CherryOS is dead! Long live PearPC! 118
trygvebw writes "Earlier today, an entry was posted on Arben Kryzeiu's blog, stating that he was stopping development of CherryOS. CherryOS was an application sold by MXS, inc, which was clearly an illegal rip-off of the open-source PowerPC emulator PearPC. CherryOS is dead, long live PearPC!"
Re:Nice.. but (Score:2)
To many in this industry, both are involved.
Might makes right (Score:2)
I notice the photographs on your website are 'Copyright Benjamin Kaufman 2004'. You will be just as meekly accepting if I rip those off and put them on my website as by myself then?
Didn't think so.
Re:Might makes right (Score:2)
What makes you think he took those pictures?
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Because they could only condemn themselves by doing so.
In attempting to go Open Source, they likely found how impossible it would be to hide a derivative work in the source code (you can't just rename variables, that's too easy to detect, and look for)
So, upon finding out how diffi
Re:Nice.. but (Score:2)
So, while Maui X-Stream has passed the product off to Arben Kryeziu, and he has said that it's not worth the effort, and he will not continue the product, they have still not released the source code for their products.
We will continue to push them legally until they have complied, and reconciliated their previous actions.
Notice his blog even only mentions QEmu as an alternative to CherryOS. Thanks guy,
great! (Score:3, Funny)
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reply to your sig (Score:2)
English gets it's own unique dialect for every 100 miles of travel. neighboring dialects are close, but when you travel 1000+ miles things get complicated, The basics are there but the phrases are not.
Re:reply to your sig (Score:2)
You forgot that the dialect can vary wildly within the same local. For example, have you ever tried talking to an "average" teenage girl? Not only do they say things like "like" and "ohmygod" way too much, but the FBI agents who come to talk to you afterwards will almost certainly speak in a completely diffe
Re:reply to your sig (Score:2)
Like ohmygod, people like don't talk like that all the like time?
Re:great! (Score:2)
Just stopping their release of the product does not absolve them of former infringements.
And what about VX30? (Score:5, Interesting)
The company still hasn't answered any questions about VX30 (possible GPL violation? [slashdot.org]). Does anyone have news/updates about this?
Check out Drunken Batman (Score:1)
Text of Arben's blog. (Score:5, Informative)
I decided that C-OS is not worth the hassle, not now or in the future. C-OS went to work without brushing its teeth or taking a shower, it was not ready.
Other current open source projects are progressing to the desired product; Qemu will soon support OS X and lead the way. Or maybe I am wrong and someone else will make a fast lead.
I love my Mac and would never switch back, sure I use my PC for work but that is just a bad habit that I am trying to get rid of. A friend of mine asked me why I am still creating software for Windows and that question is not getting out of my head. Oh yeah, I know - everyone out there who has their certain opinion about me will have their great comment hour right now. Its ok I expect that anyway.
Now what?
Don't know and won't know for a while.
I will go kite boarding or go fishing, get some air before I go back to my beloved square box. Tiger is great, amazing features and I love the hidden details. Don't know how Longhorn is going to compete with this OS now, would love to know what BG has planned for the future of Windows other than the marketing details.
What will change everything is WIFIMAX, wow it will be the first step into a security nightmare and communication dreamland.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:5, Interesting)
So you should, scum. Code that I wrote for PearPC was found in CherryOS, and you went along with the bullshit that it was only similar because it "ran the apple code".
You're a liar and a thief.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:4, Insightful)
You're a liar and a thief.
He's a liar, a copyright infringer and a plagiarist. He's not a thief.
I think he's scum too, but that doesn't change the nature of his actions.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
He stole code from one open sourced GPL'd project and put it into his closed project.
I call him a thief.
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Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:5, Funny)
v. stole, (stl) stolen, (stln) stealing, steals:
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
Did he or did he not take property? The code belonged to the developers. He had taken code that belonged to someone and else.
It's theft of intellectual property. Yes it's plagiarism as well. I consider plagiarism just another form of theft.
To steal doesn't imply that the victim no longer has something. It states that something was taken from them.
Bah! it's Saturday and I'm arguing semantics on Slashdot.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
So in most ways we agree. He is a copyright violator.
We just disagree on whether copyright violation is another form of theft.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:4, Interesting)
To the Anon Coward whose code was inappropriately copied, you have my sympathy.
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The theft vs. copyright infringement it is a matter of splitting hairs, sometimes by people trying to justify what the are doing.
The way I can see it is: someone having something that they don't have a legal right to have. To be honest, it sounds like theft to me.
