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Apple Music Store Coming to Europe & iTunes in China 219

frankie writes "As reported everywhere, Apple is holding a press conference in London on Tuesday June 15. The entirely un-subtle official sound bite is "the biggest story in music is about to get even bigger", not what we've come to expect from Lord Steve." Or read through the Reuters report. In other news, it appears that Apple has struck a deal with China's second larger computer manufacturer to preinstall iTunes.
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Apple Music Store Coming to Europe & iTunes in China

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  • More news! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mz6 ( 741941 ) * on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:06PM (#9356968) Journal
    "In other news, it appears that Apple has struck a deal with China's second larger computer manufacturer to preinstall iTunes."

    In related news, Microsoft's appeal to the EU [slashdot.org] has been leaked to the press. It seems to consist of an attack against Apple. "Hey, if Apple can preload their iTunes "media player", why can't we? We should be able to do it too!", said an anonymous source close to the Microsoft legal team. Many legal experts seem to think Microsoft 5-year old kid "If he can do it, I can do it to" antics will fail miserably.

  • About bloody time! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by oberondarksoul ( 723118 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:07PM (#9356976) Homepage

    I've been using iTunes for Windows since release, and although I can't actually buy from the iTMS, I've found it an excellent tool for finding music I like - being able to listen to the samples directly from iTunes is a godsend. Personally, I don't see the problem with the DRM Apple use - sure, it's restrictive, but it's not as bad as some - and I can certainly see myself buying from the store upon opening.

    All we need now is for Pepsi to offer free songs too...

  • Canada, too! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Synesthesiatic ( 679680 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:11PM (#9357026) Homepage
    There are rumours that Apple may launch iTMS Canada at the same time [macrumors.com]. I guess that'd allow them to retain the element of surprise! Anyhoo, I've got my fingers crossed. Hopefully songs will run 99 cents CAD.
  • Re:double standards? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by millahtime ( 710421 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:12PM (#9357033) Homepage Journal
    not quite. Are they running OS X with iTunes? Nope, it'll be a M$ based system with iTunes as a 3rd party software. That is the difference.
  • by abscondment ( 672321 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:18PM (#9357103) Homepage

    Concerningthe Apple press release">: [apple.com]

    Why does Apple insist on calling iTunes/Pod the "World's Best Digital Music Experience"?

    It's true--they're becoming too Microsoft-ish if they title the article that based on the idea that the iPod is the #1 music player in the world (1st par).

    Even if that's the case, I should hope it's not the best digital music experience. Frankly, unless they've got a huge frickin' mixing board running separate tracks for all instruments rolled into a single player, then all it is is the best portable player. The Best digital music experience...? That costs thousands of dollars in the form of recording/playback equipment and big fucking speakers.

  • iTunes or AllOfMP3? (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:22PM (#9357149)
    Why choose iTunes over AllOfMp3?

    Though AllOfMP3.com is a legally questionable operation, so are the tactics of the RIAA's, whom iTMS users are supporting with every cent they give to the store.

    By choosing AllOfMP3.com over Apple's store, you can do the following:

    -NOT supporting the RIAA, or a company that chooses to work with, and fund them.
    -NOT support the use of the iTMS' proprietary DRM which not only limits what media player you want to play your music on (Most people prefer listening to their music on Winamp intead of being forced to use iTunes to listen to music they paid for), but what digital audio portable you want to use to listen to your music as well.
    -have the CHOICE of what format you want your music encoded in, instead of beign stuck with vanilla 128 AACs with Apple's proprietary and limiting DRM.
    -pay cheaper than you would for your music, with the added bonus of having more CHOICE with your music formats, and nto send a cent to support the RIAA or a company that supports/funds how they do business.
  • by MORTAR_COMBAT! ( 589963 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:26PM (#9357182)
    please tell me the names of artists which apple computer represents as a music label.

    oh yeah, there aren't any.

    please tell me the ISBN numbers of any CDs which apple computer manufactures for sale.

    oh yeah, there aren't any.

    apple computer is not behaving as a music label. they are behaving as a website which acts as a 3rd party for music sales.

    From your link: That contract stipulated Apple Computer could use the logo for computers, data processing and telecommunications, while the Beatles could retain it for music, according to documents filed by the pop group's lawyers at the High Court.

    Apple Computer is providing a massive data processing environment (iTunes Music Store) and allows people to purchase music from -other- labels through this telecommunications link.

    Besides the fact that an incredibly common fruit, the apple, being trademarked is absurd in the first place.
  • Not Canada Yet (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nachoman ( 87476 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:27PM (#9357192)
    Now if only they would stop neglecting Canada...

    I still don't understand why they don't have iTMS in Canada yet.
  • Re:More news! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Cereal Box ( 4286 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:29PM (#9357207)
    Well really, what _is_ the difference? The argument seems to be "well if Microsoft bundles [software], whenever people think of [computing task], they will think [software] is the only way to do it because people are too lazy to download software if it's already bundled." See, for example, IE.

    It looks like the same basic thing is happening, but with iTunes instead. To however many millions of Chinese people who buy these computers, iTunes will become synonymous with "buying|playing digital music". And, since the number one online music store software will be pre-installed on their computers, they won't bother seeking alternatives, effectively allowing iTunes to monopolize (if you will) the online music market in China (at least). So... I'm not really sure why all the anti-monopoly folks on Slashdot aren't bitching and complaining about this move. Well, if Slashdot wasn't a highly hypocritical community, that is...
  • by Rikardon ( 116190 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:35PM (#9357271)
    I just discovered allofmp3.com over the weekend, thanks to others mentioning it on Slashdot, so I'm doing my part to spread the word. They have a good selection (though not as broad as Apple's), but the pricing is unbeatable -- $0.01 or $0.02 per MB.

