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Microsoft's Tips for Buying an MP3 Player 784

An Anonymous Reader writes "In another extension of Microsoft's 'Plays for Sure' campaign, the company has launched a web page with six tips to help consumers purchase the 'correct' MP3 Player for them. Among the insights of the article hard drive-based players suck and a stopwatch is a useful feature to have on your player. Unsurprisingly, the iPod meets none of Microsoft's criteria. A humorous commentary is available, of course." From the article: "6. Don't get locked into one online store. Have you ever been on the hunt for a particular song? Some obscure indie rock tune or rare jazz performance you heard on the radio? You might have to shop at more than one store before you find the song you're looking for."
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Microsoft's Tips for Buying an MP3 Player

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  • by loupgarou21 ( 597877 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @05:40AM (#12053140)
    the "operating system" on an mp3 player is going to be very light weight and built for a specified task, linux, even on an absolute minimalist scale would be a bit bloated for most mp3 players and would actually produce pretty crappy playback quality. You have to remember that the processor in an mp3 player is pretty slow.
  • Re:Correction. (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 26, 2005 @05:47AM (#12053176)
    You recall wrong. There is exactly 0 flash iPods with screen. Microsoft's page is about flash-based players, not about microsdrive based ones.
  • Re:hahahaha! (Score:4, Informative)

    by jawtheshark ( 198669 ) * <slashdot@nosPAm.jawtheshark.com> on Saturday March 26, 2005 @05:56AM (#12053208) Homepage Journal
    When did ANYONE with a clue listen to Microsoft?

    Perhaps people that think that Microsoft makes good products? Managers, business people, the common housewife. Yeah, they all don't have a clue because they don't know that Microsoft is "teh suck". There is a world beyond slashdot, and in that world Microsoft is a household name and a respected company. Those people, the ones that are not on slashdot, outnumber us. They are the market, we are not.

    When I met my girlfriend I showed her my iBook (amongst other things, but we're talking technology here), and she likes it. What did she have? A spyware infested Fujitsu Siemens with Windows XP. She wasn't very happy with her machine, even though it had cost over 2000€. I asked her: "Why didn't you buy a Mac?". The reply was simple: "I didn't know that they existed. All adverts here are for Windows machines, so I thought it was the right thing to do". That's how it is: Microsoft is well known, Apple less well known. On the MP3-player market that is less true, but Microsoft just wants to use it's brand name in its own advantage...

  • by Storlek ( 860226 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @06:01AM (#12053224)
    I have yet to hear my iPod skip at all, ever, and I ride my bike and run with it in my pocket. It gets shaken most of the time it's on.
  • by Single GNU Theory ( 8597 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @06:32AM (#12053314) Journal
    My Rio Karma really does not like to go running. It usually freezes up after a couple miles with disk errors.

    I keep the Karma for road trips and commuting in my car, and I got an iPod shuffle to carry when I run.
  • by SoCalAndy ( 808076 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @06:54AM (#12053373)
    I have yet to hear my iPod skip at all, ever, and I ride my bike and run with it in my pocket. It gets shaken most of the time it's on.

    I had my ipod hard drive die on me, only owning it for about 4 months. What I did it in, I think, was using it while it was sitting in the cup holder in my car. It would sutter and I could feel the hard drive spinning, and holding it would let the buffer fill. But it got to the point where it wouldn't even turn on. Thank god for costco, and knowing the guy working at the returns counter.
  • Humorous Commentary (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 26, 2005 @07:40AM (#12053496)
    How many ways can one company tell you not to do something without ever actually telling you not to do something? Answer: six. That may sound like a lot, until you consider that the company in question is Microsoft and has untold armies of FUDmeisters in its marketing department working around the clock (at which point six sounds a little like maybe their manager was a little light with the whip that day). Faithful viewer Simone Bianconcini alerted us to a very informative page on Microsoft's Windows Media site called "Six Tips for Buying an MP3 Player with Flash Memory," and let us tell you, now that we've read it, we haven't felt this educated in minutes.

    In this completely unbiased article with absolutely no underlying agenda or ulterior motive whatsoever, the Redmond Beast makes a humanitarian effort to warn you about certain pitfalls that dot the path of buying a portable digital music player, so that you don't wind up with a music device without a built-in stopwatch, which, of course, would be a fate worse than death. Here, with brief summaries of Microsoft's explanations, are the six tips that could save you from inadvertently spending all eternity in Flash Hell:

    1. Understand the basics, i.e. flash players are inherently better than hard-drive players because they don't skip unless you throw them at the water just right.

    2. Make sure you're getting all the goodies, i.e. you just won't be happy unless your player can record FM radio and includes, for some reason, a stopwatch.

    3. You'll want a display, i.e. there's no nobler way to die than by trying to change songs with a three-line, teensy-button human interface while jogging and being struck down by a Dodge Stratus.

