#12611798) Homepage Journal
    The easier it gets to download podcasting content, the more likely people will actually listen to it. Including this functionality in iTunes will expand the audience and make it easier for average Joe computer user to sample of the content.

    It's only a matter of time before paid providers will see the value of this. Vidcasts (not podcasts) might be the killer app, but the media distribution has to begin somewhere :).

  • Re:Reality Check (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Billy the Mountain ( 225541 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:38AM (#12611865) Journal
    I'm not so dimissive. I think podcasting, even in it's current state, is cool. Just think how good it will be when some good content sources come on line. Personally, I find it a great antidote to a long commute. I've even considered developing my own podcasts teaching Perl, although I must admit it's pretty challenging thinking up useful content considering podcasts are all audio.
  • There are other products which can support the iPod, depending on the OS you use. Not sure on the Mac but with regards Windows:

    * With the normal iPods, there are various freeware apps including a good plugin for Winamp that let you control / update the iPod. Link for that here [winamp.com].

    * With the iPod shuffle, you can download a small freeware app which allows you to just drag and drop MP3 / AAC files onto the player and run the app to rebuild the database on it - nice and easy :) Link for that here [sourceforge.net].

    So no real need for iTunes unless you want to buy / convert music.
  • Re:Reality Check (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MindStalker ( 22827 ) <mindstalker@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:41AM (#12611896) Journal
    And the best Gem ever!
    http://www.cartalk.com/Radio/Show/ [cartalk.com]
    Car Talk is available through podcast.. Fad?
  • Re:well.. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MrNiceguy_KS ( 800771 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:54AM (#12612034)
    I've gotta say that the lack of ogg support is what keeps me from even considering an iPod. I'm in the minority, fine, I accept that. But as I see it, the question is not why, but why not?

    Why not give people another option? Why not support an established, open, royalty-free format? (And why should I have to re-rip all my CDs to either an inferior format (mp3) or a proprietary one (AAC))

    I realize that decoding Ogg Vorbis takes a bit more horsepower than mp3, but current iPods should be more than capable. The development costs would be a one-time expense.The only arguement I've ever seen is that few people use it. Well, Apple doesn't exactly have a history of ignoring the minority. The iPod was originally Mac only, after all.

  • by Luscious868 ( 679143 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @10:57AM (#12612062)
    I'm sure I'll take heat for admitting this on Slashdot, but I'm a fiscally conservative voter who listens to Rush Limbaugh because I tend to agree with him on those matters. Don't agree a thing with the right's social agenda, but couldn't agree more when it comes to conservative ideas on fiscal policy and limited government. No lectures on the shortcomings of the current Republicans, most of them are RINO's (Republican In Name Only) when it comes to fiscal policy and the idea of limited government. Anyway, Rush announced recently that in early June he'll make podcasts of his program available to subscribers. Love him, or hate him, he is the biggest name in talk radio and when he does something, others are sure to follow suite.

    On a similar note, I'm also a Tom Leykis fan, and since I live in a suburb of Detroit (and the only radio station that carried him moved the broadcast time to 3 am), I use replay radio to record a stream of a station in Seattle that carries him live in the afternoons. I think this whole pod casting thing is here to stay. There are a boat load of great radio programs out there that for one reason or another, I'd like to listen to all or part of but can't always do so.
  • by Senor_Programmer ( 876714 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @11:16AM (#12612225)
    Podcast is a great opportunity for radio archives.
    Say you run an independent radio station. College, community, what have you.

    You have a programming schedule and a good many interesting programs. For example the Atlanta local WRFG [wrfg.org] is a 50KW FM stereo community supported radio station that would be of interest to a much larger audience than local Atlanta.

    If WRFG were to make programs available as archives kept for a week and updated live and also make these archives easily available over 'podcast' they would benefit from a much larger audience and the additional donations that would come along with it.

    What's missing is an easy to navigate playlist for the archive that the program director can easily update through his preferred management software. There is some oportunity for OSS here for anyone willing to build features of the popular program management systems with archiving or interface to popular archiving software, and couple of clicks or automatic podcast site update. If Mr Jobs is sharp, he'll get his butt in gear to fund with his site as the default.

    There are a good many independent radio stations across the country offering 'different' programming that would also benefit.

    But, the biggest winners will be listeners.

    Radio is for the most part a one way medium so a bit of time shift doesn't matter to listeners. Take this, the CRAP that consolidation has replaced radio programming with, and adding in the simple, appliance like, user interface of 'podcasting' and you can't help but have a winner all the way around.

    There is also an opportunity for consolidating what used to be 'local' interest radio for podcast. The sources are still there, they just don't work for clear channel. Sure, the market for local programming is limited but it's there and much less expensive to serve than through station ownership.
  • by borschski ( 665381 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @11:26AM (#12612312)
    Why would Steve Jobs want to drive free content via iTunes? I consumed tons 'o tunes when I first got my iPod and starting last October have downloaded free content like mad -- so much so that I don't have enough listen-able hours in a day for all the stuff on my little white hard drive device.

