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There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, "Ad familiares"
iPod (Score:5, Funny)
Re:iPod (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:iPod (Score:5, Funny)
Re:iPod (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:iPod (Score:2)
Re:iPod (Score:4, Funny)
Wasn't (Score:2, Insightful)
Now the skirt, and tower look pretty cool as is.
Re:Wasn't (Score:2)
Stealing Windows customers? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:2)
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
This isn't like someone put a bash shell in windows and is calling it "Winix" or something... This is an OS that claims to have the best of both worlds--the availability of using open source and open standards while being accessible to even the newest of users. If you're a nerd who cares the way you seem to, you're still going to use Linux/*BSD, but I don't see how it hurts the community if you switch to OS X.
If I were someone who was a strong BSD proponent, I, for one, would welcome our rich, talented, and innovative overlords.
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
If anything, it will help the community over the long term, especially if you are a developer. I think far too many developers are saddled with diminished expectations, a result of their roots in the Windows world. Developers should be shooting for "better than OS X" instead of "as good as windows".
I know that I'm generalizing, and that there are lots of developers that aren't ham-stringed in this way. I'm just saying.
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't know how far along this project is. I think the demo was old when I saw it a few years ago. The point is that there are useful creative ways to approach the desktop other than the Apple approach. However, I will readily admit that Apple has done the best job so far
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, it looks neat, but it seems to have no practical application that I can think of. Okay, you can rotate your windows along an axis parallel to the plane of the display. So? That's just a fancy way of scaling windows, a job which Exposé does better in my opinion.
The point is that there are useful creative ways to approach the desktop other than the Apple approach.
Creative, yes. Useful? I'd say not. It's possible that this is just lack of cr
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:3, Insightful)
What I find interesting in concept (although I obviously haven't been able to try it) is the idea of a 3D UI, which Looking
Re:Strongly Disagree (Score:4, Interesting)
You want to point out that OS X isn't free, but the actual operating system underneath, Darwin, is free and open for all to play with. If someone else wants to build thier own GUI and drawing system on top then they are free to do so.
You believe that OS X harms OSS because Apple claims that it is the best of both worlds. The fact of the matter is that OS X IS the best of both worlds, I have free and open source to everything underneath my toolset and a platform that proprietary software doesn't run from. I can look at the source to CoreFoundation that is toll-free bridged with all the Cocoa foundation objects. I can look at the filesystem code, or networking code, and it's all free. I can use Gimp or Photoshop, I can use vi or Dreamweaver, I have the CHOICE to use either. Isn't the entire point of OSS that warm feeling you get when you have choices? I don't have to use anything and can compare them directly next to each other.
If Gnome or KDE was closed sourced would you be making such a gripe? All OS X is doing is it packages a completely free and open OS with a beautiful DE on top of it, and you never see the ugly scrolling lines. Gnome + GRUB does the same thing. You get a somewhat pretty startup, you get dumped at a login screen if you have that setup and you get a pretty desktop never needing to open a terminal to get anything done.
OSS Developers that get new macs are a good thing because like an earlier poster said, they can finally aim their efforts at making products that are better than OS X rather than as good as windows.
Re:Strongly Disagree (Score:3, Insightful)
A thousand monkeys can code a great operating system in no time at all, Microsoft, Apple, or Linux developers included. What Apple did with OS X is take something that OS developers were working on, and gave it direction. They planned how it would work with their hardware, and how their graphics engi
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Everything that's in BSD is also "free" in OS X. The non-free parts of OS X aren't in Darwin or BSD. There's no Quartz, Aqua, Quicktime, iTunes, etc. in BSD. You also don't get Apple's particular packaging of the OS for free either, but that doesn't stop anyone from making their own distro of Darwin/BSD.
Just because someone charges money for a distro that comes with non-free stuff doesn't make its core less free (as in speech). I don't hear people bitching about Red Hat Enterprise not being a "free" OS, especially now that the "free version of Red Hat" doesn't exist any more (yes, I know they renamed it, but there's more to it than that).
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:3, Interesting)
If, however, you have a longer memory, you may remember that when Apple was a large player in the personal computer market, that it was more hostile to linking to other computers than MS is today. On the AppleII, e.g., the built-in basic refused to generate program text files. The floppy disks were of a totally non-standard format (and they patented the chip used to read those disks, and refused to license it).
So while I'm glad that MS stands to
I honestly think... (Score:2, Insightful)
All it would take would be for Apple to release OS X for the PC. Any chance Linux had at serious penetration of the desktop market would evaporate.