    4. Let a professional make your next playlist, i.e. why listen to your own music when you can listen to nonstop commercials and obnoxious local DJs on FM radio? And record them digitally, so you can share that great beer jingle with your friends and loved ones?

    5. Pick the right size for you, i.e. Windows Media is great, and we just wanted to harp on that for a minute. Have we mentioned that Windows Media is great?

    6. Don't get locked into one online store; it is, however, just fine to get locked into one proprietary data format and DRM scheme-- as long as it's ours.

    Interestingly enough, before it was refined into the Six Commandments you see above, an earlier draft version of the list was considerably terser. AtAT operatives have secured a copy, and it seems to imply that Microsoft might have had some sort of unstated underlying objective in mind when it put these tips together, although we're having a tough time seeing just what it might have been. Maybe you can help:

    1. Don't buy an iPod, iPod mini, or iPod photo.

    2. Don't buy an iPod shuffle.

    3. Don't buy an iPod shuffle.

    4. Don't buy an iPod shuffle.

    5. Pick the right size for you (as long as you don't buy an iPod shuffle).

    6. Don't buy an iPod of any kind whatsoever.

    We know the hidden message is there, lurking just beneath the surface. Maybe these three additional tips found in another draft unearthed by faithful viewer DT will shed some light on the subject:

    1. Make sure your flash player isn't white. You don't want to get it all dirty now, do you?

    2. If your flash player has a fruit on it, you might get poisoned by insecticide.

    3. Always listen to Uncle Bill; he knows what's best for you.

    Hmmmm. Nope, it's still a mystery. Impenetrable. Guess we'll never know.

    Say, is that the smell of fear wafting over here from the Pacific Northwest?...

  • by zakezuke ( 229119 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:16AM (#12053555)
    This statement makes the assumption that people that don't listen to the radio don't have other means of hearing new music.

    One of the reasons I took my old walkman fishing and camping was the fact that it had a radio. It was nice being able to listen to tapes and it was nice to catch weather reports. Radios are very useful things at times and it's shocking to me that it's no longer fashionable to put them into portable media players.

  • by ashridah ( 72567 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:26AM (#12053576)
    OGG Vorbis in no way requires a floating point to decode.

    case in point: the Iriver H1xx/3xx series mp3 players, using a coldfire cpu (read, fpuless), which play ogg vorbis just fine.

    case in point: Tremor, the integer-only ogg decoder, freely available as source.

    case in point: rockbox, an opensource firmware that's being adapted for the iriver H1xx series currently, and is on the way to having vorbis playback support (and flac, mp3, and a gameboy emulator :) )

    ashridah
  • by Spruitje ( 15331 ) <ansonr@spruitje.oOOOrg minus threevowels> on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:32AM (#12053584) Homepage

    Yes they did. They said the HD-based players skip if you move them around while they're playing.
    Anyone know if this is true?

    To let an iPod skip is almost impossible.
    The iPod stores about 30 minutes of music in ram.
    Every 30 minutes it spins its harddrive for about 10 secondes to load another 30 minutes of music into ram.
    So, to let an iPod skip is next to impossible.
  • by Detritus ( 11846 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:34AM (#12053590) Homepage
    A good FM radio costs considerably more than $2. It needs a well-designed RF input stage, frequency-synthesized tuning or a very stable VFO, and good IF filters. Most consumer-grade FM radios turn to shit in a hostile RF environment like found in many urban areas.
  • by adam1101 ( 805240 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:59AM (#12053650)
    > For the same price as a USB flash drive I can get an iPod shuffle. I think you should check that again. A typical 512mb flash drive is under $50 now. If you just want a flash drive a Sandisk Cruzer Micro is a lot smaller than an iPod Shuffle.
  • by RidiculousPie ( 774439 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @09:01AM (#12053655)
    Actually the open source part isn't currently available.

    http://www.neurosaudio.com/is/tempunavail.html [neurosaudio.com]
  • by thesman ( 655727 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @09:55AM (#12053798)
    Theres an hyperlink to M$ PlayforSure.com music business lobby.

    You can search for "iPod" [playsforsure.com], but you won't get what you were expecting...

    Is this legal in the US? They're using the well-known trademarked name to divert people to something else...
  • by hjf ( 703092 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @09:55AM (#12053799) Homepage
    bull. that is a myth. that happened on some satellite that recharged the battery exactly at the same level always. but technology has advanced and even cheap NiCds don't show this behavior. let alone NiMH, Li-ION, etc... Here's teh proof for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
    If you plug into a dock 3 times a day thay's your Ipod bricked after 2 years.
    btw, 2 years is a good lifetime for a rechargeable. you could hardly squeeze more than 3 years. oh and, I DON'T WANNA READ ANY "I CHARGED MY BATTERY 2 TIMES A DAY AND NOW IT LASTS HALF OF WHAT I USED TO SO THERE IS MEMORY EFFECT" or "MY BATTERY IS 8 YEARS OLD AND STILL WORKS GREAT" because thats just a lot of bullshit.
  • by Ravadill ( 589248 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @09:56AM (#12053801)
    Please introduce yourself to the wonderful new technology of NiMH... only NiCd need complete discharge cycles to maintain full capacity.
  • by bdsesq ( 515351 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @10:06AM (#12053819)
    The base Shuffle player holds 512 MB of music in a proprietary format.