Theft doesn't necessarily have to mean depriving the original owner. A person could steal
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
This is partial BS, copyright infringement and theft are legally different, and used to be tought as philosophic and legal different in terms of what occures, although tought as wrong together, but the fact that they are different is important to the debate because of the fact that the events that occure in each crime (which can be, and to alot are both equally wrong) differ,
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
That is lacking. I can build something in my garage with my tools and my materials that infringes on a patent that I was honestly unaware of. Under the law, I don't have the legal right to have such a thing. Yet what did I "steal" from anyone? You might say that I stole the use of the patent, but as I mentioned, I didn't use the patent -- I unwittingly infringed on it. And
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
That statement made no sense. When that hypothetical person took that car out, for that time being they DEPRIVED the owner of the use, regardless of if he/she was using it. Either way theft requires some sort of loss, and your example further seems to suport that stance.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
I agree that the motive is frequently self-justification, although sometimes its more abstract, such as a challenge to the primacy of the concept of property per se vis-a-vis freedom, but it is hardly a matter of splitting hairs whether the owner keeps the original or not: it is a matter of great importance, especially to the owner!
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When writing software, you're essentially writing down your idea on how to make the computer work. Someone else may want to make a similar idea on how it works. They may even want it to do exactly the same thing as you want to do but that still doesn't make it a piece of "property". It makes a copied idea.
Now if they were to remove your name from it and put theirs on it and claim they wrote it, then its f
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Yeah, but unless you can prove it has happened, IE You don't have the mp3/movie anymore, then I doubt that theft can be factually applied here, but instead see it only used emotionally.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
So as long as you are not caught it is okay... So if someone copies a huge chunk of GPLd code and sells it as their own.... As long as no one finds it then it never happened....
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
No, just that the crime is not nessecarily theft philosophically (succesfully argued against calling it theft) and never theft under law, but always wrong either way.
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That is one question that varies from personal morals/opinions of one person to another. I personally think it is only morally "better" in certain cases, equally wrong in other cases, although they are still different crimes in terms of what happens. Just my personal opinion it is.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
Look, I don't like what he did either, but if " theft of intellectual property" exists, then why are pirates not in jail for this, or being prosecuted for it? Simple, the guy commited a copyright/GPL violation. Yes he was wrong, but the crime is not any form theft but instead an infringement. Legally those who pointed it out are correct. Nothing was really "anek" merely copied, and the supreme court ruled piracy and copyright infringement a crime, but not theft.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
"1 : to get into one's hands or into one's possession, power, or control: as a : to seize or capture physically b : to get possession of (as fish or game) by killing or capturing c (1) : to move against (as an opponent's piece in chess) and remove from play (2) : to win in a card game d : to acquire by eminent domain"
In every definition of take there is either a direct requirement or implied requirement that in order to "take" you have to "take away" something. Cut-paste take
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:3, Insightful)
There is no such thing as "intellectual property" except as a bad metaphor. Ideas are not the same as real estate or physical objects.
There are legal entities of copyright, trademark, and patents. Violating these may be illegal, but is not theft, it is infringement of the copyright/patent/trademark.
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Now I now you can say "he took that code from pearpc", but this is simply not correct... he copied it.
While I get tired of
Just because it's in every day usage, doesn't mean it's correct.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
If I copy something, you still have it. So nothing has been taken from you.
I'm not saying that what this joker did was OK, I'm saying that it's not called "stealing".
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
I suppose though , plagerism could fall under the bracket of theft(pure semantics)
Its seems rather silly to me , All he would have needed to do would be to return changes and provide source code
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
He stole code from one open sourced GPL'd project and put it into his closed project
I call him a thief
sorry, the original sourcecode was never stolen. (if it was, you wouldn't be able to download it at the pearPC website).
The GNU shouldn't be used in the same sentence as the word free. The free software foundation is just as bad as the BSA. Instead, however, they make their money off of GNU violations than companies that have installed commerical software illegally.
software freedom is the
*cringes* (Score:2)
Gollum: And a murderer!
Smeagol:
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
The word you're looking for is "plagiariser" or "plagiarizer" probably if you hail from the far side of the pond.
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:1)
Can't you see the hints in his writing style? Can't you understand that when you ravenous mad foaming at the mouth dogs came for him he dug in his heels and kept at it?
This kid is NOT scum. He isn't half the villian you losers make him out to be. I feel bad for him. He obviously has *some* talent. No one has suggested to him to help w
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Arben Ain't A Kid (Score:3, Insightful)
Arben seemed to be doing just fine until he pulled this cheap stunt. I'll bet a lunch at L&L Drive Inn that Jim told Arben to pull the plug on this Cherry thing, once he realized that the bad PR threatened to shit-stain his busine
Re:Text of Arben's blog. (Score:2)
Making a mistake and lying about it gets a lynch mob.
Hopefully, others will see the example made of him and make an effort at leading an honest life.