Re:I honestly think... (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine how much money they would make selling their OS for ~200$. Now imagine what they make now, even with their tiny market share, selling 3000$ minimum machines
Re:I honestly think... (Score:2, Informative)
RTFA
It's $499 minimum.
Re:I honestly think... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I honestly think... (Score:5, Insightful)
But then people will complain they have to buy something that has the same functionality as what they got with the computer for free. And they'll complain that they can't use the exact same software as they did with their Windows system. I am serious.
There is a lot more to it than saying you can get 99% profit on an OS. Even Microsoft doesn't get that, I think their Windows division is a little over 80% profit. Remember, Microsoft operating systems are on about 90% of PCs.
Apple would have to start (nearly) from scratch to get native support for all devices on the main board of every x86 system, and make it easy to add support for nearly every other device out there, even if it was designed to be Windows-specific. In short, you'd have to sign on every device maker to make drivers. Darwin for x86 is being maintained and apparently does work but there is more to it than just putting the Aqua UI on it and shipping it.
Then people would expect OSX x86 to run all their Windows programs flawlessly. I'm not sure if the Linux Windows translation/emulation is up to that yet.
Developers Developers Developers Developers (Score:3, Insightful)
If MacOSX/x86 runs Windows software flawlessly, where's the incentive to port your app natively to OSX? Write your programs for windows, and they'll run on both windows AND OSX/x86. That's not a good thing. OSX is all about consistency, user interface guidelines, and core functionnality that people take for granted (common keyboard shortcuts, Services, etc). The emulated apps offer none of that, but the developers will be able to claim that their apps run on OSX.
Re:Potentiality (Score:3, Informative)
I wasn't going to chime in but nobody else has done yet. Isn't the SPARC platform more niche than Apples?
Microsoft never invested shit in Apple, they bought some non voting shares and agreed to develop their software for the Mac for 5 years at least, thats it. Btw, they have sold said shares as well.
Macs ARE better for graphics, you would know this if you worked in the industry. There are many advantages to using a mac rather than a PC. One of them being the hardware specs being the same and the moni
Re:I honestly think... (Score:2)
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:2, Interesting)
Firefox has come along, its much better than IE and IE is starting to lose a relatively large part of its market share. IE was left too long to be fixed up and now MS are paying for it.
Google (not like it ever didnt, but still) owns the shit out of MSN search, although MSN is getting better and better. Macs and Linux are much much cheaper and more secure (or less exploits\viruse
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
They are saying that "the goal is", not that it will happen.
I could say today that my goal is to create a pig that flies over the moon, and that wouldn't make it happen, even if I were Microsoft.
I was a MacOS X early adopter (perhaps was is the wrong word; I use it on my primary computers to this day), and I still remember how MacOS 9 applications ran under MacOS X. That is to say, not all that well. Everyone who was running X, including myself, absolutely longed for native applications in the first year or so. After Photoshop and Final Cut Pro made it to X, pretty much all was bliss, but it took us a year of pain to get there.
If I had to guess, I'd assume that Win32/.net applications would have a similar trajectory of doom, and if there are significant differences between Win32 and Longhorn APIs, I'd be pretty alarmed by that paragraph if I was relying on non-Microsoft Windows software, or if I was developing same.
Microsoft might be counting on Office to hold people in the new environment. They'll build a version of Office for Longhorn with lots of spiffy features. The old Office won't work well on Longhorn. So someone buys a new computer with Longhorn (probably not compatible with XP), and they have to upgrade Office so they can run Word. This is just what Microsoft wants.
Microsoft has on its side the makers of commodity computers, and that's a powerful friend because many people like having interchangeable computers where nothing is particularly special but you can build interesting things out of components. I don't like that at all - I like my computers being special and unique, like Apple's - but I recognize much of the world loves it. I also think most of the world hates change and so really has to have a powerful jolt to switch.
Because of this, I think there's about a 10-15% ceiling on Apple's market share even if things go outstandingly well. Of course that would mean a 3-5 times improvement over the next few years. I think that's very doable, and I think some of the lovers of commodity computers might go for Linux as a commodity OS. That might mean there would be a world of 10-15% Apple, 10-15% Linux and the rest Microsoft.
I don't think Microsoft's majority of computers sold is in danger, but they're in deep danger of slipping significantly if they don't improve their products dramatically, even pre-Longhorn.
