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GatorMarc writes "Well, it's official. Tiger will be released into the wild on April 29th with more than 200 new features, including Spotlight, Dashboard, Automator, VoiceOver, Safari RSS, Core Audio, and Core Image." Additional commentary available on ThinkSecret and MacWorld.
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Apple Announces Tiger Release Date

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  • From ThinkSecret: (Score:0, Informative)

    by larry2k (592744) * <larry2k@mac.com> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:43AM (#12211652) Homepage
    Tiger costs $129 and has finally invaded Apple's online store, where Apple is offering free shipping along with guaranteed delivery by April 29. As with Panther, a "Family Pack" version suitable for installing on up to 5 Macs in the same house is available for $199. A promotion is also being offered with iLife '05, iWork '05, and Tiger for $249.
  • List of New Features (Score:5, Informative)

    by ckswift (700993) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:44AM (#12211667)
    Here is the entire list of the 200+ New Features:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeature s.html [apple.com]
  • Re:Mac Mini update? (Score:5, Informative)

    by the_2nd_coming (444906) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:44AM (#12211670) Homepage
    core image is an API... it will use the fasted thing on your Mac to do the rendering work.. if you have a 128 MB GFX card but the processor will get the job done faster, then it will use the processor.
  • by Thu25245 (801369) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:44AM (#12211673)
  • by MBCook (132727) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:45AM (#12211681) Homepage
    Just a quick note that despite some rumors, the family pack still exists.
    • 1 Copy - $130
    • 2 Copies - $200 (Save $70)
    • 3 Copies - $200 (Save $200)
    • 4 Copies - $200 (Save $330)
    • 5 Copies - $200 (Save $500)

    What a deal for multiple computer households. I can't wait. I just wish the free update for new Macs was retroactive to January's announcements.

  • Re:Crap (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:46AM (#12211699)
    According to this [yahoo.com] there will be a $9.95 upgrade available for Macs bought after April 12. So, unless you can swing something special on your own, you are not on the "official" upgrade path.
  • Re:Java 5 (Score:4, Informative)

    by qwertphobia (825473) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:48AM (#12211708)
    The rumor sites are saying Java 5 is on the way also, as a separate update. This way older applications have a better chance of working on an out-of-the-box Tiger install.
  • by kajoob (62237) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:51AM (#12211742)
    I ordered a mini last friday, so I just called and spoke to the Apple CSR. She said any mac purchased before the announcement won't ship with Tiger and she told me about the up to date program ($9.95) upgrade. HOWEVER, it did not take any arm twisting to get her to take $10 off the purchase price of the mini so it's like I'm getting Tiger for free. Give it a try...

    Apple Customer Service
    1-800-676-2775
  • by Rosyna (80334) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:52AM (#12211751) Homepage
    You'll still get full hardware acceleration for Core Image. It'll use whatever hardware you throw at it. If the GPU can't do it all, then whatever it can't do will be handled by the AltiVec unit(s). CoreImage is heavily optimized to the extreme max!
  • Re:Java 5 (Score:5, Informative)

    by XenoWolf (6057) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:53AM (#12211761) Homepage
    According to http://developer.apple.com/java/faq/ [apple.com] Java 1.5 is available to download for Tiger, albeit as a "Developer Preview" - still it's there, and will be coming soon for full release
  • by bats (8748) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:54AM (#12211776) Homepage
    Tiger finally provides 64-bit apps, right? Not quite. In their 64-bit apps overview document [apple.com], Apple slips in the bad news. Neither the Carbon or Cocoa APIs are 64-bit, so no graphics apps can be 64-bit. Their solution is to create a 64-bit command line app and wrapper it with a 32-bit frontend, communicating through pipes, shared memory, etc.

    While that's all well and good and the Unix Way, its disappointing that graphical apps should be hamstrung in such a way. If you need big memory access and OpenGL, you've got quite a few hoops to jump through. As a linux weenie who made the switch, I'm saddened by crumbs we keep getting as Apple strings us along towards 64-bit land. Linux has been 64-bit for a very long time now and even Microsoft's 64-bit XP is fully 64-bit including graphics.

    At least my G5 is still the 'world's fastest personal computer'.
  • by chasingporsches (659844) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:58AM (#12211803)
    this was in panther, and i believe jaguar. if you have a tablet, even the cheap 4x5 wacom which is what i have, you can use all of inkwell's features already. a "Ink" option shows up in the system preferences once you plug in a tablet. i dont use it, though. its rather finicky, and considering my tablet isn't the same size as the screen, it overcompensates for the size and so a small letter written on my tablet becomes huge and its hard to use.
  • Still under NDA (Score:5, Informative)

    by kuwan (443684) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:58AM (#12211810) Homepage
    Well, considering that it's still under NDA you're probably not going to see a lot of reviews on it. Or, you may see a lot of reviews that will then quickly disappear courtesy of Apple Legal. I did read a good one that I can't find right now (it was probably taken down) where the reviewer said that he couldn't go back to Panther after using Tiger. Tiger, even though the version he had was a little buggy, was so much faster than Panther that he'd rather live with the bugs than give up the speed. I think he was using either an iBook or a PowerBook.