    Here's the kicker and what Apple will have to wrestle with: my own 45 minute commute to work each way is often filled with IT Conversations [itconversations.com]and other 'podcasts' every day and I hardly listen to my own music library anymore.

    SUGGESTION TO APPLE: if Apple were to play it smart, they'd provider "podcaster guidelines" and how-to's that would do what they'd done with the UI (set the bar for quality and usability) as well as providing a way for podcasters to monetize their offerings. It could and would explode the users of Garageband and the Mac platform -- since most of the really great audio tools are there.

    WILD CONJECTURE: Oh yeah...if all the rumors are true about the next step for Apple is with a video-centric platform, it would position them nicely for all the vloggers to use iMovie, Final Cut, etc., for creating great video content.
  • by iainl ( 136759 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @11:32AM (#12612368)
    You mean "ITMS to use open formats". Every Podcast I've ever seen comes as a bog-standard unencrypted mp3.
  • Re:well.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by StrawberryFrog ( 67065 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @11:46AM (#12612520) Homepage Journal
    Nice theory, but if that's true, why does the iPod support MP3

    Apple did not create the digital audio player market, they entered it. A new digital audio player that doesn't play the massive existing base of MP3s would be deader than a three-week old kipper. I would have thought that was blindingly self-evident.

    adding another format that no one uses is hardly going to hurt them

    MP3s are the bait, iTunes is the hook. A migration from MP3 to ogg just doesn't fit into that business plan. In fact, it may work against it. Before iTunes, AAC was a format that hardly anyone used. Apple would love people to migrate from old, smelly, boring MP3s to new, shining DRM's AACs.

    I'd buy an iPod instantly if it could play oggs, but I'm under no illusions that this will happen anytime soon.
  • Re:Reality Check (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kitzilla ( 266382 ) <paperfrogNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday May 23, 2005 @11:50AM (#12612578) Homepage Journal
    The problem with podcasting is music licensing: if you put music on a recording and distribute it, you're liable for ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC royalties. And this is reasonable. The composers wrote the songs, joined the association, and deserve to be paid for their work.

    Who has the infrastructure to account and pay for this sort of stuff? Professional broadcasters, mostly.

    This assumes the music was written by an association composer. Perhaps you have some unsigned band that has granted you permission to use their material. You're clean.

    Beyond music, there's spoken word. Performances have value, but many of the podcasts I've heard were more akin to written blogs than produced audio programming.

    What Apple could do here, if they're so inclined, is to swing a podcast deal with their labels. Music purchased from the iTunes store would be licensed for personal use as it is now and non-commercial podcasting. If iTunes could be retooled to record voice-overs -- and it sounds if that may be coming -- you could build a podcast within iTunes and distribute it via Apple's music store. The podcasts would be playable through iTunes.

    Apple's motivation in this is twofold: it would encourage podcasters to use Apple's platform and purchase their library through the Apple Store, and the podcast songs would be clickable. Listeners could buy whatever they like as they hear it.

    It's a proprietary solution, but would finesse the licensing issue and make music podcasting more accessable.

  • TechTV Lives! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by slapout ( 93640 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @11:52AM (#12612587)
    Fans of the old TechTv show "The ScreenSavers" might want to check out Leo Laporte's podcasts. He makes his radio show available. He has also gotten together with some people from the old show and they do a podcast called This Week in Tech.

    http://www.leoville.com/ [leoville.com]
    http://thisweekintech.com/ [thisweekintech.com]

  • by useosx ( 693652 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @12:23PM (#12612961)
    I don't know about individuals' podcasts, but real radiostations are doing it too. It's the easiest way I know of to get time- and space-shifted radio shows.

    I totally agree. I can listen to the Democracy Now! Podcast [democracynow.org] anytime I want. On the subway, in the car, whenever. That means I can catch up on the events of the day during otherwise wasted time. This is huge for me. I repeat: otherwise wasted time affords me the opportunity to become a more informed citizen.

    Also, I visit a bunch of different new sites every day, and I find that the radio format is a much better way for me personally to take in information. I'm sure this is the same with many other people (but not all, of course). I get more out of listening to one Democracy Now! [democracynow.org] broadcast then I do reading a whole slew of print articles.

    And just because most self-produced stuff is crap, doesn't mean it will all be. Someone will come up with a smart way to filter the crap out. Someone always does.

    Furthermore, the arena is not just open to radio. Any kind of recorded audio--old lectures are also available. Say your favorite mathematician gave a famous lecture in 1986. Guess what? You can listen to it on the subway. Pretty damn cool if you ask me.
  • Re:well.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by prichardson ( 603676 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @12:41PM (#12613147) Journal
    First of all, the only DRMed AACs are from the iTunes Music Store. The ones you rip yourself are as DRM free as MP3s.