    Hmm, in all fareness RTFM.
    The base Shuffle hold 512MB of
    MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and WAV
    You can see for yourself at http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/specs.html [apple.com]
  • by Refrag ( 145266 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @10:13AM (#12053842) Homepage
    You know, you could have always used your 1 year warranty if you didn't have a friend at Costco. Anyway, I've mountain biked with my iPod and have never seen the same issues you did in your car. Unless you were taking your car on the Paris-Drakkar, I think it is safe to say you got a lemon iPod.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 26, 2005 @10:50AM (#12053964)
    Sorry, but you're 0 for 2 ... the Shuffle is USB-powered and recharges its internal battery whenever you plug it into a computer.
  • by Slack3r78 ( 596506 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @10:56AM (#12053989) Homepage
    I bought a refurbed 3G iPod in early January. In late February, the HD would clunk and the iPod would lock up trying to read certain songs and files. Rather than risk it, as I use my iPod for moving data as well as music, I contacted Apple for an RMA.

    I filled out the RMA form on the website, the next day, DHL dropped off a box of my doorstep. I put the iPod in the box, called DHL, and they came back to pick it up about 20 minutes later. I got my iPod back about 3 days later.

    There's no need to know the guy at the returns counter, AppleCare is how warranties should be. The only better experience I've had even close was when I RMA'd my Sony Ericsson phone, but I had to actually drive that to the post office myself. :)
  • by Barlo_Mung_42 ( 411228 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @12:02PM (#12054247) Homepage
    This is actually one of the main reasons I didn't go with the iPod. There are times when I prefer to listen to NPR than my music. It's nice to have the option.
  • by CapeMonkey ( 795733 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @12:34PM (#12054411)
    The Shuffle recharges when you plug it into your USB port. Besides, a pair of AAs would probably more than double the weight and size of the Shuffle.

    That said, if you're happy, you've no reason to switch.
  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @12:45PM (#12054454) Homepage Journal
    The base Shuffle player holds 512 MB of music in a proprietary format.

    Oh, the "proprietary format" boogyman.
    The iTunes Music Store sells DRMed music, the iPod supports that music on the go.

    BUT THE iPOD PLAYS MP3s JUST FINE.
  • by gotr00t ( 563828 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @03:40PM (#12055391) Journal
    The fact is, iTMS and the iPod are seamlessly integrated, but Apple has done nothing to prevent users from getting their music from other sources. (to be fair, they made no effort to encourage users to use other sources either)

    The iPod supports a number of popular formats, including MP3 and WAV, but not WMA (they would have had to pay licensing fees to Microsoft). Just because Apple did not support Microsoft's format, many people are insisting that its vendor lock-in. There is nothing preventing another music download service to open up tomorrow and offer MP3's or AAC's for sale (some already do), that will be compatible with the iPod.

    Then is the question of motives. It has been shown that Apple makes nearly no profit off the iTMS anyway, as its probably true that the entire effort was aimed at selling more iPods. What reason do they have to lock-in users anyway? It would actually be to Apple's benefit if other music services aimed to sell music for the iPod.

    The whole idea of Apple trying to force iPod users to use the iTMS is totally untrue. Why, then, would they even allow iPod users to rip from CD's or import audio files that they already had?

  • by JackAxe ( 689361 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @05:21PM (#12056062)
    I have a Dell Axim and Sony Clié (whith audio remote), which by the way is much nicer then the Axim when it comes to music playback and that isn't saying much, because Sony really sucks in the digital audio arena.

    But anyways this saying fits both of them nicely;
    Jack of all trades, master of none.

    The iPod is a master of what it does so well and that is digital-audo playback. There is no other device on the market that comes even remotely close to the quality and ease of use that is an iPod. In the case of the Axim and Clié, not only are they lacking in the software area, but their audio playback aslso sounds bad when compared to an iPod. I own one, so I know this first hand

    Being different is only good when it's truly a better choice, but in the case of the PPC, it is only a mediocre alternative to an iPod when it comes to music playback. My Dell Axim which was cheap, is exactly just that; Cheap! You truly get what you pay for and when you decide you want a quality audio device, then buy an iPod.

    The only head that will turn is yours, when you need to look down at your Axim's screen just to select a new song or playlist, or switch out your tiny 512 MB CF.
  • Re:CD Quality? (Score:3, Informative)

    by andreyw ( 798182 ) on Sunday March 27, 2005 @04:22PM (#12061342) Homepage
    Not everything in iTMS is 128Kbps. A recemt acquisition of mine was 271Kbps.

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