    Anyway, some real tests need to be done, but it's looking good so far.
    --
    Join the Pyramid - Free Mini Mac [freeminimacs.com]
  • Re:Please explain (Score:5, Informative)

    by Khakionion (544166) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:01AM (#12211842)
    Well, I hate to present your trolling with these pesky facts, but Apple Automator [apple.com] will definitely help with improving productivity.
  • Re:bonjour? (Score:5, Informative)

    by GizmoToy (450886) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:02AM (#12211853) Homepage
    Yea, Apple got sued by another networking company (sorry, can't remember the name off-hand) that owned the rights to the name Rendevous. Part of the settlement was that Apple change the name of its zeroconf implementation. They chose the unfortunate-sounding backup name Bonjour.
  • hot damn! (Score:2, Informative)

    by circusboy (580130) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:02AM (#12211855)
    the graphing calculator is back!
  • by ghutchis (7810) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:02AM (#12211859) Homepage

    What's the problem? If you go to "Advanced" settings for an IMAP account, there's a box that you can check for:

    "Automatically synchronize changed mailboxes"

    Works OK for me...
  • Re:Mac Mini update? (Score:4, Informative)

    by rylin (688457) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:03AM (#12211860)
    The thing is, CoreImage won't use the 9200 at all
    When a programmable GPU is present, Core Image utilizes the graphics card for image processing operations, freeing the CPU for other tasks. And if you have a high-performance card with increased video memory (VRAM), you'll find real-time responsiveness across a wide variety of operations.


    Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

    * ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
    * ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
    * nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
    * nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    * nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL
  • by ioErr (691174) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:03AM (#12211872)
    Firewire isn't a requirement in itself, but rather an easy way to tell the age of a computer. Any Mac too old to have shipped with firewire is too old to be supported by 10.4
  • New Feature: XGrid (Score:2, Informative)

    by Chi Hsuan Men (767453) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:03AM (#12211877) Homepage
    From the Mac Website:

    Xgrid takes advantage of the power of distributed computing with Xgrid, Apple's easy-to-use tool that turns a group of Macs into a supercomputer.

    Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of these... ...wait a minute.
  • by GizmoToy (450886) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:04AM (#12211886) Homepage
    I just mentioned this in another post, but Apple got sued by the rights holders over the name Rendevous. Part of the settlement included renaming the technology. Rendevous and Bonjour are the same thing, with different names.
  • Re:Panther Upgrade (Score:3, Informative)

    by KillerDeathRobot (818062) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:04AM (#12211888) Homepage
    Have you called Apple? They very well might be willing to give you a free or cheaper upgrade, especially if you tell them your little story.
  • by GizmoToy (450886) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:06AM (#12211908) Homepage
    The new versions of iLife and OS X are included on all new machines. iLife split off from the OS a revision back (Panther). This is nothing new.
  • by fracai (796392) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:10AM (#12211951)
    a preview is available to developers and it'll be available to all at a later date
  • Re:Department (Score:2, Informative)

    by stratjakt (596332) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:11AM (#12211958) Journal
    Zonk is one of those "Xtreme gamer d00ds" who probably has one of those vinyl devil may cry skins on his PS2, so he can post pics to various modder forums.

    More appropriate would have been D, DF, F+high punch or high kick for a "Tiger!" energy wave.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:12AM (#12211977)
    The upgrade from Jag to Panther was completely painless, and I assume Tiger will only be that much easier. You absolutely will NOT have to format...as a longtime Mac user, I can assure you that's an exclusively Windows practice. I've never reformatted a Mac's disk to upgrade an OS, and never had problems that I didn't cause ;P
    Just do an upgrade, and make sure to select the option that lets you preserve your current home directory and system settings. The Dock may rearrange itself, but you shouldn't see any other major changes.
  • Re:Panther Upgrade (Score:3, Informative)

    by TheRaven64 (641858) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:12AM (#12211978) Journal
    I bought my PowerBook a couple of weeks before the Panther announcement. The terms of the Panther upgrade were the same as the Tiger upgrade - free for anyone who bought a system after the official announcement. I went to the Apple site and filled in my purchase date and AppleStore order (before the deadline), and they sent me a copy anyway. I suggest you try the same thing.

    Failing that, you have a 30-day money back guarantee with a new Mac, so you can always send it back and get a replacement with Tiger bundled (or just email / 'phone them and tell them that you are going to do this if they don't send you a Tiger upgrade, and see if they agree).

  • Re:Reviews? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Reaperducer (871695) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:14AM (#12211992)
    I have a 1.5 Ghz Powerbook, and a 500 Mhz iBook. I'll be upgrading both. A lot of Wintel-types will complain that $129 is too much for a point release. But there are a lot of reasons I'll be shelling out my $200 that haven't been covered on the rumor sites, and will work fine on the older iBook:

    - Preview now reads Adobe DNG images.
    - Preview now reads RAW images.
    - Built-in no internet connection needded dictionary.
    - Built-in language translator.
    - Built-in flight tracker.
    - Envelope printing from Address Book.
    - Fax status in the menu bar.
    - Built-in unit conversion.
    - Burn folders.
    - Preview slide show (the only reason I still keep Graphics Converter around).
    - Inline Safari PDF viewing (about time).
    - Wireless image capture.
    - Jabber IM support.
    - Firewall stealth mode.
    - Burn DVDs for other file systems.