Consider his comments in light of costs (Score:2)
Or to rephrase: "I decided that even though I spent millions of dollars and several years of my life building this product, the moment I was challenged by these horrible guys that want to ruin me by claiming I stole their
Shame (Score:1)
The same could have been true here, if MXS had been a bit more open and honest. After all, the GPL does not prevent you from charging money.
As it is right now, PearPC seems pretty dead. By now, Qem
Re:Shame (Score:2, Interesting)
It would be a much smarter developer who could get Mac OS 9 booting on an emulator. Why bother emulating what's essentially Just Another Unix, when you can run something truly unique and elegant that you can't get anywhere else.
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Actually it has been ported!
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While SheepShaver presents itself as a MacOS environment, it is plainly says on the site that "There is also a built-in PowerPC emulator for non-PowerPC systems."
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Actually, I do run Linux distros on a couple x86 computers running as servers and other network machines that run Linux, but I control them using a Mac, so I get a great GUI desktop interface and still have compatibility with Unix software.
Re:Shame (Score:2)
What i find to be the charm of OS X is the coupling of a great unix core with a charming GUI and the applications therein(naturaly also the frameworks aswell)
If all you care about is the unix base in os x then opendarwin is progresing steadily ( http://www.xdarwin.org/about/ [xdarwin.org] may also be of intrest)
Re:Shame (Score:5, Informative)
PearPC happens to be very much alive and alot of work is still actively being done on it...
see: PearPC.net [pearpc.net]
Re:Shame (Score:2)
Besides, unless PearPC sees some hefty speed improvements, it won't be terribly useful no matter how "alive" it is. 15x slower than host? At that speed it will be years before PCs are fast enough for PearPC to be used by regular people to run their favourite OSX apps, and by then Apple will have something else out that people will want to run.
I also don't understand why
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PearPC Downloads
I happen to use PearPC on a daily basis and would say that it has achieved somewhere around 10x slower then the host. It is getting faster. True the "official releases" haven't been updated in a while, but I promise you ALOT of work is still going on.
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If you saw a product that was clearly a rip-off of yours, you'd hold onto your new developments too.
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And why did any of this prevent news updates?
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Wasn't ready??? (Score:2, Insightful)
Apparently, he means that he couldn't dress up an open source project enough before violating the copyright. Strange justification for stopping. Or maybe his potential customer realized that they were dealing with a crook and the 'worth' evaporated.
...what? (Score:1)
What ever happened to that?
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Why isn't the legal case moving forward anyways? (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Why isn't the legal case moving forward anyways (Score:5, Insightful)
With the demise of CherryOS , most likely from the presure of the aligations, We can rest easy for now . It may not be an ideal victory , but a victory non the less
It atleast shows that the community and the GPL are begining to hold alot more sway
Re:Why isn't the legal case moving forward anyways (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Why isn't the legal case moving forward anyways (Score:2)
I look at it like this..
He has given into the presure of the community with only the threat of using the lawyers , This says alot about the percived strength of GPL in a legal setting
SCO on the other hand struck first attempting to exploit the GPL with patent litegation and license fees, Legal action here was unavoidable and was used (Rightly so).
Perhaps i am being a little soft here
I agree He should be made to comply with the GPL and
Re:Why isn't the legal case moving forward anyways (Score:2)
Anyways, as a development community, we weren't spending really any time working on this issue, at least not development time. Though, I still intend to see this issue dealt with properly, and in court if it must.
Not when they are repeat offenders, however (Score:2)
If it's a one-time offender you might not want the hassle of persuing them. If they're repeat offenders and just keep trying to get away with ripping off other people's code, they need to be nailed (perhaps the PearPC and other developers who have had their GPL product violated can band together against these scummy ripoff artists).
What about the code they ripped off? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What about the code they ripped off? (Score:2, Insightful)
Post in his lounge - some tips! (Score:1)
However, when I tried to post a message, it gave me some lame error message (I think related to an invalid SQL query). But I found that if you write the message in the Name field (the very top input field), and leave the message empty, it posts fine. You might also want to use a public proxy server, since you can only post one message per hour per IP address.
The pressure must have gotten to him/them (Score:1)
Stopped? (Score:1)
I thought they were going opensource (Score:1)
Good news, one less parasite. I know it's against Apple's business model, but I wish they'd allow usage of MacOSX on PearPC officially, it's a damn useful too to get PC programmers introduced to the Mac at no cost (the mini is cheap, but still an expense). Hey Apple, it's in your long-term interest to get more applications on OSX
Cartoon miniat
Re:uhh.... (Score:2)
It's always been a direct rip off of PearPC.
Slashdot Posters are getting weirder and weirder and less cohesive everyday.
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