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Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:3, Interesting)
If that really does happen, then the new flavor of Windows will STILL be insecure and users will have to contend with all the malware that currently can and does afflict Windows. Many programs for Windows are written with the assumtions of the user having unfettered access to every bit and byte on their PERSONAL computer. Personal computers were meant to be used by ONE user only and that user has total control over ALL of their machine.
UNIX flavored
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Interesting)
As for it stealing Linux/*BSD users away. I can see this sort of happening. My primary workstation now is an 17" Al powerbook, It replaced a Dell Inspiron running slackware. I still use various forms of *nix everyday. My firewall @ home and my other laptop here are OpenBSD. My file server and workstation run FreeBSD (5.3 on workstation, 4-Stable on the file server). At work all 36 Servers run FreeBSD 4-Stable. So while it might not be on our desktops everyday, we still use it.
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:2)
You could use the GNU OSX archive: http://www.osxgnu.org/ [osxgnu.org]
Of course as you mentioned there is Fink [sourceforge.net] which lets you do things like this [xdarwin.org] relatively easily [xdarwin.org] ...
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:2)
Macfanboys and Windows drones don't get it. (Score:2)
You may not care about this as a geek in your basement playing games and pretending that you are a hacker or cracker (fscking root kits
And I am not talking about small com
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think MS is worried about Apple overtaking Windows and Office, which are still the crown jewels. Keep in mind that we're talking about a company that just posted $10B in profits [arstechnica.com] last quarter. Reread that statement: $10B in profit, not revenue. Wow.
MS should be worried about the present media file format wars, which it could very well lose. Overall, I think the number of Windows customers MS stands to lose to Apple is probably negligible. I'd like to see a more open, multi-platform world -- I type this from a PowerBook -- but the realist in me sees predictions of MS's demise as premature.
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:2)
Possibly correct, but most people won't even get this far in your message.
I got that far, but I couldn't comprehend it. What was Nanogator trying to express here?
Re:Stealing Windows customers? (Score:3, Informative)
This has more to do with the software retail industry being a big racket than anything else. Small players, if they can get on the shelves at all, generally don't see a cent of the profits. The costs involved in getting it on the shelves (all that packaging, shipping, etc.) can overshadow what meager returns they see.
All of the large Mac software producers I can think of also produce Windows sof
Computers, or fashion items? (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm totally new to the Mac world, save from a few experiences with an iPod which I found to be totally unfulfilling, so is the Mac Mini really a good place for me to start, or is it much like the iPod, and just another fashion accessory with secondary consideration given to functions?
Re:Computers, or fashion items? (Score:5, Informative)
Read the review from AnandTech [anandtech.com]. It is very comprehensive (18 pages!) and doesn't fail to point out the design features Apple put in to enhance the user experience. Nor does it fail to hilight the weak points of the design.
In my experience, it is very rarely "form over function" with Apple, it's function intersecting form.
Re:Computers, or fashion items? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Computers, or fashion items? (Score:5, Insightful)
can you explain how iPod is "form over function"? i find it to be the most usable mp3 player out there. about the only thing i feel it's missing is a radio.
in any case, Mac mini - what you see is what you get. if you want expansion, then it's "form over function" for you and the machine will not serve you well. otherwise, it's as capable as any other desktops out there - it's got USB ports, firewire ports, DVI (VGA adapter included), Combo drive, etc. (i personally don't consider lack of p/s, parallel or serial ports "lack of function" as much as keeping the legacy ports. similarly for floppy disk.)
Re:Computers, or fashion items? (Score:2)
I too found the iPod to be a perfectly usable device. I also consider "missing a radio" a feature. That is one things Apple and its fans have right. I suppose it would be nice to have for NPR but those dozens of stations with dozens of transmitters are serving up "material" I don't want.
The Mac mini is decently upgradeable, save the video card and CPU. The options are more limited than would be fo
Re:Computers, or fashion items? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Computers, or fashion items? (Score:2)
Re:Computers, or fashion items? (Score:2)
It depends. I know a few Mac users that are still using old iMacs or earlier machines that haven't upgraded for budgetary reasons. Those who own old beige macs might have upgraded the CPU (amongst other things) and are able to run OS X with the X Post Facto hack from OWC, but they still lust after the new hardware.
Pretty weak accessories (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm really trying not to troll here, but I think worthwhile accessories would be to the tune of, a dock type thing, that has a built-in USB pro-audio card that looks kind of like this "Mini Skirt."
The Mini is already stylish enough, and I think the only merit of the two latter products is stylistic, if they expanded the usefullness and capacities of the Mini, then i'm all for it
Re:Pretty weak accessories (Score:5, Funny)
You can hide your weed under it.