    Unfortunately, some of the 200 new features that Apple claims on this page [apple.com] are duplicates, or things that were already implemented, like Bluetooth headset support (I've been doing that in Panther for almost eight months). But still, there are a lot of reasons to upgrade, even if you don't have the latest greatest hardware.
  • Re:Can't Wait (Score:3, Informative)

    by GizmoToy (450886) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:15AM (#12212004) Homepage
    Well, it is free but you have to pay for shipping, for which they charge $10 (a little steep, I agree). If you time your order so that your machine arrives after the 29th, Tiger will come inside the box (but not installed - I did this with Panther and my old PowerBook), no shipping required.
  • you should upgrade (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:16AM (#12212013)
    You should upgrade.

    It has been a strictly Apple phenomena that newer version of OS X run faster on old hardware.

    I wish this were true for any X86 OS.

    google for it. I have to go and pick my son up at daycare but you will find it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:17AM (#12212022)
    You could have inline PDFs with a plugin a long time ago, this is just native to the browser now, no need for a plugin/Acrobat Reader.
  • by D'Arque Bishop (84624) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:18AM (#12212043) Homepage
    Well, you're in luck. Mac OS X (as of 10.2) came with an upgrade option called "Archive and Install". Basically, what it does is it takes your old system files, puts them in a special folder called "Previous System", and then loads a clean copy of the new OS. During this install you're given the option of saving all of your old settings.

    That's actually the method I used to upgrade my Powerbook from Jaguar to Panther, and it worked almost flawlessly. (The only issue was that my Palm HotSync Manager stopped working, but a reinstall of the Palm software fixed that.) I'd personally say it's the best way to cleanly upgrade your system and maintain your current settings.

    If you want more info on Archive and Install (as of Panther), just click here [apple.com].

    Just my $.02...
  • With correct math (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:25AM (#12212120)

    Just to correct the strange math in the parent post:

    • 1 Copy - $130
    • 2 Copies - $200 (Save $60)
    • 3 Copies - $200 (Save $190)
    • 4 Copies - $200 (Save $320)
    • 5 Copies - $200 (Save $450)
  • DVD (Score:3, Informative)

    by mrpuffypants (444598) * <mrpuffypants&gmail,com> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:26AM (#12212130)
    Also interesting to note that Tiger ships on a DVD now. Is this the first mainstream OS to ship on DVD ever?
  • by As Seen On TV (857673) <asseen@gmail.com> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:27AM (#12212146)
    Good God, are you ever not a graphics developer.

    I'm gonna make this fast because I'm sick of writing the same comment in every Tiger article. Core Image is Apple's implementation of hardware-accelerated 2D image processing. It's comparable to SGI's ImageVision Library, which you should look up right now.

    Core Audio is a hyperlow-latency audio-processing framework.

    Neither of these things is in any way related to Direct X, Open GL, or any form of 3D programming.
  • Re:EDU pricing? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Rainbird98 (186939) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:36AM (#12212279)
    I just order through the Apple Store for Education. The pricing is $69.95 (plus tax) and shipping is free.
  • Re:Still under NDA (Score:5, Informative)

    by TylerL82 (617087) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:40AM (#12212326) Homepage
    The first half-hour of using Tiger might be noticeably slower because Spotlight's indexing the entire hard drive.

    After the one-time full indexing, files will be indexed as they're created on-the-fly.
  • by Secret Agent 99 (855215) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:40AM (#12212327)
    Careful with that "tray-loading" business: all iMac G4 models are tray-loading, and they're definitely supported.
  • Re:Reviews? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Scott Atkinson (207816) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:42AM (#12212378)
    I've been running one of the final pre-release builds on our PDP-11 and I have to say it feels faster than Panther.

    Of course, on such an old machine you wouldn't expect all the glory of Aqua, but I appreciate how Apple designed the OS to degrade gracefully. By default, Tiger comes up on our box at an sh prompt.
  • Re:Liger (Score:3, Informative)

    by MagPulse (316) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:47AM (#12212429)
    It was disappointing finding out ligers are real [wikipedia.org]. I tried getting him to do magic but he wasn't having any of it.
  • Re:JPEG2000 (Score:3, Informative)

    by Knobby (71829) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:53AM (#12212529)
    Preview.app has been able to export JPEG2000 images for at least a year now.
  • Re:Apple envy (Score:2, Informative)

    by brontus3927 (865730) <edwardra3@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @11:59AM (#12212628) Homepage Journal
    SP2 has a lot of patches and bugfixes (about 60), but it's a lot more than that.
    • The firewall isn't just turned on by default, it was improved. It has an advantage over a third party software firewall in that its turned on before the ethernet device and turned off after the ethernet device, so its on the entire time your connected.
    • Security Center is a centralized location to check status of firewall, anti-virus, and windows updates.
    • IE6 now has an add-on manager, blocks pop-ups, and monitors downloads to protect against downloading malware
    • Outlook Express has updated spam-blocking features
    • "out of the box" wireless support
    • Support for the NX bit. The NX bit has only very recently been available on a x86 platform.
    Since most of these cover things that weren't around yet or problems 10 years ago, it's disingenous saying that they should have been resolved 10 years ago.
  • by displaced80 (660282) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:03PM (#12212694)
    Basically, what you want is what OS X calls an 'Archive & Install'.

