Apple Announces Tiger Release Date 981
GatorMarc writes "Well, it's official. Tiger will be released into the wild on April 29th with more than 200 new features, including Spotlight, Dashboard, Automator, VoiceOver, Safari RSS, Core Audio, and Core Image." Additional commentary available on ThinkSecret and MacWorld.
Reviews? (Score:3, Interesting)
Crap (Score:4, Interesting)
Mac Mini update? (Score:4, Interesting)
Adieu to Tray-Load iMacs (Score:4, Interesting)
Java 5 (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Can't Wait (Score:1, Interesting)
I should get this as a free upgrade.
Don't forget Core Data... (Score:3, Interesting)
The other feejurs, imo, are just fluff. Unless they've sunk some serious improvements into mail, ical and iphoto.
I don't want MORE features, I want the features they're shipping to be developed beyond vestigial buzzwords (re: OpenDoc in the OS 8 era).
Re:Crap (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Crap (Score:1, Interesting)
By all means do this. Customer service calls cost Apple money, probably more than it costs to send you a free copy, if you call they may just give it to you to get you off the phone.
You'd be amazed what you can get away with just by calling customer service and asking for it.
bonjour? (Score:2, Interesting)
nom de plume or nom du guerre?
(pardon my unpardonnáble french...)
Re:I've ordered mine :) (Score:2, Interesting)
I haven't heard of this before so I thought I'd drop a note about it.
Re:I use x86 PC myself... (Score:3, Interesting)
> to get off their asses.
Why - do you predict that the hundreds of millions of Windows PCs are now going to be migrated to this week's Apple product?
iPhoto, iMovie removed? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:lame naming scheme (Score:3, Interesting)
Upgrade or clean install? (Score:4, Interesting)
It's well settled in the windows world that an upgrade of the os is only done as a last resort - the first option is backing up, doing a clean install, then importing all your data. Is the same true for OSX, or will just upgrading tiger be the same as a clean install?
I finally have everything tweaked on my mini and would hate to have to reinstall all my apps etc. TIA.
Re:I just called too.... (Score:3, Interesting)
So it sounds like they'll be offering the upgrade on most computers bought this month, possibly?
Re:Mac Mini update? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Core Data (Score:5, Interesting)
It will cut my development time by days and I'll be able to have a prototype out the door in a week. I really love the way it hooks into Interface Builder so that even during the dev stage, you can just lob a view to your data in there, and see how you think it will work best for the user.
The fact that you can save to something like sqllite means that it will be trivial to slap a web front end on your app as well.
Re:Still under NDA (Score:3, Interesting)
I suspect you might have seen a bogus "review."
Tiger is a great OS. But the development builds are not fast.
Re:Apple envy (Score:5, Interesting)
So, the problem with service packs is that they aren't real upgrades--they're just patches, bugfixes. A good example is the Windows Firewall--why wasn't it turned on in the first place? And yet Microsoft issuing a service pack to turn it on is an upgrade?
Anyway, just my opinion.
FINK with Tiger? (Score:5, Interesting)
Ah, but there's no benefit going to 64-bit... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I've ordered mine :) (Score:1, Interesting)
Get the Mini (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Apple envy (Score:1, Interesting)
At that point MS was arguable ahead, and Apple was muddled. Now Apple has a nifty new OS, and can play catchup with many features.
The issue really is that all MS effort has to go into maintaining the desktop monopoly, while all Apple effort goes into being cool. For certain people being cool is more interesting than being massively conformist, though nearly everyone wants to conform to some degree.
Re:DVD (Score:5, Interesting)
Can Mail.app finally subscribe to IMAP folders? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:H.323 in ichat (Score:2, Interesting)
Yeah, I mean if I have two machines on a subnet, I should not have to go through a separate server just to videoconference. The two computers should just "see" each other and do some sort of peer-to-peer networking auto-discovery so I could chat that way.
Oh...
Wait...
iChat already does that?
Then Apple should set up a free service in case I am not on the same subnet. Or at least farm that out to another company. But definitely keep it free.
Oh...
Wait...
iChat already does that?