Re:Pretty weak accessories (Score:2)
That "Grandstand" looks like a Mini oven (Score:5, Interesting)
Baked Apple. (Score:2)
Re:That "Grandstand" looks like a Mini oven (Score:2)
Don't count your chickens... (Score:5, Insightful)
Bit of an assumption there, isn't it?
True, this is the first Mac to be within an average joe's price range -- and the fact that it includes no keyboard, mouse, or monitor doesn't matter because it's aimed at potential switchers. Whip out the PC, slide in the Mac Mini.
All the conditions are there. But does the Mini offer enough to get people to climb out of their boxes of complacency and tolerance, and actually switch?
Re:Don't count your chickens... (Score:2)
(Btw, yes I am a mac lover, I would get the mini cept for I don't like the G4 bus, so I'll be going for an iMac G5)
Re:Don't count your chickens... (Score:2)
Market share (Score:4, Interesting)
As cynical as I'm being here, I would like to see the mini both on my desk, and putting a dent in the market!
Re:Market share (Score:2)
when they are ready for an upgrade, i'd imagine some of them will be curious what Mac will be like and look at Mac mini and iBook. if their parents can be convinced, which has been made easier with $499 Mac mini, they will switc
Top-Notch Product (Score:2, Funny)
Combines portability and durability into a classy package. I knew this dude who made his own homemade stand, and it broke right in the middle of a party. his room still smells like bongwater.
So yeah, dude, this guy's stuff for the mac mini will be like killer.
win2*nix (Score:2, Informative)
Fashion Accessories (Score:3, Insightful)
Can these kinds of fashion accessories really sell for the mac mini like they do for the iPod, given their totally different price points relative to their respective markets?
I picked up a Mac Mini Last Weekend but.... (Score:5, Interesting)
I wandered down to the Apple Store in London last Sunday and came back with the base Mac Mini and am extremely impressed with it, this being my first foray into the Mac world.
Anyway, having just looked at the accessories (Coral link [nyud.net] as the original is /.ed) I wouldn't pick up any of them, they look a bit crap and the Grandstand appears to be the only one with any use and then only if you have very limited desk space.
From the story title I was hoping for something a bit morethan bent plastic/metal.
My mini mac (Score:2, Interesting)
Better link. (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.plasticsmith.com/ [plasticsmith.com]
Mirrordot link to story... (Score:3, Informative)
Oops. Bad link (Score:2)
Re:Mirrordot link to story... (Score:2)
pictures, features, looky looky
Just an ad (Score:2)
Copycat? (Score:2, Insightful)
I doubt that MM will become more than an niche market gizmo, like it already is..
EyeTV 500 (Score:5, Informative)
The combination of the mini and the EyeTV 500 makes for a great HTPC, at least for digital over-the-air TV (and unencrypted QAM digital TV over cable).
If Apple's marketing team has any brains... (Score:5, Insightful)
Look, I am a mac fanatic... (Score:5, Insightful)
But... Sheesh, why does EVERY apple article have to hit the front page?
What the macmini needs is an external HD (Score:4, Interesting)
This way, one could stack the MacMini on top of the drive(s), or vice versa, in a neat little pile.
The mac mini isn't big enough to hold my MP3 collection (right now, teetering around 105 gigs) and certianly won't be big enough to deal with the video I want to run through it. So I need 7200rpm ATA drives in a MacMini box.
Personally, I would cheerfully build my own using some hideous noisy case - I'm not that picky. But Mrs Spoilsport is VERY picky about that kind of thing - heck: she thinks having visible stereo wires to te speakers is like having one's underwear showing or having toilet paper stuck to one's shoe.
She tried to get me to go to wireless speakers, and I said "You Buy 'em". We still don't have wireless speakers, thank Bog.
But, i we could get a MacMini with matching drive(s), it'll make the transition to the full on digital system a simpler effort, as it would please the aesthetes in the home (And to think - I'm the one who makes a living as an artist!)
RS
Re:What the macmini needs is an external HD (Score:3, Interesting)
And the video should be of the latest generation, not the previous (doesn't have to be high-end, just of current generation).
How about a DVI/USB KVM? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Good idea (Score:5, Insightful)
maybe, but it's certainly not as 'cool' as having the whole shebang, and that's largely (for many people, at least) what having and using an iPod is about.
I think that this is the answer for those people who got an iPod and became people who love Apple products, but can't afford to really break into the company's line, and it's incredibly chic to boot.