    This takes your /System/ folder, and your /Applications/ folder, and puts them in a compressed disk image called (IIRC) /Previous Systems/Previous System 1.dmg.

    Note, that your /Users/ folder can also be included in that image (if you don't check the 'Restore users' option).

    Then, when the OS installs, it replaces any items /Applications/ which are bundled in the OS, creates a new /System/ and (if 'Restore Users' isn't selected) a new /Users/

    The magic lies in letting it also restore your users. Your /Users/ folder is preserved. Remember that all your configuration is stored in that folder, so after the upgrade everything's set up exactly how you left it. /Library/ is also untouched, beyond what's replaced by the upgrade, so things like your network locations & settings are preserved.

    Because the filesystem is pretty strongly 'scoped', an archive & install essentially swaps out your current /System/ for the new one, updating the odd item in /Applications/ and /Library/ as required.

    You'll find it a very reliable process. There's rarely any need to re-initialise (think 'format') the entire drive. I'd recommend backing up /Users/ just in case, but your data and settings are pretty safe.

    I've only once started from a completely clean drive -- and that's because I replaced the system drive with a larger capacity unit. That's in 3 1/2 years of Mac use, upgrading (using Archive & Install) all the way from 10.0.3 to 10.3.8.

    Short story -- Archive & Install works very well indeed, and should do exactly what you're after. Enjoy the fact that the system enforces clear divisions between System, Applications, and User Data & Settings.

  • Re:Reviews? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:04PM (#12212698)
    Powerbook G4 : 1.25Ghz, 512MB RAM.

    On the build I have (8A425, one of the lasts if I'm not mistaken) it's actually a noticably bit faster. Some stuff hangs around a bit (especially when I start to log into the shares on my Windows box. Hopefully they'll fine tune the net stack, for some reason it seems to get bogged down. There used to be a massive memory leak in Tiger back in the WWDC release, where you couldn't be on wireless more than about 30 minutes until the connectivity sputtered out, but they've definately made some progress.
  • Info about Widgets (Score:3, Informative)

    by sammykrupa (828537) <sam@theplaceforitall.com> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:04PM (#12212705) Homepage Journal
    Here is a site devoted to OS X Widgets:

    http://www.dashboardlineup.com/ [dashboardlineup.com]

  • by Skidge (316075) * on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:06PM (#12212734) Homepage
    Order it through Amazon and you can get a $35 mail-in rebate for the single version or a $50 rebate for the family pack:

    Mac OS X 1.4 Tiger [amazon.com]

    Rebate Form [amazon.com]
  • They were cool (Score:4, Informative)

    by grahamsz (150076) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:22PM (#12212998) Homepage Journal
    I called their customer service and since i missed the cutoff by 1 h 45 min (since it's of course PST) they said they'll let it slide. I got a second email confirmation from them this morning with todays date on it :)

    Apple you rock :)
  • Re:FINK with Tiger? (Score:5, Informative)

    by vocaro (569257) <trevor@vocaro.com> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:29PM (#12213086)
    There shouldn't be any problem running 10.3 binaries on Tiger, and if not, Fink always gives you the option to build your own Tiger-specific binaries from source.
  • by diamondsw (685967) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:34PM (#12213147)
    If you want to avoid some apps breaking (like HotSync did), carefully merge the "Previous System/Library" folder contents into your new /Library folder. You have to know what's going on in there, but it's a lot faster.

    If you don't know what's in there, app reinstalls work just as well.
  • by apenzott (821513) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:40PM (#12213241)
    The CD-ROM Version is available by filling out this coupon [apple.com] and surrendering the DVD ROM and one upgrade coupon.

    (I don't know if the family pack is dual-media.)
  • Re:H.323 in ichat (Score:3, Informative)

    by fracai (796392) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:42PM (#12213278)
    using an AIM account from AOL connects you to the AIM server for text chat and then uses a direct connection for video or audio.
  • by apenzott (821513) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:45PM (#12213323)
    The CD-ROM Version is available by filling out this coupon [apple.com] and surrendering the DVD and one upgrade coupon.

    (I don't know if the family pack is dual media.)
  • by shawnce (146129) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:54PM (#12213441) Homepage
    I don't have a single problem running 64bit KDE on my AMD64 laptop. No silly restrictions and message passing required, plus your 64bit apps get a decent speed boost over their 32bit counterparts.

    Your 64 bit KDE does the same "silly ... message passing..." and that silly stuff allows developers to actually get software out to you in a timely fashion (abstractions, API, OOP, etc.).

    In the case of AMD64 and Intels clone the architecture gains new capabilities beyond just 64 bit integer math and addressing support. For example it gains additional registers that programmers can use. This results in the ability of 64 bit applications on AMD64 to actually run faster then a 32 bit equvalent (focus on just 64 bit pointers).

    In the case of PPC the architecture was designed from the start to support 64 bit and it always has had 4x the usable registers as x86 architecture and I believe close 2x what AMD64 supports.