    Secondly, Apple wants people to use AACs because they sound better. People are going to rip their music as AACs (the default in iTunes) and it's going to sound better than music from P2P (almost all MP3s) and their non-iTunes-using friends. This is going to make them think "wow, maybe this Apple stuff really is better; I should tell all my friends" even if it's subconsciously, and then Apple wins.

    Finally, what's so great about OGG anyway?
  • podcasting torrents (Score:2, Interesting)

    by benow ( 671946 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @12:44PM (#12613209) Homepage Journal
    Podcasting is somewhat interesting.. simple, but polled... no different than rss, really. Major problem I found with it is the large hit on the server... a large file requires n times the size to download (where n is number of listeners).

    Torrent pod casting requires a more complex client, but eliminates the problem. Torrent is downloaded, then download of torrented (large media) file starts, distributing the download over the network. A torrent casting video podcast would be a thing of beauty, especially when paired up to a collaborative media metadata backend (ie dyn website). RSS torrents are already supported thru azureus, as is i2p anon transmission layer... tho configuring such a thing is tricky. There is much progression in the torrent space, all of which applies to subscribable torrents.

    A dedicated app (perhaps even re-packaging the azureus libs, large tho they are) would be quite useful, reducing the tech barriers. Further use optimization would be nice (ie the 'copy and paste rss url' must go... replaced with click to subscribe or, a standard selection of rss's from rss'd list of rss's which can be managed in app).

    Podcasts are interesting, but limited, don't rule out something based on the technology, tho, especially if made easier to use.

  • by johnrpenner ( 40054 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @12:53PM (#12613348) Homepage

    i enjoy podcasting every day. :}
    learning a language is tricky, and berlitz tapes are boring.
    downloading a three minute podcast each day is a great way
    to learn or keep fresh on a language -- the one i've been
    enjoying most is the way this podcaster from munchen
    uses language -- the musicality of it.

    annik rubens - schlafloss in munchen [annikrubens.de]

    what makes it so good for learning a language, is:

    1) because it is largely speech oriented, you get more
    dialogue to work with than regular radio which often uses
    dialogue as a seguay between musical segments.
    a three minute chunk is manageable for a daily thing.

    2) unlike live radio, you can rewind, and catch words
    and phrases that you missed.

    3) it stays fresh unlike stale old language learning tapes.

    podcasting really has opened up the language for me,
    because it can be hard to find good local speakers, and
    these are already encoded as mp3s so you can take it around
    on an ipod.

    in diese sinn...
    roland.

  • Two things:
    1. I recently had a slightly difficult time getting the webmaster of a popular Country artist site to understand that linking a MP3 to a website doesn't make that MP3 a podcast. He was initially insulted by my suggestion he include an RSS feed to make the file a true podcast. Fortunately, there were plenty of links at http://www.ipodder.org/ [ipodder.org] to share with him that showed him how RSS is the magic ingredient. It wasn't that he couldn't roll RSS code; he was a competent coder. He, like most of the public out there, was simply misinformed. Let's face it, RSS is wicked geeky and trying to explain it to somebody is often an exercize in futility (See the end of Josh's vlog on the subject [blogspot.com] - lesson #4). After all, isn't Really Simple Syndication such an obvious sort of technology that you wonder why somebody had to invent it in the first place? ;)

      But if you want to see how completely the public misunderstands just what the heck a podcast is check out Bill Gate's first podcast [microsoft.com] as an example. The MEDC site refers to it as a "Video Podcast", but on film they just call it a podcast, so if you are new to podcasting then this is what you are going to think a podcast is: a video broadcast via WMV. Obviously there's a slight problem here in that podcasts are audio enclosures via RSS and vlogs are video enclosures via RSS. One could argue that this is a simply an exercize in semantics, or one could argure that Bill & Co. are once again trying to embrace and extend a technology/term for their own purposes. But the main result is that the common guy isn't going to have a clue about any of this. He only knows what he is told.

      So, IMO, iTunes adding podcast support is a really good thing. This will help solidify the meaning of the word "podcast" before more confusion sets in. (Of course, if Steve & Co. are also embracing and extending...)

    2. As for podcasts being "Wayne's World for radio", sometimes that is the case. If I have to download another walk to the (backyard shed, park, bigwig meeting, etc) soundseeing tour on Daily Source Code [weblogs.com] I will scream, or just not subscribe anymore. Vlogs can be just as bad. I've seen some kid animate her Barbies in a sordid romance, a guy video tape his trip home from work, and somebody wash their dirty sink to music. Not winning content by any means. However, like anything out there, there is crap and there is gold. And then there's the whole realm inbetween. YMMV, but podcasts are turning out to be an alternative form of entertainment. Don't write them off before trying out some of the more interesting ones. I wouldn't recommend sampling them at random if you don't have the time or patience to filter out the dross.

      I know that tech podcasts get covered here a lot. Maybe some of you might enjoy these music podcasts:

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