AOL IM accounts are free, and anyone can get one. I am not sure what your complaint is. To do video conferencing over the Internet, you are going to need a central server (for now) with accounts. Apple says you can use either a
Re:Dashboard (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Adieu to Tray-Load iMacs (Score:1, Interesting)
Recently bought, definitely upgrading (Score:5, Interesting)
My experience with OS X has been nothing short of amazing. I look between my Mac and my XP machine and wonder why the heck I'm using the latter, when the former is more stable, easier to work with, and generally a hell of a lot more slick. Everybody who's come by has looked at it and scoffed, but when you sit them in front of it and have them play around, most people are sold on the things.
Re:Developer Perspective (Score:3, Interesting)
You're never, ever going to choose between Xcode and Visual Studio. Ever. You're never going to sit down and ask yourself, "Gee, should I use Xcode or Visual Studio?" Instead, you're going to have made some other decisions like "Should I write this program for the Mac or for the PC?" and those decisions will dictate whether you use Xcode or Visual Studio.
So comparing the two makes no sense whatsoever.
The only possible motivation for anybody to want to compare them would be to come to the conclusion that one or the other sucks, which is just childish nonsense.
You assume a fair bit here. Actually, I am choosing between XCode, Visual Studio and various other development environments right now. I would like to learn some new languages and techniques, and I'm interested in both XCode, Visual Studio and other very very different "environments" like "Processing" (web site [processing.org]). I have both PCs and Macs, and with MSDN Universal (from work) there's no cost differential between XCode and Visual Studio. I would just like a comfortable dev environment for my own personal programming projects. I got as far as running some XCode wizard (the screensaver one I think) and couldn't quite see how to do stuff in C++. I'm familiar with Visual Studio 6.0 for C++, but not Visual Studio.NET, so there would be a fair bit of relearning even if I chose the Microsoft platform. I had a quick look at Processing last year and that seems like fun, and if I have to learn something, why not something completely different like that.
If I decide to go the Java route there are a bunch more alternatives and once again PC vs. Mac is an issue, but for my own personal projects I use whichever I want as the mood takes me (my most recent project was in C++ using raw Xlib for graphics on SPARC/Solaris).
Re:Core Data (Score:4, Interesting)
If so, YIPEE...if not, ok...
Re: Apple envy (Score:4, Interesting)
so yeah, right now a better way for me to increase my happiness in my mac is not to buy tiger, but to buy path finder as replacement for the finder.
anyways.. my question was not just flaming away on how crappy the finder is right now... I posed the very valid and important question: IS FINDER ANY BETTER IN TIGER?
The un-sung hero - TextEdit (Score:5, Interesting)
Already better than WordPad or Notepad (primarily because you can operate either ina normal or rich text mode), it has a lot of great enhancements - you can read Word files more easily (I think it comes with table support now and can read XML files saved out by Word), you can do bulleted lists, and even better you can save as HTML with CSS support! So Tiger now has a nice and very simple HTML editor included.
TextEdit could probably handle something like 80% of the documents people ever work on now.
Dashboard, Speech, and a PVR (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Family Pack Still Exists (Score:3, Interesting)
*exits 2nd grade playground*
In reality, Apple's decision to not be total bastards with regard to it's OS registration/usage/upgrading/, etc... is that it's mainly a hardware company. Microsoft is a software company. Too add, Microsoft can be bastards about making those extra bucks, because the vast majority of the entire world's user base is using it's software. It's just far too good to pass up because pissing off your customers while being merely "fiscally responsible" won't hurt them that much. They will gain far more than they could ever possibly lose, in other words.
Apple, however, is in the hardware business (That is, as far as the OS goes. To my knowledge, Apple only sells one app [apple.com] over $999). The more people that are using their machines with the latest OS the better for them. Throw in the hippy free-loving attitude of its users (along with Apple's knowledge of that), the fact that they only hold 3% of that user base (no need to stifle it any more!), and the explanation is even clearer.
I don't know. I realize the damaging effects of piracy. I would never condone it and often criticize others for it. I merely wished to point out that many Mac users have been swapping and installing OS's on machines since the beginning of the platform. And believe me, Apple knows it. You couldn't possibly make it as easy as it is to install on more than one machine (there isn't one technical reason that stops anyone from doing so, not one. No serial number, nothing. Just install anywhere, anytime) without realizing it. I think Apple rides a very fine line, and is good at it, by charging what they do for their updates.
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Re:Recently bought, definitely upgrading (Score:2, Interesting)
I chose options on the phone to get my in touch with a real live human being instead of a recording and Apple is sending me Tiger next day shipping for FREE. (I probably should not have mentioned the free part). They do treat their customers well.
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