    So the side benefit that you see with AMD64 doesn't take place with PPC since PPC already had it. The means that switching an application to 64 bit on PPC can actually degrade its performance since you have no side benefits coming into play to offset the loss do to having to pass around pointers twice as large (focusing on 64 bit pointers here because as of the G5/PPC970 Mac OS X application have been able to use 64 general and integer math, the later aspect of the G5 can greatly increase performance of some classes of application).
  • by FaasNat (522755) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @12:55PM (#12213460)
    Okay, I take that back. Reading through the comments, I came across a link to the page with Mac OS X's new features [apple.com]. On that page, I found this.
    HTML Message Composition
    Format newly composed email using HTML.
    Woohoo!
  • by elbobo (28495) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:11PM (#12213665)
    You're not using your tablet in mouse mode are you? You don't want it setup so that your tablet space is relative to your screen space. I forget what the other option is called, but you want that.

    I use OS X almost exclusively through my tablet and used Ink for "typing" when I first got my Powerbook. It worked fabulously, and the only reason I switched back to keyboard was because I finally realised that I can actually type faster than I can write.
  • Re:In in! (Score:5, Informative)

    by mrtrumbe (412155) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:20PM (#12213777) Homepage
    One more time: dashboard apps are html, css and javascript. Not "applets." Not "ActiveX-like." Html, css and javascript have about as much access to your local disks as...well, any other webpage on the internet. Which is to say: nearly none.

    Taft

  • by nsayer (86181) <nsayer@NosPaM.kfu.com> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:20PM (#12213789) Homepage
    I've only once started from a completely clean drive -- and that's because I replaced the system drive with a larger capacity unit.

    I've even upgraded to bigger drives without having to do a full install. Carbon Copy Cloner [bombich.com] will quite happily copy your boot disk to another drive that you can have sitting, say, temporarily in an external USB or FW enclosure. When it's done, you power off, replace the boot drive with the new one and you're done.

  • by shotfeel (235240) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:34PM (#12213962)
    Tiger doesn't, but having built-in Firewire is the easiest way to define the specs of the motherboard and supporting "chip set". Its easier than specifying a revision number or RAM type. Firewire ports are something you can see (or not) from the outside of the machine.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:35PM (#12213982)
    According to a story on MacObserver [macobserver.com], Apple is offering a limited time offer (expires May 31, 2005) to save $38 off the retail price of Tiger [apple.com], iLife '05 [apple.com], and iWork [apple.com] by bundling the products for $249.

    The offer is only available directly from Apple [apple.com].
  • by stang7423 (601640) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:43PM (#12214085)

    Your missing the point once again. 32bit UI is faster and that is what the average user will care about. This all doesn't mean that the application can't take advantage of 64 bit pointers. It just means that Apple's interface elements were not upgraded to use 64bit pointers. There are still methods for allowing these pro apps to use 64bits in their complex computation. My guess is that the pro apps will have a 32bit GUI that talks to a 64bit backend with something similar to what apple refers to as Shared Objects now. This way you have your 64bits for complex computation and your 32bit fast GUI, the best fo both worlds

    Remember: 64bits doesn't make computing 1+1 faster, but it makes computing (2^32) + 1 faster

  • by TheRaven64 (641858) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:45PM (#12214110) Journal
    There is more to DirectX than 3D graphics. Some rough (very rough) equivalents:
    • DirectAudio - CoreAudio / QuickTime / OpenAL
    • DirectPlay - OpenPlay
    • DirectShow - QuickTime / CoreVideo / CoreAudio
    • DirectInput - HID Manager
  • by Brad Oliver (604118) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @01:47PM (#12214151)
    Image Units are written in the OpenGL Shading Language. The only thing it has in common with Open GL is the name.

    That, and the fact that GLSL is part of OpenGL itself. ;-) Seriously, CoreImage uses OpenGL's GLSL/fragment program capability, it doesn't write directly to the GPU or bypass OpenGL or other nonsense. (I'm an OSX programmer, specifically games.)

  • by crovira (10242) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:05PM (#12214390) Homepage
    This 'over a lan' (specially a wireless LAN) implementation of ZeroConf is the great thing since sliced bread.

    Why don't I read more about ZeroConf here?

    I love being able to print to any printer that's hooked up to any machine.

    I love being able to get my tunes from and to any machine that's running iTunes (2 Macs and a Win2k, [my Linux box is deficient there.])

    RevdezVous is great use of the technology.
  • Re:In in! (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:05PM (#12214404)
    JavaScript is just a language. The object model exposed to it by the application execution environment it happens to be residing in can significantly change what it is capable of. In other words, it might very well be able to access system hardware and such if Apple chose to expose to it an object model that allows for same. (See also Jscript running under IIS in an ASP page for a current example of this.) HTML and CSS would then be just the display layer.
  • Re: Apple envy (Score:5, Informative)

    by MrBlackBand (715820) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:10PM (#12214468)
    ... and and to add to the insult that is finder is that you can't terminate it like a regular program...

    Yes you can. Just do a force quit (Command + Option + Esc), select the Finder, and click Restart. The Finder will terminate and restart.

  • Re:Core Data (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:20PM (#12214592)
    One question that I haven't got an answer to though. Will there be anyway to backport the functionality, any ADC Premeirs out there know if Core Data's .framework will be embedable and able to be targeted to pre 10.4 versions of OS X?

    Nope. Core Data, like Cocoa Bindings before, are the bait for developers. It's almost too good to pass up. So, you make your app only work on 10.4, giving people more incentive to upgrade, Apple wins, developers win, users pay ~130, but they still win.