    Best of all, the encoding is almost always selectable -- you can choose MP3 (including the LAME alt-preset settings), WMA, OGG, MP4, and a couple of others I've forgotten. You can even get the tracks lossless if you want.

    I can't remember getting this excited about an Internet site since the first time I streamed European radio via RealPlayer in 1997. Understand: I've been an AVLA-licensed DJ for 13 years. I rarely spend my own money on music; I get it all from the record companies (whose licensing terms, for DJs at least, are a lot better in Canada than they are in the States -- we can burn multiple copies for performance, are licensed to play directly from MP3, etc.), in exchange for a nominal fee. But last night I spent about US$17 and downloaded about 220 songs. About half of that was replacing CDs I've previously owned but that are now damaged or lost. Another 20% was probably old favorites from the 80s that I remember fondly but am not willing to spend a lot of money on (Sly Fox or Paul Hardcastle for example).

    Don't want to give your credit card to the Russians? Fine -- they take PayPal. I paid $10 for 1GB of download, and when it was obvious I was going to blow past that amount, I added another $10. Simple and painless.

    iTUnes and all the comparable services (PureTracks, etc.) use DRM-encumbered formats. These are unencumbered MP3s that work great on my 15GB Archos Jukebox Recorder.

    In short, allofmp3 is pretty much exactly what I've been wanting in a download service. They claim it's legal in Russia (see the site and some discussion forums), and it's legal for me to download here in Canada (heck, my wife will be burning half the music to CDs that we've paid the CRIA licensing fees for -- most of our CDs are used for backups and/or digital photos), so for as long as they're around they've got my business.
  • Re:More news! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Cereal Box ( 4286 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:40PM (#9357328)
    Monopoly on what, exactly? Just the OS itself? I fail to see how that should limit what applications go into the OS. Microsoft is a monopoly, so they shouldn't be allowed to bundle notepad or solitaire, right? See, that doesn't make any sense.

    And neither does this situation. What's the difference between Windows + Media Player (what we have now) and Windows + iTunes (which is what this bundle will create)? You're just substituting one media player for another. The net effect is the same: whichever one is bundled with Windows will end up dominating. If Microsoft isn't allowed to use its OS monopoly, then Apple shouldn't either.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:46PM (#9357384)
    well, unless you're in some kind of opposite-day mode where you consider "lies" as being true, then yes, iTunes is the World's Best Digital Music Experience. Otherwise, if you'd rather side with facts, iTunes is a bloated application which hardly stacks up against other programs like Winamp or Foobar, or several other competing applications. Apple just has always had more money to throw at their marketing to hook in people who'll follow the newest trends.
  • by phazethru ( 785978 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:51PM (#9357428)
    Probably not. The sheer number of distros would ensure that, while 'linux' may have majority market share, a single distro would never gain enough to be considered a monopoly.

    The other point that I think needs to be made is that we're talking about bundling software. If, ?somehow?, linux manages to bundle some software with a required portion of the OS (kernel wont load without mozilla, lets say) then most definitely there will be an outcry. I would expect riots, defections to *BSD, and lonely men all over the globe having nothing to do on the weekends.

    I also expect that this is why such a bundling wont happen. It's bad karma to anger your entire user base.
  • Re:More news! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Kenja ( 541830 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:51PM (#9357429)
    According to you they exist to give one and only one competitor an advantage over everyone else. In this case its Apple getting a leg up on any other music vendor. In my opinion, this is the exact opposite of what the anti trust laws where intended to do.
  • New iPod (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @12:55PM (#9357466)
    Whilst this is good news, it would be nice if in addition to the iTunes store, Apple also sped up their time to market for new iPods in the UK.

    We still have no sight of the iPod Mini and when Jobs announces a new iPod (which the rumour sites seem to think will happen - anyone got any further information?) then it'll be another six months before we can get our grubby mits on them.

    Personally, I'm going to see what the new iPod will be like before deciding whether or not to wait ...

    I am of course assuming they are going to announce one that is, however the last update was October 16th 2003, which was a fair while back now - especially in light of all the other entrants to the HD MP3 player market who are all vying for top spot.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07, 2004 @02:20PM (#9358296)
    > We'll see if they are willing to purchase music.

    I'd be seriously surprised if they are. From my relatives in China I gather that the overwhelmingly prevailing attitude is that you must be crazy to pay for something that you can copy easily. This applies for everything:, music, books, movies, software,...
  • by Espectr0 ( 577637 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @02:27PM (#9358350) Journal
    Curious, there are reports on macrumors suggesting that apple.com has been blocked to be viewed in China...
  • by N3koFever ( 777608 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @02:27PM (#9358351)
    If Apple isn't in the monopoly position when it comes to desktops how about in the MP3 player market? The masses keep buying iPods in the face of superior competition from the likes of iRiver, Rio, and even Dell for god's sake, but Apple refuse to let anyone use their proprietary DRM that they've wrapped around the AAC format except themselves. Rumours abound that MS are bringing our their own "iPod killer" but the difference is that MS will licence the DRM in their WMA format to anyone who wants it, including Apple, and have stated this in the past.
  • by ranger5 ( 745804 ) on Monday June 07, 2004 @02:31PM (#9358385)
    I can't imagine it's too far off. The folks at Apple software seem to have their fingers in the OSS candy dish as it is. I can't see them ignoring "the other white meat" too much longer. Probably, more sales of "the OS formerly known as Lindows", and the commercial Linux distros might spark some interest... OR a huge deal with a Chinese company.

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