Next time a person needs to go and get a new computer, they will consider spending $500 on a mediocre PC that is in a large and gaudy beige case and runs a pain-in-the-ass Windows operating system, or they could get a very small, fast, and attractive Mac that's as easy to use as the iPod they've come to love.
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Insightful)
I see tons of people with iPods now. At least 10% of the people at my gym had iPod minis. And regular iPods are all over the place at my school.
There is no way all of these people own Macs, and I think the general populous doesn't really care. They just want a hip music player that works with their computer.
Re:Good idea (Score:4, Insightful)
If people wanted a hip music player that works with their computer, why wouldn't they want a hip computer as well? That's what this is, and it doesn't break the bank.
Re:Good idea (Score:5, Interesting)
4 million iPods were sold last quarter, and 90% of them to Windows users. So that's 3.6 million Windows users with iPods. If 10% of them switch to Macs as a result of their iPod experience, that's another 360,000 Mac users, or an over 33% increase in unit sales. (Apple sold just over a million Macs last quarter.)
Re:Good idea (Score:2)
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Insightful)
It isn't just that. But a mac has style. With good design and style they can add to the user's own style - just like with systemadministration you learn to solve problem, search solutions more logically. In a mac it's the interface, it's the logic, the way things are organized. It could be a part of your culture.
Now try it the other way around. Has a win* ever brought you new (positive!) experiences? Could that be part of your culture? I'm trying hard not to exaggerate. Think about that.
Linux comes in
Re:Good idea (Score:5, Funny)
I think this is the first time I've ever seen beige referred to as gaudy.
Re:Good idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Overpriced Keyboard (Score:5, Interesting)
Peace
Re:Overpriced Keyboard (Score:5, Informative)
Apple's keyboard is not overpriced (Score:2)
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Informative)
Here is a diagram [sun.com], a picture [biglobe.ne.jp], and the online ordering page. [sun.com]
Sometimes it can be ordered for less from different online stores.
Re:Are people that stupid? (Score:3, Insightful)
This has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with being able to run OS X natively. Throw in the iLife Suite and now you can see the appeal. I've got my order in.
Re:Are people that stupid? (Score:5, Insightful)
nobody wants 500 features in a walkman, they just want a friggen walkman.
Re:Are people that stupid? (Score:2, Interesting)
F [macworld.com]
Re:Are people that stupid? (Score:3, Informative)
Lack of features doesn't necessarily translate to poor quality.
Re:Are people that stupid? (Score:3, Insightful)
Really! I had no idea there was a $500 Windows machine that comes with Quicken and equivalents to all the iLife, iWork, and Appleworks (ok, those aren't so great) apps preinstalled. And is damn-near impervious to viruses, adware, and spyware. Could you post a link to this miracle machine?
Re:Good for CRT Monitors too? (Score:3, Informative)
Peace
Re:Good for CRT Monitors too? (Score:2)
I wouldn't have an issue with putting a few Mac Minis on top of each other, or maybe an external hard drive, but nothing more than this.
Re:Can we run C++ on a Mac (Score:5, Informative)
The compiler Apple ships with its IDE (Xcode) is gcc and it naturally supports C++. A lot of Mac software is written in C++ (most Carbon applications). You can also mix C++ with Objective-C and Cocoa (ObjC++).
Oracle does have products for the Mac (though I doubt you'll run them on the Mac mini). I don't know what D2K is.
Re:Can we run C++ on a Mac (Score:3, Informative)
As a matter of fact, you can. Just fine. I have an Oracle 10g developer edition running on -- no kidding -- a 400 MHz G3 iMac downstairs. Fast? Hell no. But it works more than well enough for doing Oracle front-end development. The same machine is also running a developer instance of Sybase ASE.
Re:Can we run C++ on a Mac (Score:3, Informative)
Re:A few, for a while. (Score:5, Insightful)
No, the more savvy will just stick with their Windows boxes, because they know how to maintain them and are willing to take the time to do so. The Mac mini isn't aimed at them.
The mini is aimed at people who just want to visit web sites and send e-mail, have never used Windows Update, Spybot or Ad-Aware in their life, and cannot comprehend why they get all those pop-up ads and their PC seems to be running slower and slower with each passing month. "The more savvy" are far, far outnumbered by these people.
Just from the orders placed between the announcement of the mini and its release date, it has become the fastest-selling computer ever produced by Apple. They're going to sell millions of the things, and make a lot of new lifetime Mac users in the bargain.
~Philly