  • by mveloso (325617) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:21PM (#12214607)
    Well, you might want to wait a bit and see how it shakes out. Check the early adopter reports on macintouch.com and macfixit.com to see what issues people run into.

    Unlike Windows, MacOS X upgrades tend to be pretty clean. If they go bad, though, they're catastrophic (FileVault, anyone?).

    These days, I tend to back up, clean-install everything, drop all my documents back, and reinstall my 3rd-party apps. But archive & install does work pretty well (I did that on another one of my Macs). The only reason to clean install is the upgrade process seems to use more disk space than a clean install (old files?).

    ENjoy!
  • Re:H.323 in ichat (Score:3, Informative)

    by Wesley Felter (138342) <wesley@felter.org> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:33PM (#12214778) Homepage
    To do video conferencing over the Internet, you are going to need a central server (for now) with accounts.

    No, you don't. Many pro videoconferencing systems use IP addresses to connect directly.

    Apple says you can use either a .Mac account or a free AOL IM account. What else would you have them do?

    Allow me to use my own server, instead of relying on Apple or AOL?
  • Re:In in! (Score:3, Informative)

    by argent (18001) <<moc.agnorat.6002.todhsals> <ta> <retep>> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:38PM (#12214855) Homepage Journal
    One more time: dashboard apps are html, css and javascript. Not "applets." Not "ActiveX-like." Html, css and javascript have about as much access to your local disks as...well, any other webpage on the internet. Which is to say: nearly none.

    That is unfortunately not true. They have access to your address book and other local data that it would be criminally negligent[1] if it were available from Safari-displayed web pages. Since I don't believe Apple is that stupid, I don't believe that they are just web pages.

    [1] I'm not speaking figuratively here, I mean someone should go to jail if they've screwed it up this badly after all this time...
  • by tim1724 (28482) * on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @02:46PM (#12214960) Homepage Journal
    So basically, the full potential of the G5 sitting in the consumer iMac and maybe the Power Macintosh won't be realized for quite some time. Damn, not even pro apps like FCP or Shake is going used it soon. That is a real disappointment because what's the point of having a 64-bit processor if it is not being used in the lifetime of the computer. I sure hope dual-core processors offer something better than this.

    Please note that "64-bit" encompasses two completely different things:

    • 64-bit integer registers and arithmetic operations on those registers
    • 64-bit pointers

    Note that you can already use 64-bit registers and do 64-bit math. This is more of a compiler issue than an operating system issue. (The only change needed to the kernel is to save the full contents of the registers on context switching, rather than only the low 32 bits.)

    What would 64-bit pointers give you if you could use them?

    • ability to address more than 4 GB of RAM from within a single application (how many applications need that much RAM?)
    • larger code size, resulting in greater memory usage
    • slower performance, because less code can fit in the L1/L2 caches
    • slower performance in low memory situations because you're more likely to have to page out more often.

    How many apps actually need to address more than 4GB of RAM at once? Usually they're only doing that if they are dealing with big files. A process using 32-bit pointers can do this using mmap() and if used correctly the kernel can load the whole file into RAM (if possible) and just adjust virtual memory tables so that the same chunk of 32-bit address space points at different parts of the file as needed. The app just has to make the right mmap() call to cause the kernel to shuffle around the virtual memory mappings to change which physical page is mapped onto which virtual page in that process's virtual memory.

    If you do need 64-bit addressing for some reason (although it's extremely rare for it to be actually necessary, nearly everything can just mmap() files instead), then fork off a separate process and let it do whatever needs to be done with that huge amount of RAM. Use your favorite form of IPC or shared memory to talk to that process.

    What does Tiger give us that's not already in Panther? Well, all apps will see some performance improvement as various system libraries now use 64-bit operations for arithmetic where appropriate. Processes using 64-bit pointers now have some important libraries available, most notably libsystem (Apple's combined libc and libm) which was not available for processes using 64-bit pointers in Panther. Not all libraries are available in 64-bit versions (Carbon and Cocoa, for example) but there's no good reason for them to be. There's no good reason for it. Apps run slower when using 64-bit addressing on current systems, so only those rare processes which really need the extra addressing space should be using it, and user interface code certainly doesn't fall into that category.

    Apple's information on 64-bit computing in Tiger is available here [apple.com].

    So you see, the full capabilities of your 64-bit CPU are being used. 64-bit math is up to the application writer to use the appropriate compiler options (and in Tiger the system libraries will also use 64-bit math internally) whereas 64-bit addressing is already used by the kernel (even in Panther) to handle virtual memory, allowing the use of more than 4 GB of RAM (although most processes will use 32-bit addressing and will thus be limited to only 4GB each).

  • Re:H.323 in ichat (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @03:18PM (#12215357)

    Allow me to use my own server, instead of relying on Apple or AOL?

    Well, then you could always buy a copy of Mac OS X Tiger Server. From http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/ [apple.com] :

    iChat Server

    To ensure secure instant messaging in your organization, Tiger Server enables you to host a private iChat Server that integrates with your existing directory services for user accounts and authentication. iChat Server uses the XMPP protocol popularized by the open-source Jabber project and SSL/TLS encryption to protect internal communications. And because it's based on open standards, iChat Server works with Tiger's iChat AV and with popular Jabber clients on Windows, Linux and PDAs.

  • Re:In in! (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @03:30PM (#12215521)
    Actually, they're both.

    Some widgets (like the address book) contain actual plug-in code for local data access and will display (but but access records) within the browser. I just tested this.

    Others (like the weather widget) are pretty much purely html, css and javascript and can display and work within the browser. Also tested.

    It appears that Apple has already thought of the security implications.
  • Re:Reviews? (Score:5, Informative)

    by JQuick (411434) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @03:41PM (#12215638)
    The shortest answer is Yes.

    A slightly longer answer is No, but you can effectively disable it by simply excluding all or most of your system from the spotlight database.

    The spotlight Preference Module contains a Privacy Tab. In this panel, you can add directories which are to be excluded from the index database. Presumably, adding / here would suffice to both save disk space and ongoing CPU costs. However, doing so broadly seems rather pointless. Certainly if you have confidential data on a network accessible volume you would be prudent to omit it. Likewise, if you have a subtree containing a large database, or collection of large files whose content is not usefully presented by spotlight, It might be worth excluding them.

    On the whole, though, the incremental cost of maintaining the index is trivial and is correlated to the addition/modification of the files. This, in most environments, is both sporadic and requires negligible CPU and disk resources. If parts of your workflow have a file access pattern which makes spotlight less valuable to you, simply tailor spotlight to meet your needs.

    Also, both system wide, and application specific spotlight queries are astonishingly efficient. Performing real time queries and displaying the results uses very little CPU and happens quite quickly. Even long queries (lasting seconds) do not appear onerous, since the result list is updated frequently as the search occurs, and incremental results are available.

    The user decides which kinds of data are displayed for searches, and can tailor searches to a subset of volumes or systems when multiple disk (and remote volumes) are mounted.

    Anyway, you can tailor the system to index less (or effectively nothing). Doing so, however, is unlikely to be of benefit. The system once primed appears so efficient that you would not save enough disk/time to make it worth your while. I suggest that rather than worrying about how to disable it to save processor cycles, you try it out for awhile and discover how it can save your brain cycles.

    Spotlight is not a specific function or program. Rather it is a pervasive system. The base system provides a daemon which creates an initial index of all files, and subsequently handles requests for updating new or modified files. This process runs heavily niced in the background. While you can access a general Spotlight query tool using Command-Space, the real benefit of spotlight is its pervasiveness. Use the spotlight tool in the Preferences app to find out where a particular setting lives. (Note that Windows converts searching for a Windows-centric name will be presented with the Mac-centric counterpart.) Likewise in mail, the finder, and other programs, spotlight is available to help you find the context specific data you seek. Since developers can easily create spotlight plugins to parse data formats and export metadata, expect that most future applications will integrate well with the system.

    It is important to note, that I found spotlight to be quite useful for a number of tasks, even though I only used it sporadically for testing purposes. Thus, I am inclined to be favorably biased towards it. On the other hand, I usually use a dual G5 Powermac and a fairly recent G4 17" powerbook. The fact that most of my use of spotlight was on a 400Mhz G3 powerbook suggests that my assessment of its efficiency is likely credible.

    As always your time and your mood are the only true measures of a software tool, not my opinion.
  • Re:Dashboard (Score:3, Informative)

    by tim1724 (28482) * on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @03:57PM (#12215804) Homepage Journal
    No haxie needed. The developer documentation for Dashboard includes a secret defaults key which enables exactly this behavior. It's still under NDA, so I can't tell you what it is, but look for it to appear on macosxhints.com as soon as Tiger is released. :-)
  • Re:In in! (Score:2, Informative)

    by k3v1n (262210) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @04:08PM (#12215957) Homepage
    Cocoa is also supported...
    If you need to dig deeper into the system, or if you need to tap into your own application to create a Widget that closely interacts with it, you can create your own Cocoa-based plug-in. These plug-ins work by providing a JavaScript object that's made available to the Widget.
    (from http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/dashboard. html [apple.com])
  • by mrchaotica (681592) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @04:33PM (#12216283)
    If the GPU can't do it all, then whatever it can't do will be handled by the AltiVec unit(s).
    That's called not being accelerated. "Accelerated" in this context means it actually uses the GPU. Otherwise, it would just use the CPU, which is merely called "computed" since it's running at normal speed. Since it can't use the Radeon 9200 (not enough programmability), it will use the unaccelerated CPU path. Do you understand what "accerated" means now?
  • Re: Apple envy (Score:3, Informative)

    by gl4ss (559668) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @04:46PM (#12216437) Homepage Journal
    the problems mainly manifest themselfs when you're browsing big directories, with thousands of files, through the network or when you're copying something over the network, or browsing some network drive and slam the lid shut and go on your merry way to bus or whatever and then open the lappy again somewhere else(no, doing this is not an user error and should be something that the os should cope with - it's apple after all), it doesn't cope well with having lost the drive(and for the record I've used samba for the sharing - equal has equally shitty, almost intentionally flawed, support for ftp but i won't even get there).

  • Re:Still under NDA (Score:4, Informative)

    by Y2 (733949) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @06:24PM (#12217576)
    An Apple engineer told us it took more than a day for his computer (single processor G4) to finish all the indexing of his stuff.

    I can "first-and-a-half-hand" report 2 hours to index about 55 GB on a powerbook. After that, it is indeed quite fast.

  • Re:In in! (Score:3, Informative)

    by argent (18001) <<moc.agnorat.6002.todhsals> <ta> <retep>> on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @08:37PM (#12218892) Homepage Journal
    Some widgets (like the address book) contain actual plug-in code for local data access and will display (but but access records) within the browser. I just tested this.

    Shit. We are going to be SO boned when people figure out how to fake out the Safari equivalent of security zones.
  • Re: Apple envy (Score:4, Informative)

    by astrosmash (3561) on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @08:37PM (#12218894) Journal
    ...has a habit for getting totally stuck is not acceptable(with network drives - and and to add to the insult that is finder is that you can't terminate it like a regular program...

    Well, that's a universal problem with any networked file system, including NFS and SMB.

    The problem (as I understand it) is that you have all these network file system calls happening in kernel mode; if one of these calls takes a long time to complete or timeout, the process is stuck in kernel mode and cannot be killed.

    The "no kill" problem happens on any OS, including Mac, Linux, and Windows. Try this on Windows: Open notepad, Select File->Open, and type \\google.com\foo. Notepad will hang for 5 minutes, and Task Mananger will not be able to kill it.

    Using a network file system over an unreliable network is very painful. I used to blame Windows for this, but it really is a universal problem.

    The unique problem with OS X is that there is only one Finder process, and most other applications depend on this process in some way. If Finder gets stuck in a system call and cannot be killed, your desktop becomes quite unusable. Microsoft has mitigated this problem somewhat in XP by running multiple Explorer.exe processes; it's harder to get the desktop and taskbar to hang, but it's still easy to lock up individual Explorer processes.

    I access network drives on my Mac all the time without any trouble. But you're right, if the network goes down it is perhaps more of a pain than it needs to be.

  • Re:H.323 in ichat (Score:3, Informative)

    by tim1724 (28482) * on Tuesday April 12, 2005 @10:05PM (#12219576) Homepage Journal
    Allow me to use my own server, instead of relying on Apple or AOL?

    The version of iChat in Tiger supports Jabber servers. (They're bundling a Jabber server in Tiger Server, in fact.)

    You only have to use AOL or .Mac screennames if you want to talk to the AIM server.

    On your local subnet you don't need any central server .. iChat can use Bonjour (formerly known as Rendezvous) to do peer discovery.

  • by harikiri (211017) on Wednesday April 13, 2005 @01:14AM (#12220683)
    The rendezvous implementation in iTunes is brilliant. Within the office I can listen to my workmates music library, and vice versa.

    In this type of office setup, it makes so much more sense to integrate rendezvous into anything that would benefit from collaboration, as your apps can see whoever else is running the app, and provide a dynamic way for finding and communicating with colleagues.

    I believe subthaedit (or another mac editor) already uses this to enable people to work on the same document/code/etc at the same time.
  • by kiddailey (165202) on Wednesday April 13, 2005 @03:08AM (#12221155) Homepage

    QuickSilver was written by an individual who orignally developed the app for himself and then decided to share it with everyone. I imagine he'll (some day) make it shareware, but it's free till then.

    Did you look at the Preview page? [blacktree.com] It gives a nice, simple explanation of some of the abilities of QS.

    But I digress :)

    The reason that it isn't described well is because it cannot be easily or simply described.

    Instead, let me give you a few details.
    • QuickSilver doesn't take up real estate. It sits in the background waiting for commands from you (mostly via the keyboard, but also via the mouse in some instances)

    • You activate QS with a shortcut key, it pops up with a text field.

    • You begin typing the name of the app or doc that you want to manipulate. Or, typing a command to activate a plugin (like '=' to signify you are typing a calculation)

    • When your selection comes up (usually after two letters or so), you can then choose an action to perform on that object. For example: Launch (for apps), Reveal, Rename, e-mail, move to [blacktree.com], delete, etc. (there are a ton of actions - you can make things defaults too)

    • Some actions also have further input you can provide (all without moving your mouse and all without having to navigate anywhere or launch other programs).

      For example, if I select a document on my desktop, I can pick "e-mail" then select from my address book who to e-mail [blacktree.com] (just by typing part of their name) and QS will launch mail, start a new e-mail and attach the file I selected. You can even FTP this way too [blacktree.com].

    • It is plug-in based [blacktree.com], so you can easily add other functionality. There are plug-ins available to even change the look of QS (I prefer the Spotlight style interface that pops up just under the menu bar). There's also plugins to allow you to control iTunes [blacktree.com], iChat, Adium and other apps via the keyboard. There's even a weather and calculator plugin.

    • It is adaptive and learns from how you use it - moving things around in the list so that frequently referenced items are selected more quickly.

    All that said, you cannot really understand how QuickSilver will improve your OS X experience until you use it. I cannot live without it and often find myself wanting a Windows version as well. Give it a try - it's a drag/drop install and is removed just as easily.

    I recommend the plugins [blacktree.com]: Mail, Clipboard (adds multiple clipboards), iTunes, Flashlight, Dictionary, Address Boook and Calculator. Most of these can be installed automatically when you run the app the first time if you choose.

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